While over on Reddit the regulars are highly offended that anyone would point out the striking similarities between their ideas and the crackpot “men’s oppression is worse than slavery” rants of War Machine, the mixed martial arts fighter and accused woman-beater is getting support from one prominent Indian MRA, Rajesh Kumar, known on Twitter as @MensMrm:
Every many will realize it- sooner than later- MMA Fighter : Men’s Oppression Is ‘Worse Than Slavery’http://t.co/qNWdc7mEZQ
— Mens Rights Movement (@MensMrm) August 23, 2014
Kumar’s Twitter account, with roughly 1600 followers including numerous well-known names in the MRM, looks to be the official account for the Men’s Rights Movement group on Facebook, a public group that boasts some 14,000 members, among them AVFM’s Paul Elam and British MRA/child prostitution apologist Tom Martin.
The link in his tweet is to a story that details the charges against War Machine, as well as his hyperbolic MRA-eqsue views, so there’s no question that Kumar knows just who he’s endorsing here.
I should add that the views they share will inevitably lead to the type of violence we’ve seen. If war machine was particularly fond of kittens (I doubt it) that similarity would not be relevant.
Why do they all write those annoying thud sentences? There should be a colon after “Conclusion”. It’s like the period is the only punctuation they know…unless it’s the double-dot ellipsis, which just looks like they’re trying to out-period us period-having feeeeemales.
Also from the comments
I didn’t know mcdonalds promoted raging misogyny and entitlement? Obviously haven’t studied their menus carefully enough.
-looks at McDonald menu-
Hmmmm. Big Alpha Mac and Female Privilege Fries. Ah, and the McMisandry Blizzards.
Could this be…a FEMINIST CONSPIRACY?
Yeah? Well, if all you do is provide a fertile petri dish for every festering human boil who thinks half the human race is comprised entirely of bitches, sluts, cunts and whores, and who thinks said half should be severely smacked down at every opportunity, it’s kind of easy to see how that would happen. If you don’t want to get blamed, don’t do blameworthy shit. It’s hardly rocket science, fellas.
Why on earth would anyone believe that this dude was an MRA??? I mean, he puts his pants on left-leg-first. We all know that MRAs put their pants on right-leg-first, or both legs at the same time. THEY ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
After a while, one starts to think that the MRAs are the world’s most organized group of trolls.
First the Men’s MRM, now the MRM movement? So, is it then the Men’s Men’s Rights Movement Movement?
Also, this might be the first time a MRA has ever said anything remotely relevant. People do look for reasons to remove a violent bully’s agency. Like, the people calling him “a psychopath”, or “crazy”. Anything to deflect attention from the fact that this man is the epitome of male entitlement, and the violence that follows when macho men like him don’t get their way.
And really, MRAs, be honest. You really wish this was legal, don’t you? You really wish War Machine would have gotten away with it, don’t you? You just don’t like that people who hold your views and act accordingly “make you feel bad” by getting caught, don’t you? Deep down, what bothers you is the fact that by locking up this “alpha male” for hospitalizing a woman, society has shown that “political correctness has gone mad”, right?
It’s too late to feign innocence, MRAs. Everybody knows what kind of people you are, and you’re not fooling anyone with all that flailing and hand-wringing. The universe is not bending according to your will, and it’s high time you stopped believing it ever will.
Men’s MRM (Men’s McDonald Rights Menu)
Or “make you look bad”, even.
Go home, Anarchonist, you’re drunk.
I think at least some of the denialism and ‘denouncing’ of assholes like War Machine is motivated not just by the urge to spin, but also a natural consequence of their viciousness and misanthropy. They hate women the most, but it’s a solid fact that most of the visible manosphere also harbours diverse flavours of bigotry and a wide-reaching general gloss of contempt for all of humanity. They tend to world views where everyone but their own selves are some combination of evil, worthless, stupid, disgusting, weak and so on. Hence they tend to be so violent and insulting.
No, see, War Machine thinks men’s oppression is worse than slavery. AVFM thinks that women enclave men.*
Two totally different philosophical stances, there.
/sarcasm
*donotlink.com link
“Enclave” = “enslave.”
Today is not my day for spelling. I think I need some more coffee.
Enclave kinda makes sense in context, like women forcing men to live in seperate areas.
Not that we do, but we don’t enslave them either, so…
TW for MRA violence: The rage-fantasy Elam writes in his “Bash a Violent Bitch” piece would quite likely result in injuries much like Mack received. And hey, at some point during what sounds like a lengthy assault, she may well have raised a hand in self defense, which in Elam’s world would make her a violent bitch deserving to be bashed.
So yeah, I don’t have any problem laying the actions of WM at their feet, even without the explicit endorsement. They create and enable guys like him every day.
It’s a classic strategy – promote things with violent rhetoric, then deny any connection to people who act on it while condoning their actions anyway.
@sparky Everyone needs more coffee.
Everyone needs McCafe Iced Misandry Mocha.
I just need Maru.
Bingo. For all their violent “I am a man!” rhetoric, MRAs are quick to distance themselves from men who actually engage in violence. Despite the fact that their wordview is strikingly similar. Some of them would probably like to do exactly what War Machine did, but are afraid of the consequences.
Guys like Paul Elam are such a cowardly lot. “Bash the violent b****! Oh, I meant it as satire…”
On a related note, this is also why privilege is so insidious. You don’t need to be actively participating in oppressive violence towards an oppressed group to be part of the oppressive group, all it takes is look in the other direction when the violence happens, and deny the one-sided nature of that violence. And then benefit from it, along with others in the oppressive group.
MARUUUUUUUUU!!!
Ahem.
Yup. If it weren’t for the pesky laws against domestic (and other) violence, these guys would all be doing just what he did. Assuming they were built like trucks on ‘roids, that is, and not like walking jellybabies, as most of them are. (But they’re steroided trucks on the inside, make no mistake about that.)
And that is why the Abusers’ Lobby is working so hard to discredit all rape claims, pretend that fathers are totally devoid of rights, etc. It’s all in order to change the laws so that they CAN do all this, with impunity.
The cowardly bullies.
AVFM’s mission statement contains this line: “We oppose all state authority over or interference in the private lives of consenting adults engaged in any form of interpersonal relationship.”
That sounds like a free pass for domestic violence to me.
It is an interesting argument for them to make. That they are all bloviators and only bloviators and have nothing in common with d00dz who walk the MRA talk.