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Are Men's Rights Activists incapable of understanding irony — or are they just pretending?

You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at the A Voice for Men store.
Goodnight, Paul! You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at A Voice for Men’s Red Pill store.

Let me take a moment to ignore my regular readers and speak directly to the Men’s Rights Activists who might be reading this blog. I suspect there are a few.

What I would like to talk to you about it ironic humor. Because, here’s the thing, sometimes people say things they don’t actually believe in order to make a little fun at the way other people see them.

When a feminist writer posts a picture of herself wearing a shirt that says “I bathe in male tears,” noting that the picture is directed at the haters who leave nasty comments on everything she writes, she is not actually announcing that she, literally or metaphorically, bathes in male tears. Nor is she saying anything about the vast, overwhelming majority of men. She is saying “fuck you, I’m on vacation” to a small subset of men. That is, those who leave nasty comments on everything she writes. You know, like she explicitly stated she was doing.

I point out what seems to me patently obvious because so many men in the so-called Men’s Rights movement continue to pretend that somehow Jessica Valenti has launched a war against all the good and honest men of the world by wearing a t-shirt that she knew might annoy a teensy tiny fraction of the douchiest of men. And when people point out that she was making an ironic joke, these dudes react as though they’ve never heard of ironic humor.

This isn’t the first time MRAs seem to have had trouble getting ironic humor. In 2012, A Voice for Men launched a campaign of defamation against a college student inspired in large part by a joke she made on Twitter declaring that her political position was “kill all men hail satan.”  AVFM’s Paul Elam presented this as proof that the young woman “hate[s] men [and] want[s] them dead or silenced or marginalized or ignored.” Not as the joke it obviously was.

But the thing is, MRAs do know what ironic humor is. Because they indulge in it themselves, all the time.

Over on AVFM, for example, the regulars jokingly refer to themselves as “kitten eaters,” presumably in an attempt to mock what they think people like me think of them.

Now, as you all presumably have figured out, I happen to be a giant fan of cats young and old, regardless of their beliefs. But I don’t for a second think that the assholes at A Voice for Men, despite being some of the worst human beings I’ve ever encountered, actually eat kittens.

I recognize that they are making a joke, albeit a poor one. Because, here’s the thing: I live in the real world, and I can distinguish between things meant seriously and things meant as a joke.

And I think most of those who continue to rail against Valenti and her eeeeevil t-shirt can tell the difference, too. They just choose not to, because they’re not looking for a reason to attack Valenti. They’re looking for an excuse.

Now, is it possible that things meant as ironic jokes can sometimes contain a kernel of truth? Well, yes, but there is no evidence that this is the case with Valenti. There’s no evidence at all that she hates men. None. Zero. Sure, she admits to being less than fond of a few men who are assholes, but that’s because they’re assholes, not because they’re men.

Indeed, in one recent column, she wrote this:

I have the most amazing men in my life. My father, who bought me chemistry sets and robots for every tea set or doll. My husband, an incredible feminist who is an equal partner in parenting and the home. My male friends, who believe that gender justice is important and worth fighting for. I don’t have a hard time finding these amazing men because – shockingly – most men are pretty cool guys.

In another recent column, she stood up for male victim of sexual blackmail online, reminding her readers that “it’s still revenge porn when the victim is a man and the picture is of his penis.”

I know, you can just SMELL THE HATRED there.

But there are some people, I will admit, who don’t do quite so well with their attempts at ironic humor. Ironically, the first people who come to mind are amongst those who profess to be the most shocked, shocked by Valenti’s t-shirt. I speak, of course, of the Misogyny Bunch over at A Voice for Men.

That picture at the top of this post? I didn’t photoshop it. Nor did I come up with that little nickname. They did. Indeed, on their online store, AVFM sells not only pillows but t-shirts, mugs, tote bags and even playing cards emblazoned with the catchphrase. No, really:

misogynybunchcards

Yes, that’s right, the guys (and gals) who are railing against Valenti’s allegedly misandrous t-shirt sell not only t-shirts but also playing cards declaring themselves misogynists.

This shouldn’t be that much of a surprise, given that the head of this little bunch, Paul Elam, posted on YouTube for years as The Happy Misogynist; he posts under his own name now, but TheHappyMisogynist is still part of the URL.

Oh, but it’s an ironic joke! They’re not really misogynists!

Well, except that they kinda are. Well, more than kinda. Unlike in the case of Valenti, there is ample evidence of real, honest-to-goodness hatred coming from this bunch. Ironically, the shirts they intend as ironic jokes aren’t ironic at all.

Proof? Look at my archives. (Well, skip those posts at the top about commemorative plates and coins.) Look at this collection of quotes from Elam – or maybe just the story he published, or the posts he’s written, offering justifications for men to beat their partners. Go to A Voice for Men and type in your favorite anti-woman slur and see just how many articles have featured those slurs, almost always in highly unironic ways. Oh, ok, I’ll do it for you: Bitch, Slut, Slattern, Whore, C*nt. My favorite one in that last group starts off memorably:

Women are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious c*nts.

Needless to say, there is no asterisk in the original.

While Valenti describes “most men” as “pretty cool guys,” Elam once suggested that

feminism, consumer products, psychology, media, advertising, politics and social custom [have] all merged into one Great Big Bitch Machine … [T]he modern female psyche is nothing more than a product of that machine … .

Last Father’s Day, Valenti wrote proudly about her feminist father. One recent Mothers Day, Elam suggested that mothers should

Place a bunch of daffodils at a dumpster near you, perhaps one in which one of you, or one of your kind, has tossed an unwanted baby, leaving it there to slowly die alone in a pile of trash.

Perhaps you could lay a single rose at the base of a bridge that has been used by a mother to throw her baby into an icy river. Perhaps you can lay it there with hands that have beaten or shaken a baby to death.

You get the idea.

There’s nothing ironic, or even particularly happy, about this man’s “happy misogyny.”

Irony, you’re doing it wrong.

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kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@GrumpyOldNurse:

Their model of human relationships can’t parse one where the feeeemale has a higher libido than the male, because in their minds women don’t actually have libidos. Sex is just something women do to get the sweet sweet wallet stuffing.

If you actually talked to them, they’d probably just call the dude lucky (after labeling you Slutty McSlutterson first, obviously). Then they’d forget all about you and continue writing screeds about how women are obligated to please their owners.

Fibinachi
10 years ago

Fortunately for us all, government exists in purity outside of the patriarchy, orbiting around in it’s own little benevolent universe.

—–

“We’ve found it!”

Triumphant, a voice rose above the din in the den. It carried a copacetic note even months of sleep deprivation and a lack of feminine support couldn’t quench.

“Look! Scanner three! It’s finally got a lock!”

Hustle over to the monochrome monitor displaying the live feed from scanner three, which was sending a frail string of static and information back from some off-the-shelf dimensional intersection.

“Is that really it? It looks so… expansionist”
“No, that’s that. Metrics match.”
“So what are we looking at here?”
I don’t know. It could be autocratic. It could be a parliamentary section. Goddammit, we could be looking at a duly elected legislative body of our peers”
Disgusting

Someone taps the monitor, a clicker clacker rythm of thoughts mixing with disgust.

“So… it’s just there? Orbiting? Pure, condensed Government?”

Someone else, a scientist with a eight month beard and a burning sensation in the back of his neck because no woman had been allowed in the compound to coo appreciatively in response to his working mastery of Manscience, tapped another dial. The monitor zoomed.

Madre de dios! IS THAT—”
“What the fuc–”
“There’s lobbyists orbiting the Government compound. They’re filing subsidization forms. How do they… how can they… oh god I can’t watch”
“Someone call the secretariat! I need someone to coo at my manliness, I can’t take it….. It’s just there! Giving out benefits! What is it, some kind of legislative singularity?!”
————–

Orion
10 years ago

I believe in sexual autocracy. Nobody gets a vote in my sex life besides me. If my sex life happens to involve other people, then it’s a treaty ratified by sovereign states.

Sexual democracy sounds like the rick santorum agenda; putting my sex life up for popular vote.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

coffee,
I honestly don’t think they think that. I think they just want to stick it to trans people any way they can.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

Thanks, kirbywarp! I thought it might be something like that. So, if women just put out to get wallet stuffing (love that term, by the way, can I please borrow it?) doesn’t that kind of make them prostitutes? or does the sanctity of marriage magically protect them from that horrid lable, because they’re selling their bodies to one paticular man? And, as we all know, a woman’s only marketable commodity is her body.

My slutty brain is now hurting from trying to fellowfeel this level of misogyny. Also, I think I may have OD’d on my own sarcasm.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

I can not thank you enough for the laughs. Between Balrogs, Brady song parodies and “I need someone to coo at my manliness” I have busted out laughing so much in this thread.

Here’s someone to coo at your manliness:
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1va7nSLjt1rt1e2eo1_500.jpg

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

@ Fibinachi – you made me giggle snort! Do you despise coffee that much, to make it go up my nose, instead of down my throat? Miscaffeiney!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

…and then I saw the website at the bottom right.

Well…poop.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Fibi, that was adorable.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

@ Lea – love the strut walk!

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

At least IB22’s nonsense has inspired some very funny snark and shirt fiction Mammotheers 🙂

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“Shirt fiction” = “short fiction.”

I swear autocorrect is making fun of me.

Fibinachi
10 years ago

Hey Lea, how’d you post that picture, code-wise? That shouldn’t be possible on this blog as an anti-troll measure (DICK PICS EVERYWHERE).

You just erh… you just broke the matrix. Kudos.

Ally S
10 years ago

@coffee

It’s because our bodies are viewed as inherently violent. No one who sees us as undeserving of using the women’s restroom actually cares about rapists getting away with their actions. We trans women are simply seen as a threat to be exterminated.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

@ sparky – I would love some shirt fiction. Do you have any in XL?

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

“We trans women are simply seen as a threat to be exterminated.”

QFT!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Grumpoldnurse,

Yep. It is not, despite what these fools believe, always the man who initiates sex. I’ve known many women over the years who were most often the instigators of sex in their relationships with men. The idea that men always want sex and women only dole it out as some sort of duty is so wrong and sad. I wonder how these people explain away lesbians?

I’m also sad for women who admit that they have sex that they do not want to have with men because they think they have to. I cannot imagine enjoying sex with a partner who would rather not have sex with me. Besides that, if you aren’t “in the mood” how hard is it for your lover to put a little effort into getting you that way? There are these things called romance, flirtation and foreplay that often awaken desire. You could give those a try if you wanted to kindle interest in sex or even just let you lover know you care. I guess when she “owes” you pleasure whatever her feelings may be, and you’re a selfish asshole, why bother?

vaiyt
10 years ago

The arrogance displayed by Insanitybytes here is typical of the liberturdian. They take their version of reality to be self-evident.

Government benefits are like someone trying to be your daddy against your will… except it isn’t, because government benefits don’t come with restrictions of freedom as a caveat. Oh, I forgot that to a liberturdian only the freedom to benefit from society while giving nothing back counts. *spit*

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Fibinachi,
I just cut and pasted it. It does not come up as a link anymore. I don’t know if that’s a glitch or if David is trying something new.

gilshalos
10 years ago

Picture links suddenly started working about a day back..Kitteh was wondering how as well.
(That is the Scots ‘how’ that acts as both ‘how’ and ‘why’)

Orion
10 years ago

Lea,

I’m not sure I’m comfortable recommend a bouquet of flowers to the manipulate asshole husbands of the world. There’s a long sad history of coercion via romantic gesture, which I find in some way creepier and more upsetting than more honest coercion.

Vaiyt,

American government benefits do often come with substantial restrictions on personal freedom. Then again, our benefits are optional. And not opt-out, but rather opt-in by doing your own research (or having a social worker tell you about the program) and then doing substantial paperwork.

DJG
DJG
10 years ago

Grumpyoldnurse/kirbywarp –

As for when husbands are/were supposed to put out for wives, that does recall to mind one of GWW’s favourites about the great petition or whatever it was to attempt to get one of the Stuart kings to close all the coffeehouses, as the men were neglecting their conjugal duties to go drink coffee together or perhaps play chess.

(I’ve wondered once or twice whether her speaking style is an attempt to be hypnotic. I remember a couple of years back seeing a programme about how someone had worked out how Agatha Christie wrote like a hypnotist, which I’d noticed without being able to label it, and now I’m getting a similar intuition about GWW.)

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

@ sparky – I would love some shirt fiction. Do you have any in XL?

Yep, here at Sparky’s Shirt Fiction Emporium, we have shirt fictions in sizes XS to 6XL in a variety of colors and styles.

Sparky’s Shirt Fiction Emporium, for all your shirt fiction needs.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: dustedeste

It kinda sounds like you get a vote, but the votes don’t necessarily all have to be “yes” to move forward with the sexytimes,

I feel like I should make a joke about the ‘penal code’ here or something.

RE: kittehserf

the “hysteria” comment aimed at LBT is skirting it.

Aw, just because I used the fainting couch? And at least she’s aiming some form of communication at me, rather than just using me as a rhetorical prop.

(Seriously, though, did she actually respond to me? I thought she just kinda responded in my general vicinity, except for when she felt like I was living evidence that the government wants everyone dependent on it.)

RE: pallygirl

I also didn’t realise that public restrooms were the key area where women and girls got sexually assaulted.

It’s true! Also, as of now, women’s restrooms have magical force fields that forbid anyone but cis women going inside them, keeping all cis women safe from any harm! This is why cis women in horror movies always flee into the bathroom to escape a male serial killer; they’re powerless against the gender force field!

If the law passes, the force field will no longer work! THINK OF THE (cis) CHILDREN!

RE: GrumpyOldNurse

The thing I don’t get about the whole you have to put out for your spouse thing is when do the het males have to put out?

Well, according to Mars and Venus in the Bedroom, women should just masturbate until they’re almost done, then just let hubby stick it in her and finish the job. (On the other hand, he never suggested men masturbate when they need it, just that women should put out because men finish faster.)

vaiyt
10 years ago

American government benefits do often come with substantial restrictions on personal freedom.

Mostly put in place not by the people fighting for them, but by assholes who don’t think the poor jump through enough hoops already.