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Are Men's Rights Activists incapable of understanding irony — or are they just pretending?

You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at the A Voice for Men store.
Goodnight, Paul! You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at A Voice for Men’s Red Pill store.

Let me take a moment to ignore my regular readers and speak directly to the Men’s Rights Activists who might be reading this blog. I suspect there are a few.

What I would like to talk to you about it ironic humor. Because, here’s the thing, sometimes people say things they don’t actually believe in order to make a little fun at the way other people see them.

When a feminist writer posts a picture of herself wearing a shirt that says “I bathe in male tears,” noting that the picture is directed at the haters who leave nasty comments on everything she writes, she is not actually announcing that she, literally or metaphorically, bathes in male tears. Nor is she saying anything about the vast, overwhelming majority of men. She is saying “fuck you, I’m on vacation” to a small subset of men. That is, those who leave nasty comments on everything she writes. You know, like she explicitly stated she was doing.

I point out what seems to me patently obvious because so many men in the so-called Men’s Rights movement continue to pretend that somehow Jessica Valenti has launched a war against all the good and honest men of the world by wearing a t-shirt that she knew might annoy a teensy tiny fraction of the douchiest of men. And when people point out that she was making an ironic joke, these dudes react as though they’ve never heard of ironic humor.

This isn’t the first time MRAs seem to have had trouble getting ironic humor. In 2012, A Voice for Men launched a campaign of defamation against a college student inspired in large part by a joke she made on Twitter declaring that her political position was “kill all men hail satan.”  AVFM’s Paul Elam presented this as proof that the young woman “hate[s] men [and] want[s] them dead or silenced or marginalized or ignored.” Not as the joke it obviously was.

But the thing is, MRAs do know what ironic humor is. Because they indulge in it themselves, all the time.

Over on AVFM, for example, the regulars jokingly refer to themselves as “kitten eaters,” presumably in an attempt to mock what they think people like me think of them.

Now, as you all presumably have figured out, I happen to be a giant fan of cats young and old, regardless of their beliefs. But I don’t for a second think that the assholes at A Voice for Men, despite being some of the worst human beings I’ve ever encountered, actually eat kittens.

I recognize that they are making a joke, albeit a poor one. Because, here’s the thing: I live in the real world, and I can distinguish between things meant seriously and things meant as a joke.

And I think most of those who continue to rail against Valenti and her eeeeevil t-shirt can tell the difference, too. They just choose not to, because they’re not looking for a reason to attack Valenti. They’re looking for an excuse.

Now, is it possible that things meant as ironic jokes can sometimes contain a kernel of truth? Well, yes, but there is no evidence that this is the case with Valenti. There’s no evidence at all that she hates men. None. Zero. Sure, she admits to being less than fond of a few men who are assholes, but that’s because they’re assholes, not because they’re men.

Indeed, in one recent column, she wrote this:

I have the most amazing men in my life. My father, who bought me chemistry sets and robots for every tea set or doll. My husband, an incredible feminist who is an equal partner in parenting and the home. My male friends, who believe that gender justice is important and worth fighting for. I don’t have a hard time finding these amazing men because – shockingly – most men are pretty cool guys.

In another recent column, she stood up for male victim of sexual blackmail online, reminding her readers that “it’s still revenge porn when the victim is a man and the picture is of his penis.”

I know, you can just SMELL THE HATRED there.

But there are some people, I will admit, who don’t do quite so well with their attempts at ironic humor. Ironically, the first people who come to mind are amongst those who profess to be the most shocked, shocked by Valenti’s t-shirt. I speak, of course, of the Misogyny Bunch over at A Voice for Men.

That picture at the top of this post? I didn’t photoshop it. Nor did I come up with that little nickname. They did. Indeed, on their online store, AVFM sells not only pillows but t-shirts, mugs, tote bags and even playing cards emblazoned with the catchphrase. No, really:

misogynybunchcards

Yes, that’s right, the guys (and gals) who are railing against Valenti’s allegedly misandrous t-shirt sell not only t-shirts but also playing cards declaring themselves misogynists.

This shouldn’t be that much of a surprise, given that the head of this little bunch, Paul Elam, posted on YouTube for years as The Happy Misogynist; he posts under his own name now, but TheHappyMisogynist is still part of the URL.

Oh, but it’s an ironic joke! They’re not really misogynists!

Well, except that they kinda are. Well, more than kinda. Unlike in the case of Valenti, there is ample evidence of real, honest-to-goodness hatred coming from this bunch. Ironically, the shirts they intend as ironic jokes aren’t ironic at all.

Proof? Look at my archives. (Well, skip those posts at the top about commemorative plates and coins.) Look at this collection of quotes from Elam – or maybe just the story he published, or the posts he’s written, offering justifications for men to beat their partners. Go to A Voice for Men and type in your favorite anti-woman slur and see just how many articles have featured those slurs, almost always in highly unironic ways. Oh, ok, I’ll do it for you: Bitch, Slut, Slattern, Whore, C*nt. My favorite one in that last group starts off memorably:

Women are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious c*nts.

Needless to say, there is no asterisk in the original.

While Valenti describes “most men” as “pretty cool guys,” Elam once suggested that

feminism, consumer products, psychology, media, advertising, politics and social custom [have] all merged into one Great Big Bitch Machine … [T]he modern female psyche is nothing more than a product of that machine … .

Last Father’s Day, Valenti wrote proudly about her feminist father. One recent Mothers Day, Elam suggested that mothers should

Place a bunch of daffodils at a dumpster near you, perhaps one in which one of you, or one of your kind, has tossed an unwanted baby, leaving it there to slowly die alone in a pile of trash.

Perhaps you could lay a single rose at the base of a bridge that has been used by a mother to throw her baby into an icy river. Perhaps you can lay it there with hands that have beaten or shaken a baby to death.

You get the idea.

There’s nothing ironic, or even particularly happy, about this man’s “happy misogyny.”

Irony, you’re doing it wrong.

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hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

LBT: She did a shitty thing to you. I’d say she should be ashamed, but I don’t think shame is in her repertoire.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Aunt Edna

By god! Sexual democracy! Somebody fetch me my fainting couch!

(Seriously though, it might have taken hubby YEARS to convince me this was a real thing, but I am so glad he finally got it through my head that no really, he didn’t want to have sex if I didn’t want to!)

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

I… don’t really like the phrase “sexual democracy”. It kinda sounds like you get a vote, but the votes don’t necessarily all have to be “yes” to move forward with the sexytimes, because afaik democracy doesn’t generally work by requiring unanimous decisions from all parties involved.

Like, I get where the phrase is going, but… it’s not far enough in the opposite direction of a dictatorship for me? I feel like there’s no form of government that works well as a metaphor for how respectful, consensual sex should work.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

It’s pretty hard to try to claim Guys Can’t Irony after watching a couple of Clark + Dawe skits, or watching an episode of Utopia or The Hollowmen.

I <3 Clarke and Dawe so much. I even got to talk to Dawe a few times last year, we caught the same train. It was before the present mob of jackasses got in, and he mentioned that he and Clarke thought they should sue 'em for theft of material – they were already becoming impossible to parody.

Yes, he used wit! Humour! Sarcasm! And he's not even Doug Dinsdale!

Ken L.
Ken L.
10 years ago

@ dustedeste

get what your saying but not many democracies have just two votes. In a two vote democracy all must be yes to move forward.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

IB seems to be another one lost in Wonderland.

Or Looking-glass country. She’s certainly of the “words mean what I want them to mean” variety.

Feminism is more powerful than Jesus now.

Checkmate, Beatles!

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
10 years ago

@Ken L.:

“In a two vote democracy all must be yes to move forward.”

And that’s so inconvenient for the D-rocks of this world. They genuinely miss the good ol’ days where there was no such thing as marital rape and women always knew their place, chained to the stove or bedposts.

It is astounding to read their comments expressing just that. This, in the 21st century America. Ugh. The mind boggles (and the shower beckons).

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

She’s done two posts on her blog based on what she says happened here, and bearing no relation to reality. Is she heading into being banned? /hopeful look

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Sadly the Dark Lord said she’s not being abusive, though I’d certainly say the “hysteria” comment aimed at LBT is skirting it.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Oh hai, inanity butt: why is it no longer lovemaking when a couple don’t want to breed? Why is it suddenly the woman being the blameworthy receptacle? Why isn’t it the man getting blamed for dumping his load? Is there no such thing as heterosexual love outside the desire to procreate? You have a fuckin’ awful view of relationships, even before the “yay the good old days” garbage.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Ah, so David’s letting her comments through for the lulz then. We need to make her dance more.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

@Ken L –

Yeah, but not all sex is two-party sex? I mean, are there no mĂ©nages Ă  trois in this land of purported sexual democracy? I mean, not that I expect people who rail against the idea of sexual democracy on the basis of “it makes women too uppity!” to recognize a threesome (or moresome) as a legitimate way to go about having sex, but I don’t really care about their opinions anyways, so.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Since the “sexual democracy” comment was a misogynist complaint that women get any say in sexual matters – in particular the right to say NO and have that respected – do we need to bother about how it would work in any other sense?

redpoppy
redpoppy
10 years ago

Inanity is lame. I come bringing more entertaining gifts!

http://blog.theanimalrescuesite.com/catguide/

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

I love Cole the Black Cat’s videos! 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Is Inanity claiming one of us called her crazy? Since we don’t do that here and I never saw someone call her that, I’m calling bullshit. I’d say her credibility was shot if it wasn’t already.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

I’m not really that invested in the topic, tbh, but I don’t see why it’s an issue to say that I’m not terribly fond of the phrase and why that is. I didn’t think that it would be a problem, given that the rest of this thread is basically Inanity, but I don’t need to have a conversation about it if it’s bothering anyone.

Ken L.
Ken L.
10 years ago

@ dustedeste

I with you again but for what I took for the other post was this was specifically about martial sex or plain old two person sex. None of the adventurous stuff.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Wait, she has a blog. Isn’t that a job? If she’s blogging, she’s not child rearing, or fetching her hubby’s slippers or cooking his dinner. That’s a dirty feminist sin. What is she gonna tell God? Or, um, Serrena Joy — her obvious role model.

OK, seriously, though, she’s probably one of the more crappy writers in trolldom here. If she’s reading this, I need to tell her — the world will not suffer if you decide to not share your, um, work. Seriously.

redpoppy
redpoppy
10 years ago

kittehserf, that was the first one I saw but I had heard of them before. Super cute!

Yeah.. no one here called her “crazy.” We call people boring, dumb, obtuse, jerks, assholes but not “crazy.”

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

For someone who says she values debate and critical thinking, Inanity displayed neither a willingness to debate–forget answering direct questions–nor critical thinking. She’s completely full of shit..

Oh noes, a two-dot MRA ellipsis! You have been infected! More brain bleach STAT!

Ahem. All kidding aside, yeah. She IS full of shit. Just like that non-gendered thing she emphatically doesn’t identify as being, which somehow equals misogyny if we call her that for being one!

Words. What do they even mean?

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

For more adorableness:

(Same cats as redpoppy’s link above.)

They remind me a lot of my babies.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

Forgot to add link:

Ken L.
Ken L.
10 years ago

@redpoppy

Oh she crazy alright but not like mentally ill crazy. Like the guy I saw on the world record show eating light candles… wait I take it back she is just stupid.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Bina: Oh, no! Antidote, please!

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