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Are Men's Rights Activists incapable of understanding irony — or are they just pretending?

You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at the A Voice for Men store.
Goodnight, Paul! You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at A Voice for Men’s Red Pill store.

Let me take a moment to ignore my regular readers and speak directly to the Men’s Rights Activists who might be reading this blog. I suspect there are a few.

What I would like to talk to you about it ironic humor. Because, here’s the thing, sometimes people say things they don’t actually believe in order to make a little fun at the way other people see them.

When a feminist writer posts a picture of herself wearing a shirt that says “I bathe in male tears,” noting that the picture is directed at the haters who leave nasty comments on everything she writes, she is not actually announcing that she, literally or metaphorically, bathes in male tears. Nor is she saying anything about the vast, overwhelming majority of men. She is saying “fuck you, I’m on vacation” to a small subset of men. That is, those who leave nasty comments on everything she writes. You know, like she explicitly stated she was doing.

I point out what seems to me patently obvious because so many men in the so-called Men’s Rights movement continue to pretend that somehow Jessica Valenti has launched a war against all the good and honest men of the world by wearing a t-shirt that she knew might annoy a teensy tiny fraction of the douchiest of men. And when people point out that she was making an ironic joke, these dudes react as though they’ve never heard of ironic humor.

This isn’t the first time MRAs seem to have had trouble getting ironic humor. In 2012, A Voice for Men launched a campaign of defamation against a college student inspired in large part by a joke she made on Twitter declaring that her political position was “kill all men hail satan.”  AVFM’s Paul Elam presented this as proof that the young woman “hate[s] men [and] want[s] them dead or silenced or marginalized or ignored.” Not as the joke it obviously was.

But the thing is, MRAs do know what ironic humor is. Because they indulge in it themselves, all the time.

Over on AVFM, for example, the regulars jokingly refer to themselves as “kitten eaters,” presumably in an attempt to mock what they think people like me think of them.

Now, as you all presumably have figured out, I happen to be a giant fan of cats young and old, regardless of their beliefs. But I don’t for a second think that the assholes at A Voice for Men, despite being some of the worst human beings I’ve ever encountered, actually eat kittens.

I recognize that they are making a joke, albeit a poor one. Because, here’s the thing: I live in the real world, and I can distinguish between things meant seriously and things meant as a joke.

And I think most of those who continue to rail against Valenti and her eeeeevil t-shirt can tell the difference, too. They just choose not to, because they’re not looking for a reason to attack Valenti. They’re looking for an excuse.

Now, is it possible that things meant as ironic jokes can sometimes contain a kernel of truth? Well, yes, but there is no evidence that this is the case with Valenti. There’s no evidence at all that she hates men. None. Zero. Sure, she admits to being less than fond of a few men who are assholes, but that’s because they’re assholes, not because they’re men.

Indeed, in one recent column, she wrote this:

I have the most amazing men in my life. My father, who bought me chemistry sets and robots for every tea set or doll. My husband, an incredible feminist who is an equal partner in parenting and the home. My male friends, who believe that gender justice is important and worth fighting for. I don’t have a hard time finding these amazing men because – shockingly – most men are pretty cool guys.

In another recent column, she stood up for male victim of sexual blackmail online, reminding her readers that “it’s still revenge porn when the victim is a man and the picture is of his penis.”

I know, you can just SMELL THE HATRED there.

But there are some people, I will admit, who don’t do quite so well with their attempts at ironic humor. Ironically, the first people who come to mind are amongst those who profess to be the most shocked, shocked by Valenti’s t-shirt. I speak, of course, of the Misogyny Bunch over at A Voice for Men.

That picture at the top of this post? I didn’t photoshop it. Nor did I come up with that little nickname. They did. Indeed, on their online store, AVFM sells not only pillows but t-shirts, mugs, tote bags and even playing cards emblazoned with the catchphrase. No, really:

misogynybunchcards

Yes, that’s right, the guys (and gals) who are railing against Valenti’s allegedly misandrous t-shirt sell not only t-shirts but also playing cards declaring themselves misogynists.

This shouldn’t be that much of a surprise, given that the head of this little bunch, Paul Elam, posted on YouTube for years as The Happy Misogynist; he posts under his own name now, but TheHappyMisogynist is still part of the URL.

Oh, but it’s an ironic joke! They’re not really misogynists!

Well, except that they kinda are. Well, more than kinda. Unlike in the case of Valenti, there is ample evidence of real, honest-to-goodness hatred coming from this bunch. Ironically, the shirts they intend as ironic jokes aren’t ironic at all.

Proof? Look at my archives. (Well, skip those posts at the top about commemorative plates and coins.) Look at this collection of quotes from Elam – or maybe just the story he published, or the posts he’s written, offering justifications for men to beat their partners. Go to A Voice for Men and type in your favorite anti-woman slur and see just how many articles have featured those slurs, almost always in highly unironic ways. Oh, ok, I’ll do it for you: Bitch, Slut, Slattern, Whore, C*nt. My favorite one in that last group starts off memorably:

Women are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious c*nts.

Needless to say, there is no asterisk in the original.

While Valenti describes “most men” as “pretty cool guys,” Elam once suggested that

feminism, consumer products, psychology, media, advertising, politics and social custom [have] all merged into one Great Big Bitch Machine … [T]he modern female psyche is nothing more than a product of that machine … .

Last Father’s Day, Valenti wrote proudly about her feminist father. One recent Mothers Day, Elam suggested that mothers should

Place a bunch of daffodils at a dumpster near you, perhaps one in which one of you, or one of your kind, has tossed an unwanted baby, leaving it there to slowly die alone in a pile of trash.

Perhaps you could lay a single rose at the base of a bridge that has been used by a mother to throw her baby into an icy river. Perhaps you can lay it there with hands that have beaten or shaken a baby to death.

You get the idea.

There’s nothing ironic, or even particularly happy, about this man’s “happy misogyny.”

Irony, you’re doing it wrong.

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wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

If you want to see patriarchy at its “best” look no further than the Christian Patriarchy movement. They support patriarchy and believe women should be submissive to their fathers and husbands, but they also believe that men should look out for their families. Surely there isn’t…

Woops, two of the leaders of Christian Patriarchy are sexual abusers/rapists (I’m not sure if Gothard has been accused of rape–he has a pattern of sexual harassment and assault, but I can’t remember the details.)

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/ (Gothard’s victims)

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-leader-sued-sexual-battery-treating-young-follower-personal-sex-object

It’s like fallible humans, especially fallible humans given power over others, especially fallible humans with power over others with no earthly checks and balances, will tend to abuse and exploit those under their power.

I also get the sense that in patriarchy, the leaders may talk a good game about mutuality and protection, but they won’t do anything to actually help the women in their lives, and the women shoulder all the blame. Patriarchy for women: all the responsibility, none of the power.

HAHAHA Fuck you if you think I should be forced into that.

Bina
10 years ago

Fortunately for us all, government exists in purity outside of the patriarchy, orbiting around in it’s own little benevolent universe.

That should be its, no apostrophe. I know you’re off in your own little benevolent-patriarchal universe and all, but the laws of grammar still apply to you, O Special Snowflake.

And really: If you’re going to serve up a word salad in the interests of deliberately misconstruing everything everyone ever says here, would you please be so good as to throw in some word soup and a word sandwich? There are people starving out here in the cold hard non-patriarchal non-benevolent universe, you know.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

I just noticed on their stupid pillow that it reads, “The AVFM: Humanist Counter Theory.”

They’ve got to be fucking kidding. Though, if you already hate feminism, that sounds less unsettling than “raging sexist assholes.” It’s easier to convince yourself you’re not a bad guy when you creatively rename bad shit like the Republican Party. For example, it’s the pro-life movement, and for some reason not the Anti-Sex League of Fanatics Who Love Fetuses But Hate Everyone Else Who Has Already Been Born and isn’t Rich, White, Straight and Christian.

Nequam
Nequam
10 years ago

Amusing diversion: The Alpha Betta

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

What is their counter theory? Is that Farrell’s book “the myth of male power”? And if they’re activists, why are they so focussed on “theory”? If they’re theorists, where are their peer reviewed articles in respected journals?

AVfM: more like a circus show than activism or theorising.

redpoppy
redpoppy
10 years ago

Brain bleach break: The Furrinati Overlords are manipulating us with their endless love and devotion.

http://lovemeow.com/2014/06/cats-love-their-humans/

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

@Pallygirl who posted: “What is their counter theory?”

It’s hard to tell. Some of them think we’re already living in a matriarchal society and that men can be thrown into jail for being politically incorrect or asking a woman out for a coffee date.
So they fancy themselves as a cure for the (cue sarcasm) out of control feminism that’s taken over the world.
Their alleged “counter theories” only make sense if you happen to be living in a parallel dimension where men are kept in cages and women live in Amazon type tribes.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Ah, silly me, I was using “theory” in the scientific meaning. /facepalm

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Yeah. The only science they use is pop Darwinism and other brances of BioTroofs. You know, non Academic, non peer reviewed shit that upholds the patriarchy. They like Freud, though. The idea of women being castrated men really gets them off.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

I love snowflakes and Honey Badgers
http://youtu.be/Mo9G9RQbrbo
http://youtu.be/4r7wHMg5Yjg

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Aww, I was right. IB22 did run off and right a blog post about how mean everyone was. To save the clicking, it was titled “Dispelling Myths,” and was basically her responding to a bunch of accusations like “you think women are inferior” (yes! especially in the opening jars department (very little sarcasm I could detect (nested parenthesis! (we must go deeper) wait, hang on (*rumble* (oh my god, we delved too deep! nooo (BALROG)) *run run run* ) what have we unleashed?) (you shall not pass (RAARGH) fly you fools) GANDALF!) (nooooo!)), “you’re crazy” and “you’re a troll.”

Huh. That was weird.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: NonServiam

Argh, people who get pushy about “caring” for you like that are just awful.

Yeah, she didn’t actually want to care for me. She wanted me to be a doll for her. Good luck with that, lady. At the time, I thought I was being paranoid for vamoosing out the dorm without any warning, but oh man that was a smart move.

RE: Robert

One aspect of my marriage that might give pause to some people is that my husband has access to my bank account. I do not have access to his.

…I was about to say, “Yike, that sounds awful!” until I realized that I set the budget for the system and am able to veto any expenditure of over $20. (And most system members ask my okay even for smaller ones, unless it’s something truly trivial.) But we’re a weird case.

RE: insanitybytes22

Ah, I see. You’re not actually going to give me your answer about what I would do in your ideal world. Good to know. So you’re willing to use me as a tool to push your own argument, unwilling to notice how much that pissed me off, but you originally claimed to be speaking for poor and working-class people. Uh huh. You’re just here to troll, aren’t you?

Can we give this lady the Woody challenge? She’s both boring AND irritating me. (I am NOT her puppet, thanks. I did not appreciate having her metaphorical hand up my ass.)

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I see IB as the female equivalent of Mike Buchanan – the only thing missing at this point is her setting “challenges” for David. She is trying to use this blog to drive traffic to her blog.

And for the person who comes here with myths, refuses to engage, and then to create a post on her blog entitled “Dispelling Myths”, that’s pretty crass behaviour.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Wow, my spelling is all kinds of terrible today… *write, obviously.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

For someone who says she values debate and critical thinking, Inanity displayed neither a willingness to debate–forget answering direct questions–nor critical thinking. She’s completely full of shit..

Ken L.
10 years ago

I just wanted to say how much that pillow reminded my that I can’t stand GWW. Hearing about her actually was how I found out about MRM at all. But I mean it that old saying if you looked smugness up in the dictionary there would be her picture.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Did IB inform her readers that she’s refusing to actually engage in an honest debate with us?

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Cat gifs: I saw this on the Internet today. Sometimes I <3 the Internet.

Aww, I was right. IB22 did run off and right a blog post about how mean everyone was. To save the clicking, it was titled “Dispelling Myths,” and was basically her responding to a bunch of accusations like “you think women are inferior” (yes! especially in the opening jars department (very little sarcasm I could detect

Now, why couldn’t she just say she thinks that women need the “protection” of men and shouldn’t be allowed to have a career, or vote, or get an education, or anything like that because she thinks women are inferior? It would’ve cut down on a shit-ton of nonsense if she’d just come out and said that.

Oh, and, cosmicrays & knightrunnermra, thanks for dropping by and proving David’s point. And knightrunnermra, if you want to keep hate-donating(?) money to We Hunted the Mammoth, I’m pretty sure David wouldn’t object to that. (I can’t speak for the man, of course, even though we are all David).

thebewilderness
10 years ago

I feel bad for people who think they are clever and their friends don’t like them enough to tell them they are mistaken.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Sparky: If she came out and said what she thinks, she wouldn’t get the joy of hauling herself up on her cross and telling us we’re mean meanypants who put words in her mouth.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

@thebewilderness: except the reason that some of them are her friends is that they’re not clever either.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: hellkell

The lady took my struggles with poverty, homelessness, and disability, and used it to soapbox about how the government forced me to be dependent! She needs to get off the cross; I need the wood!

strivingally
10 years ago

On a side note, here’s how you do ironic humour:

We didn’t wanna do this but the Feminist Gaming Illuminati had a meeting & we’re taking your games away until you can be decent human beings— Feminist Frequency (@femfreq) August 19, 2014

(for anybody unaware of the context, that’s Anita Sarkeesian, the woman who was on the receiving end of an onslaught of hatred for the unforgivable crime of pointing out that there’s a lot of sexism in videogames, which for some reason a bunch of entitled jackasses misinterpreted/mischaracterised as her wanting to abolish all games that didn’t meet her standards for inclusiveness – which she’s clearly mocking here)

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
10 years ago

@wordsp1nner:

“If you want to see patriarchy at its “best” look no further than the Christian Patriarchy movement. They support patriarchy and believe women should be submissive to their fathers and husbands,

(…) the women shoulder all the blame. Patriarchy for women: all the responsibility, none of the power.”

Yup. Speaking of the devil, Dalrock provides plenty of evidence for just that: it illuminates the sexual perversity and massive power trip that is Christian Patriarchy so well. Reading that blog has the effect of inducing a compulsion to shower repeatedly afterwards.

Here’s the latest comment on the subject of “Corrupted purity” (but of course*) from “Sarah:”

Sarah says:
August 19, 2014 at 8:55 pm

“This be the problem. Sex has become a democracy. In marriage a woman is supposed to serve her husbands needs. It isn’t difficult to do but now a woman is considered oppressed for giving him sex when she isn’t in the mood. It is surprising that Christian women are acting this way. Feminism is more powerful than Jesus now.

Sexual morality needs to be taught to everyone not just Christians. This “do what ya like culture” needs to end now.”
http://www.donotlink.com/b86t

Nobody does sexual perversion like teh religious. They have a knack for it, along with awesome-sounding “holy” rationalizations.

*Just another opportunity for the sex-obsessed D-rock and his deranged followers to gang up on, slut-shame, and otherwise abuse a random woman who shared her private life on the web.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

IB, dispelling myths, you’re doing it wrong: http://www.donotlink.com/framed?523830

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