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Are Men's Rights Activists incapable of understanding irony — or are they just pretending?

You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at the A Voice for Men store.
Goodnight, Paul! You can buy your own Misogyny Bunch pillow for only $19.19 at A Voice for Men’s Red Pill store.

Let me take a moment to ignore my regular readers and speak directly to the Men’s Rights Activists who might be reading this blog. I suspect there are a few.

What I would like to talk to you about it ironic humor. Because, here’s the thing, sometimes people say things they don’t actually believe in order to make a little fun at the way other people see them.

When a feminist writer posts a picture of herself wearing a shirt that says “I bathe in male tears,” noting that the picture is directed at the haters who leave nasty comments on everything she writes, she is not actually announcing that she, literally or metaphorically, bathes in male tears. Nor is she saying anything about the vast, overwhelming majority of men. She is saying “fuck you, I’m on vacation” to a small subset of men. That is, those who leave nasty comments on everything she writes. You know, like she explicitly stated she was doing.

I point out what seems to me patently obvious because so many men in the so-called Men’s Rights movement continue to pretend that somehow Jessica Valenti has launched a war against all the good and honest men of the world by wearing a t-shirt that she knew might annoy a teensy tiny fraction of the douchiest of men. And when people point out that she was making an ironic joke, these dudes react as though they’ve never heard of ironic humor.

This isn’t the first time MRAs seem to have had trouble getting ironic humor. In 2012, A Voice for Men launched a campaign of defamation against a college student inspired in large part by a joke she made on Twitter declaring that her political position was “kill all men hail satan.”  AVFM’s Paul Elam presented this as proof that the young woman “hate[s] men [and] want[s] them dead or silenced or marginalized or ignored.” Not as the joke it obviously was.

But the thing is, MRAs do know what ironic humor is. Because they indulge in it themselves, all the time.

Over on AVFM, for example, the regulars jokingly refer to themselves as “kitten eaters,” presumably in an attempt to mock what they think people like me think of them.

Now, as you all presumably have figured out, I happen to be a giant fan of cats young and old, regardless of their beliefs. But I don’t for a second think that the assholes at A Voice for Men, despite being some of the worst human beings I’ve ever encountered, actually eat kittens.

I recognize that they are making a joke, albeit a poor one. Because, here’s the thing: I live in the real world, and I can distinguish between things meant seriously and things meant as a joke.

And I think most of those who continue to rail against Valenti and her eeeeevil t-shirt can tell the difference, too. They just choose not to, because they’re not looking for a reason to attack Valenti. They’re looking for an excuse.

Now, is it possible that things meant as ironic jokes can sometimes contain a kernel of truth? Well, yes, but there is no evidence that this is the case with Valenti. There’s no evidence at all that she hates men. None. Zero. Sure, she admits to being less than fond of a few men who are assholes, but that’s because they’re assholes, not because they’re men.

Indeed, in one recent column, she wrote this:

I have the most amazing men in my life. My father, who bought me chemistry sets and robots for every tea set or doll. My husband, an incredible feminist who is an equal partner in parenting and the home. My male friends, who believe that gender justice is important and worth fighting for. I don’t have a hard time finding these amazing men because – shockingly – most men are pretty cool guys.

In another recent column, she stood up for male victim of sexual blackmail online, reminding her readers that “it’s still revenge porn when the victim is a man and the picture is of his penis.”

I know, you can just SMELL THE HATRED there.

But there are some people, I will admit, who don’t do quite so well with their attempts at ironic humor. Ironically, the first people who come to mind are amongst those who profess to be the most shocked, shocked by Valenti’s t-shirt. I speak, of course, of the Misogyny Bunch over at A Voice for Men.

That picture at the top of this post? I didn’t photoshop it. Nor did I come up with that little nickname. They did. Indeed, on their online store, AVFM sells not only pillows but t-shirts, mugs, tote bags and even playing cards emblazoned with the catchphrase. No, really:

misogynybunchcards

Yes, that’s right, the guys (and gals) who are railing against Valenti’s allegedly misandrous t-shirt sell not only t-shirts but also playing cards declaring themselves misogynists.

This shouldn’t be that much of a surprise, given that the head of this little bunch, Paul Elam, posted on YouTube for years as The Happy Misogynist; he posts under his own name now, but TheHappyMisogynist is still part of the URL.

Oh, but it’s an ironic joke! They’re not really misogynists!

Well, except that they kinda are. Well, more than kinda. Unlike in the case of Valenti, there is ample evidence of real, honest-to-goodness hatred coming from this bunch. Ironically, the shirts they intend as ironic jokes aren’t ironic at all.

Proof? Look at my archives. (Well, skip those posts at the top about commemorative plates and coins.) Look at this collection of quotes from Elam – or maybe just the story he published, or the posts he’s written, offering justifications for men to beat their partners. Go to A Voice for Men and type in your favorite anti-woman slur and see just how many articles have featured those slurs, almost always in highly unironic ways. Oh, ok, I’ll do it for you: Bitch, Slut, Slattern, Whore, C*nt. My favorite one in that last group starts off memorably:

Women are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious c*nts.

Needless to say, there is no asterisk in the original.

While Valenti describes “most men” as “pretty cool guys,” Elam once suggested that

feminism, consumer products, psychology, media, advertising, politics and social custom [have] all merged into one Great Big Bitch Machine … [T]he modern female psyche is nothing more than a product of that machine … .

Last Father’s Day, Valenti wrote proudly about her feminist father. One recent Mothers Day, Elam suggested that mothers should

Place a bunch of daffodils at a dumpster near you, perhaps one in which one of you, or one of your kind, has tossed an unwanted baby, leaving it there to slowly die alone in a pile of trash.

Perhaps you could lay a single rose at the base of a bridge that has been used by a mother to throw her baby into an icy river. Perhaps you can lay it there with hands that have beaten or shaken a baby to death.

You get the idea.

There’s nothing ironic, or even particularly happy, about this man’s “happy misogyny.”

Irony, you’re doing it wrong.

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Johanna Roberts
10 years ago

Don’t blame them for not getting it. I’m pretty sure they learned all about Irony from Alanis Morissette.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I believe they’ve officially been hoisted on their own petard.

limesweet
limesweet
10 years ago

I think there’s something wrong with those playing cards, the description says there are only two jokers?

thewatchingdog
thewatchingdog
10 years ago

The online store was new to me..they cant deny there hate speech and actions in any credible way ..so the only viable PR is maybe to try some twisted spin on reappropriation..”sure we’re hateful misogynists..but we’re Mis-ogynists!..*the Brady bunch la-la-la..* trying mainstream/minimize..I feel like at the core the leadership just wants to hurt woman..and the donations really give him the peace of mind that comes from a lawyer always available..

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Who told them this was funny? That person is not their friend.

Ivy Shoots (@IvyShoots)

Here’s the story of some scheming ladies
Who pandered to misogynists for cash.
All of them had paypal accounts for donations,
Their Sisters they did trash.

Here’s the story, of a man named Elam,
Who was busy with some shitlords of his own,
They were grifters with an internet hate site,
Bemoaning the Friend Zone.

Till the one day when these ladies and these fellows
Were exposed for what they were by Dave Futrelle,
And mocked for their inactive activism,
That’s the way AVfM was shot to hell.

The Misogynist Bunch,
The Misogynist Bunch,
That’s the way he destroyed the Misogynist Bunch.

Luzbelitx
10 years ago

They seem to use for “irony” the same definition they use for “reasoning”: “something that I do and feminists don’t”.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE MRM

When crafting images meant as self-deprecating absurd humor, make sure to choose something that is actually absurd. If your images could easily have been created seriously by your opponents, avoid it.

THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
10 years ago

Oh god, yes! I can’t tell how many times I’ve felt like adding a disclaimer in my posts about ironic humor or sarcasm content. Because there are people out there who aren’t actually incapable of understanding ironic humor and sarcasm, it’s just that they choose not to under certain circumstances.

The pretense of caring about men’s issues is an act, a thought experiment to these fuckers. They aren’t outraged at the supposed injustices men face in today’s society, they’re only interested in expressing their outrage over a woman daring to make fun of them and their manly man-logicked beliefs.

The whole boxers-in-a-knot over an obviously ironic statement is not due to the content of the statement; it’s the statement itself that is the problem*. MRAs are people who take themselves very,very seriously, and they are also misogynists who truly feel woman should be in a subservient position to men. Not being taken seriously, and worst of all, not being taken seriously by a mere woman is the epitome of horror for these men, who know nothing about suffering outside the tiny little bruises on their tiny little egos. That is why they try to shakily draw an equivalency between a woman fearing to be killed and a man fearing to be laughed at: they’re trying to stay relevant and pretend to have pressing matters to discuss when all they have to talk about is how unfair it is that women are allowed to express how comical they view these men.

But just to prove they never had any problems to understand that they were being ridiculed, they sometimes make sorry attempts at gotchas and “turning the tables”. It’s too bad, then, that a lack of wittiness is one of the key features of MRAs.

*On a similar note, MRAs are more outraged about somebody speaking up about an injustice than they are about the injustice being there in the first place. Which is why they make the worst activists.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

I’m giggling too hard at that pillow. First off, can you imagine some manly dude bemoaning the loss of the good old days of uber-manliness and the feminization of society going out and buying a kitschy little pillow?

Also… I don’t think it’s the best idea to put your face on a pillow. Pillows travel many places in their lifetimes, not all of them the small of the back. Stick to the playing cards.

jbgarner58
10 years ago

Hopefully this might break through to some of those MRAs who read this. Sometimes the light of truth can crack through the shell of self-delusion.

Kevin K
Kevin K
10 years ago

Look on the bright side. At least we know where the psychopaths are. Easier to keep an eye on them. And much harder for them to actually make good on their threats of real violence.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
10 years ago

As an aside, I don’t think I would sleep well with Paul Elam, GWW and company staring at the back of my head anyway.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

This shouldn’t be that much of a surprise, given that the head of this little bunch, Paul Elam, posted on YouTube for years as The Happy Misogynist; he posts under his own name now, but TheHappyMisogynist is still part of the URL.

Lemme guess: It’s not the “misogynist” that’s actually ironic, but the “happy”. I’ve never seen this man wearing a genuine smile. Only the creepiest of smirks.

If that’s not ironic, I don’t know what is.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

The Misogynist Bunch pillow: Ironically, the only way MRAs will ever get anyone to drool over them.

Amused
10 years ago

But … aren’t pillows misandry? Her Royal Canadian Majesty Judgybitch has told us that. Maybe that’s the real irony here? If we define irony really broadly, that is. Or maybe a man could tolerate a pillow if there was the word “misogyny” on the cover, plus Elam ‘ blessed image? I’m confused.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
10 years ago

@Bina:

Ba-dum-tssshhh!

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
10 years ago

Blackadder was mentioned recently, so it must be said:

“Baldrick, you don’t know what ‘irony’ is, do you?”

“Of course I do. It’s like goldy or bronzy, only made of iron.”

freemage
freemage
10 years ago

My inner twelve-year-old can’t stop trying to think of good uses for that pillow. “Flatulence absorber” is top of the list so far.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Add irony to the list of things they don’t get.

SHUT UP, WOODY.

leftwingfox
10 years ago

To paraphrase Al King;

If the didn’t have misunderstanding, they wouldn’t have no understanding at all.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

So it’s a convenient way to announce to whoever is sitting next to you on the plane that you’re an asshole and they don’t want to talk to you? They should make backpacks too, and lunchboxes for the junior misogynists on Reddit.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

Poor little cognitive dissonance fairies…

Shadow
Shadow
10 years ago

Another clear win for AVfM PR!!! Also, who’s the chappy in the bottom right?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I don’t know bottom left person with glasses or the redhead directly above either.

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