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Men's Rights Redditors agree: "It was empathy not misogyny that kept women from having careers."

Girl totally protected from the harsh world of work by nice men.
Girl totally protected from the harsh world of work by nice men.

Once upon a time, you may recall, women were denied the right to vote, couldn’t own property, were prevented from having careers of their own. Well, it turns out that all of these pesky “restrictions” weren’t really restrictions at all! They were protections that men provided women out of the goodness of their hearts. Men protected women from the terrible burdens of voting and property-owning and so forth, because they just cared about women so much.

Or at least that’s what a lot of Men’s Rights Activists seem to think, judging from this highly edifying discussion in the Men’s Rights subreddit.

rogersmith25 325 points 1 day ago  As I read /r/mensrights[1] more and more, it is becoming increasingly clear to me that the primary female privilege is empathy.  If a woman or girl is hurt, people care. If women are kidnapped, there is international media attention. If women are killed, their deaths are highlighted. If there is a conflict between a man and a woman, then people will jump in to defend the woman. If women are under-represented in an area, people want to take action to make things "equal".  If a man is hurt, it's funny. If men are kidnapped, we hear silence. If men are killed, their deaths are glossed over. If there is a conflict between a man and a woman, people will attack the man. If men are under-represented in an area, the president will call it a "victory" (as he did regarding the female majority in colleges).  Basically, people are programmed to have more empathy for women than men. 200 years ago, that empathy manifested itself in keeping women safe from harm by having them stay home to raise the family rather than die on battlefields or toil in mines. It was empathy not misogyny that kept women from having careers. Present-day, work is safe in offices, so today we have campaigns for women to earn more money and yet have more "balanced" lives where they can both raise a family and earn an "equal" career and, in other words, "have it all".      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]sierranevadamike 82 points 23 hours ago  wow... as a history major, I never looked at the "repression" of women throughout history as empathy rather than misogyny. I NEVER considered this option..  blew my mind..  thank youDroppaMaPants 45 points 22 hours ago  Restricting women to vote, hold property, etc. etc. would be a downside to the bad old days - but women always had empathy as a benefit.  Now that the bad old days are behind us, women maintained their old privilege and now hold disproportionate sway over men because of it.

 

It wasn’t just sierranevadamike who was “blown away” by rogersmith25’s comment: the Men’s Rights mods were so impressed that they reposted it and pinned it as the top post in their subreddit.

Apparently every day is “Opposite Day” on the Men’s Rights subreddit.

EDIT: Here, courtesy of Cloudiah, some more pictures of girls and women protected from that big nasty world out there.

 

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Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Nevermind. she’s heard of it and she’s not playing them, she’s watching them on markiplayer.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The Orphanage, btw, isn’t gory at all. Another similarly child-focused and not gory (the poster is misleading, the movie is almost entirely psychological) movie that’s worth checking out is A Tale of Two Sisters.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365376/

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

CassandraKitty
Ok I wrote those titles down so I’ll check them out later. Thanks!

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

@fruitloopsie– I’ve never played Silent Hill but I have watched others play it. And HOLY FUCK it scared the bejeezus outta me. It’s terrifying in a more subtle way I think. And it sticks with you.

I also love horror movies and am always looking for recs! I saw a really good Korean one years ago. It was called “A Tale of Two Sisters.” It was pretty cool.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Ugh I just remember the movies: The Purge and Sharknado
I lost faith in Hollywood

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: frootloopsie

I swear that the silent hill games are becoming more ‘dirty’ with its strong language and sexual themes.

Uh, I dunno, Silent Hill 2 was basically all about repressed sexual urges, what with the nurses and the mannequins and Pyramid Head and all…

Five Nights at Freddy’s has no gore, sex, or swearing whatsoever! Everything is entirely through implication. Other horror games you might enjoy include Amnesia: The Dark Descent (you wake up in a creepy house with no memory, just a note from your future self saying, “You have to trust me, I erased our memories for a good reason, now GO KILL THIS DUDE”) and Corpse Party (kids trapped in a decaying school filled with dead people; warning, uber-bleak).

Regarding horror MOVIES, Sneak and Gigs swear by Coraline. Mama is very flawed, but doesn’t have any sex or swearing and I could stand the gore. And of course, you’ve got the old classic, the Haunting. (Not the remake. That one’s terrible.)

RE: cassandrakitty

<em.Sexualized gore, though? Nope nope nope.

EW. Do not want!

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

I couldn’t take the Purge seriously. Due to ED history, I thought of something VERY different when all the creepy yuppie delinquents are crying, “WE MUST PURGE!”

It’s like, not here on the carpet, guys!

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

The Orphanage is amazing. I need to see it again. The Devil’s Backbone is another great Spanish horror movie.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Goddammit, I hadn’t screwed up a single tag in years, and now I bungle two.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I’ve never played Silent Hill but need to. I love the movie.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Red poppy
There’s also Fatal Frame series about girls who find a special camera that exorcises ghosts and solves mysteries in haunted areas.

Obscure is something to check out too. But it does have some issues like weird dialogue and the characters are kinda forgettable but the soundtrack is awesome!
http://youtu.be/K9nQAbGmsEE

illBleed is I think a satire of horror games.
http://youtu.be/yFPiKgjW7L4

I never played any of these games but I think I like to play some of them.

I think I found some new ideas for the Miss Andry Issue. Female protagonists, top characters and programmers. this is going to be great.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Sorry I forgot to put a trigger warning with the illbleed trailer. Gore, scary images and wierdness.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

@fruitloopsie– My friend really loves the Fatal Frame series. I’ll have to check it out since I like the vidja games.

I watch a lot of anime and I found Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) to be pretty terrifying as well. A lot of high emotions and drama in that show. I really liked it.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: fruitloopsie

Female protagonists, top characters and programmers.

Roberta Williams! Roberta Williams, Roberta Williams, ROBERTA WILLIAMS! 8D Queen of my childhood! Ruler of 90s point-and-click adventure games! Maker of the Dark Crystal computer game!

Rooooobertaaaaa Willlllliammmmsssss!

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Hey David could we please have a new thread on horror theme games, movies, etc? If it’s not too much trouble.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

LBT
Lol I’m guessing you like Roberta Williams? Ok I’ll be sure to put her in the magazine right after I finish the upcoming issues on Feminist Borg. I’ll go as fast as I can! 😀

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

Fruitloopsie:

I also like to play Rule of Rose and Fran Bow someday. That has little kids in them

Be wary of Rule of Rose, it’s a really good horror game, but it’s strangely sexualized. Nothing blatant, but the general theme. Hard to explain without giving stuff away or using trigger warnings.

Pallygirl

That’s right, because all the men will fend for themselves and not get help from other men when a gang (i.e. multiple people) attack them. Because we all know that when male soldiers go out on patrol, they do so by themselves: http://www.military-sf.com/Patrols.htm

And these guys really like put a lot of detail into their scenarios. Masturbation fantasies?

It worries me how eager they are for society to crumble. These scenarios come up so often.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

The Others (that 2001 film with Nicole Kidman) was, IMO, effectively creepy in a good old-fashioned ghost story way.

As for gory films, depends somewhat on circumstance. I expect a film with Romero-style walking dead to have some gore; supernatural/”voodoo” zombies, not so much. I also tolerate somewhat more gore in horror-comedies– up to a point. (Dead Alive still looks absolutely stomach-churning.)

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Tessa
I know, I just don’t like it being shown if that makes sense.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

It worries me how eager they are for society to crumble. These scenarios come up so often.

A particularly disturbing example of these types came up in Outsider magazine’s article on preppers:

“It would only take nine days of hunger for the women to begin prostituting themselves,” Hunt tells me.

Funny thing is, I suspect most of these guys would end up fighting to see whose tongue goes further up the ass of the nearby charismatic strongman.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

I’m not too big on horror games as far too many of them just go for the lazy GORE AND JUMP SCARES route.

you’ve seen one frigging insane asylum inexplicably filled with rotating knives you’ve seen them all

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

A particularly disturbing example of these types came up in Outsider magazine’s article on preppers:

“It would only take nine days of hunger for the women to begin prostituting themselves,” Hunt tells me.

Funny thing is, I suspect most of these guys would end up fighting to see whose tongue goes further up the ass of the nearby charismatic strongman.

Kind of a very side note,but the 9 days of hunger made me think of it. Have you ever seen the show “naked and afraid”? It’s a survival show where a man and woman are tossed into the middle of a jungle with no food or clothes, only a tool each. They have to survive 3 weeks. In one, the man was “from the south” and wouldn’t stop saying so… Also repeated a lot that the man was supposed to provide for the woman and stuff like that. But he couldn’t catch anything, and at one point he refused to eat food the woman caught. He risked starvation because he was mad that she caught food and he couldn’t. At the very end of the 3 weeks, he managed to catch something and was all happy and felt “like a man again.”

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

LBT: Goddammit, I hadn’t screwed up a single tag in years, and now I bungle two.

Shun.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

Incidentally, although it might not quite count as horror, this is fun too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Live_the_Queen_%28video_game%29

http://store.steampowered.com/app/251990/

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

“It would only take nine days of hunger for the women to begin prostituting themselves,” Hunt tells me.

Because clearly women have no other tradeable skills, and in hunter-gatherer and agrarian societies women do not contribute food.

These guys are toxic.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Damn, you’d have to be pretty desperate to want to bring about the end of the world just so that women would be forced to let you fuck them.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

The writer did not note whether the fellow who said that awkwardly adjusted his pants in an attempt to hide a half-erection. Anyway, I found the casual line rather jaw-dropping.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

They can’t rely on their shining personalities, that’s for sure.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

On a more light-hearted note re preppers: anyone else think that the trend in paracord braiding (for bracelets, etc.) is basically macrame rebranded for preppers?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Seriously, if you’re willing to dodge zombies and toxic waste just so someone will be forced to touch your penis? You could try just learning to be a nicer person or something.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

Yeah. I mean, it really isn’t that hard to be pleasant. Just because you can’t get your penis touched within the next 40 seconds, DOESN’T MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE OR OPPRESSIVE.

Ellie
Ellie
6 years ago

Didn’t IB used to work at a women’s shelter and be a feminist? Hmmm

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

This attitude of men like Hunt would mark them out as a guy not to be trusted, by other guys. It will alienate them from the actually useful men, because their attitude indicates they will work against group cohesion.

When in a survival situation, it is good to be in a bloody group.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Psh, when society crumbles, I’ll be one of the first to go. Mentally ill artist who used up all the stress tolerance by the time they hit drinking age? Yeah, right. But at least I could tell people fun stories and do basic labor like dig holes to shit in, pull weeds in gardens, and do shit other more knowledgeable people tell me to do.

Prostitute myself to one of those torture-porn-addicts? Nah, I’ll hit the zombies, first. They, at least, have no antipathy towards me and just see me as food.

RE: fruitloopsie

Lol I’m guessing you like Roberta Williams?

Just a bit!

RE: cassandrakitty

You could try just learning to be a nicer person or something.

HERESY! Everyone knows that if you put any effort into being pleasant around others, it’s selling out your soul and your true self to be a superficial snot! The only true love is the one where nobody ever fucking bothers.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Don’t underestimate the need for people who will do basic labour, as well as entertainers. 🙂

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

@ LBT

I always forget to bring my “How to find true love by being a total shithead to everyone you’re attracted to” guidebook along on trips.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

If, for instance, you were out on a scouting party, roaming the burning streets of Los Angeles scavenging for food, and a gang of Mad-Max-esque bikers suddenly descended upon you, and started attacking everyone and grabbing you, ready to carry you off back to their greasy lair under a freeway on-ramp somewhere, for a fun-filled night of gang rape and whatever else, would you defiantly rebuke the fellow male “colonist” for attempting to rescue you from their clutches, and deride him for his derogatory attempts at being “chivalrous”..? Would you be disgusted by his blatant display of “benevolent sexism”, and prefer to be left alone to try and fight off the leather-clad marauders by yourself? Or would the reality of the situation perhaps allow for a temporary exception to made, and call for a bit of “outdated thinking” to be tolerated…?

Exactly when would such a thing take place? These guys sound like they’re practically salivating for the apocalypse. Newsflash: We’re all actively working to PREVENT that, you nimnuls.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Also, unlike these dumbasses, I actually know how to die with a minimum of pain and indignity! 😀 HAHAHA JOKES ON YOU DUMBASS! As long as my country adores its plastic bags, I won’t have to WORRY about getting zombie chowed if I truly don’t want to!

(Oddly, though, I’ve never seen THAT among the skill set taught to survivalists. I would think that knowing how to die would be just as important as knowing how to stay alive! But maybe I’m just morbid.)

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

The diabetes and depression will make me somewhat less helpful but if I can preserve some of my library there may be worthwhile info to glean from it.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

I always forget to bring my “How to find true love by being a total shithead to everyone you’re attracted to” guidebook along on trips.

*snrk* Don’t bother, I hear that it’s a terrible read!

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

When in a survival situation, it is good to be in a bloody group.

This. It’s disturbing enough that people like that seem to be looking forward to some kind of apocalyptic doomsday scenario that will “put women in their place,” but really, in these kind of long-term survival situations the smartest thing to do is to work together cooperatively as a group that utilizes everyone’s skills.

re horror movies:

The 2003 movie Fear of the Dark isn’t sexualized and didn’t have a lot of gore in it. (There’s a 2001 movie of the same name that looks like a run-of-the-mill slasher film, in other words, crappy :/).

I also liked Resolution.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

You’d think these nincompoops would be the first to go if they’re going to take the literal strategy of “dog eat dog.” Survival of the fittest doesn’t apply to humans. Hell, it really doesn’t apply all that accurately to evolution itself.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Co-operation is adaptive. Which means that these guys would be the first to die out, since they’re all so bonered up for a dogfight.

Fine with me!

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

I mean, this shit is fucking basic Anthro 101 and they can’t even get that right. But why would I have expected them to anyway?

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Hey, I only did Anthro 101 🙂

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

@pallygirl– Then you’re already light years ahead of them. 😛

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Why in the hidden names of ten thousand demons would you come back for a second shift working at a pizza place with clearly possessed animatronic monsters.

I quite like the LP though, thanks LBT.

“That buddy wants my GIBBLETS but he can’t HAVE THEM they’re MINE, MY GIBBLETS”

Personally, I just finished Teleglitch in one go. Wooooh. That was sort of horrifying towards the end, because I was rather running out of ammonition and the robots kept pilling up.

Not scary-scary, though.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

For those who can tolerate gore, otoh, the scariest one I’ve seen in a while is I Saw The Devil. This may be partly because I find serial killer far more frightening than monsters.

All the trigger warnings, though – the villain is a serial rapist as well as a serial killer, and there’s a whole lot of stuff in there about the link between misogyny and violence towards women. In fact the villain is pretty much what we’re all afraid the next Elliot Roger might turn into.

Psychologically interesting stuff about what the desire for vengeance does to a person in this one, too.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Just FYI, The Orphanage is not completely without gore. There is one gory scene.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

@cassandrakitty– I also find serial killers equal parts fascinating and terrifying. I have several books about them. I generally enjoy the macabre but I sure as hell would NEVER want to be anywhere near one.