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Pickup guru Roosh V: Unmarried women who don't live with their parents are sluts

Evil slut in her den of depravity
Evil slut in her den of depravity

I‘ve been trying to avoid reading, much less writing about, the human stain and pickup guru who calls himself Roosh V. But I couldn’t keep myself away from his most recent post, an appalling little exercise called The Most Reliable Way To Tell If A Girl Is A Slut,which turns out to be even more appalling than its title.

Roosh, you see, has figured out a simple one-question test to determine the sluttiness of any woman. Let’s let him explain:

Many girls go to great lengths to hide their slutty past, knowing deep down the low value it conveys for being a suitable long-term partner, but there is one easy indicator that should tell you beyond a reasonable doubt whether she is a slut or not.

Has she lived on her own?

I believe my response to this is best illustrated by the following video of Don Draper saying “what?”

Let me just add:

HAS SHE LIVED ON HER OWN?

Are you exclusively dating high school girls?

If she’s an adult, or at least an adult somewhere in the vicinity of your own age, OF COURSE SHE’S LIVED ON HER OWN.

Yes, yes, I know, given this economy it’s true that some young people – mostly young men – are living at home a little longer these days than in the past, but the overwhelming majority have moved out by their mid-twenties. You’re 35 years old, dude.

Roosh continues:

If she has lived away from her parents for more than a year, she has—at the minimum—slept with many men whose last names she did not know, including one-night stands that did not involve condoms.

Dude, do you even know the first names of the women you sleep with? And haven’t you bragged endlessly about how you “raw dog it” with women? Weren’t you “raw dogging it” even when you were afraid you had AIDS? (Those are rhetorical questions; I already know that the answers are yes, and yes.)

An “independent” girl, removed from the constraints of a nuclear family home and its rules, curfew, and the concern of good parents, will allow the slutty dick gobbler within her to be released.

Women engaging in consensual sex that they enjoy … with someone else? THE END OF THE WORLD. Raping women who are too drunk to consent? According to Roosh himself, it’s “what I do.”

In other words, a natural-born slut who lives on her own will have far more sexual partners than if she lives with parents of average skill who require their daughter to be home by midnight.

Amazing deduction, Sherlock. And if she’s a nun, she’ll probably be having even less sex. The question is: why are you, as 35 year old man, regularly pursuing women young enough to live with their parents?

Give a man leeway in living life and he does great things, but give a woman this same freedom and she fully embraces the whore lifestyle, unable to stop from getting her fill of cock.

Really? Here are some young men who have recently started living on their own; I’m not sure that what they are doing could really be described as a “great thing.” (Content Warning: Drunk dudes hitting each other in the head with boards.)

If you want to estimate a girl’s notch count, simply multiple the number of years she has lived on her own by the number 3. If she has lived on campus in college for four years and then moved to a large city for two more, you can rest assured she’s had over 15 cocks in her vagina, and god knows how many more in her mouth.

Not that anyone’s worth is determined by how many penises they’ve had in their vagina, or anywhere else, but I feel I should note that these figures, clearly pulled from the  Journal of Roosh’s Own Ass, are completely wrong.

According to people who’ve actually studied human sexuality, his number is just a teensy bit high. And by “teensy” I mean they’re off by an order of magnitude. According to one 2005 study, women in their 30s and early 40s report that they’ve had only 4 male sexual partners, on average, not the 36 to 78 that Roosh’s formula would predict for women who move out on their own at the age of 18 to go to college.

There are definite exceptions for girls who are relationship minded and had boyfriends of more than one year in length, but unless she mentions this, you’re interacting with a slut and should proceed accordingly by escorting her home and asking if you can use her bathroom. Then you must fornicate with her like so many other men.

Yeah, that’s really … creepy. You lie to get into her home, then proceed as if, as a slut, she’s already consented to sex?

You may be thinking the following: “Many Western girls live alone, at least 50%. Does that mean that over 50% of American girls are sluts?” That’s exactly what it means. Independence in women drives them to disempowering sexual behaviors that oppose motherly or wife behaviors. You must be skeptical of girls who have lived alone if you want a serious relationship.

At least if you want a relationship with a creepy, judgmental asshole who thinks like Roosh.

[T]here is absolutely no need for a girl to be independent by living alone without a husband unless you want her holes to be used as a real-life enactment of 50 Shades Of Grey by many strange men.

Well, that is, if you assume that 1) all women can magically find men, whether their father or a husband, who will pay all their bills and  2) Roosh’s opinions about any given woman’s sexual life matter more than the opinions of the woman herself.

If you end up having a daughter of your own, I highly recommend you limit her financial independence before she finds a husband. Refrain from giving her Think & Grow Rich advice that would be better suited for your son. Otherwise, she’ll become a slut who gives it up to any man who dances a good clown jig.

So: prepare your daughter to be dependent for her very existence on dudes who think like Roosh.

That may be the worst parenting advice I’ve ever heard. Then again, it’s from Roosh.

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GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

MR/PUAs don’t believe in lesbians — they think that a lesbian is a woman who hasn’t met the right misogynist man yet.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

@ LBT,

Are you a walking repository of WTF porn? Between ambulatory and haunted vaginas, I’ve sensed a trend here…

Also, my notch count should be 15 by now–4 years of college, 1 year working (with my own apartment! Yay!). That is infinitely higher than in reality. It is like they think introverted, socially awkward nerds only come in one gender…

steampunked (@steampunked)

Wait, dude’s in Siberia?

I’ve been to Siberia, it’s beautiful!

However, given that there are often some pretty retrograde attitudes towards women (I’ve had some…odd experiences there, including some hilarious ones), I don’t think anyone without a decent means of support and a reasonable reputation is going to get anywhere. If you have less opportunities, you don’t waste them on a guy like Roosh. Plus I can’t really see Roosh being able to stand up to the most mighty Siberian force of all that I witnessed – the Babushka.

I have seen these (sometimes amazingly frail!) ladies beat the crap out of people with handbags and random implements for ignoring social convention. And god forbid you hit back. You will be destroyed. You do NOT hit a grandmother.

Things I have seen a Babushka hit a guy they had never previously met over:

* Jumping the train ticket checker.
* Public drunkeness.
* Being rude to women.

Sooner or later, Roosh is gonna get Babushka’d. These people survived Nazi occupation. They take zero crap from anyone.

katz
10 years ago

Roosh vs Babushka. Please let this get captured by a Russian dash cam.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

I’m not in favor of anyone ever hitting anyone else, ever, but … I’d watch that.

katz
10 years ago

Or maybe he will run afoul of a European hamster. YES I AM EMBEDDING THIS VIDEO AGAIN WHY SHOULDN’T I

steampunked (@steampunked)

They might actually be the ultimate anti-PUA defense as given their ages, they will be entirely invisible to a PUA.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Is…is that hamster growling?

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

That Taliban thing? The only use I’ve seen of it is in the _talibangelical_ construction. Which does make a point in highlighting how similar the ideologies are when you’re advocating an anti-woman, anti-sex, generally repressive, theocratic state.

Otherwise, I don’t see the point of dragging it in anywhere and everywhere. The link has to be at least plausible.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

A forum with a lot of women posters doesn’t equal a secretarial pool (circa 1955 or so).

Although I think there are a fair number of librarians here. But still.

And at least one secretary! (Well, secretary-like-person.)

Orion
Orion
10 years ago

LBT,

Forgive me if this question is too personal; you needn’t answer. I was curious what you mean when you talk about things your husband did before you met him. I had the (perhaps mistaken) impression that your husband was another member of your system; if so, how can you have gone for years without meeting him?

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

That hamster knows karate! It keeps returning to a ready stance position!
**mind boggles**

acrannymint
10 years ago

By his “logic”, I should be close to 100 now – I feel robbed

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: cloudiah

It’s the online equivalent of just pasting a silly fake mustache on your face.

Psh, I wish OUR trolls were kind enough to paste silly fake mustaches upon their names. It’d make them slightly entertaining.

RE: wordsp1nner

Are you a walking repository of WTF porn?

I CAN’T HELP IT IT FINDS ME. (Though I still say g0y porn is the WORST.) And the Haunted Vagina wasn’t porn, it was just some neurotic white dude thinking that spewing his Freudian issues in spec-fic form was edgy and cool. Seriously, if I never have to read about another book all about a white dude’s sexual neuroses ever again, it will still be too late.

RE: steampunked

I’ve been to Siberia, it’s beautiful!

This goes against everything I have ever heard about Siberia. Tell me more! Also, I must now make Babushka a verb in one of my stories somehow.

RE: Orion

I had the (perhaps mistaken) impression that your husband was another member of your system; if so, how can you have gone for years without meeting him?

Hubby’s a weird beast. He comes from somewhere else; by his perspective, he lived an entire life without me, with jobs, family, and a string of ex-girlfriends. Then he died at the age of twenty-seven and ended up here.

redpoppy
redpoppy
10 years ago

@steampunked– She fights for truth, justice and for men not to be drunk in public or be rude to women. She knits, she cooks, she’ll kick your ass. She is: The Babushka Avenger. I love this with every fiber of my being.

katz
10 years ago

Psh, I wish OUR trolls were kind enough to paste silly fake mustaches upon their names. It’d make them slightly entertaining.

New troll challenge?

Siberia.

mdmh
mdmh
10 years ago

I have been reading this blog since hearing David on the radio and I now “know” many of the commentators as well.

So, anyway, I have a stupid question despite careful reading. Why does this Roosh character appear not to want women to be sluts when his blog is about picking women up and using them for sex? I am missing something obvious? Is it just that woman making any sexual choice that does not involve him is, in his mind, an improper act by that woman? I frankly don’t get it.

But, it does occur to me I may be trying to know the unknowable (that is, his whole world view may be too stupid to understand).

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Wow. And all this time, I was imagining Siberia as hell on earth. I suppose if you’re going to freeze to death, you might as well do it SCENICALLY.

katz
10 years ago

It is similar to northern Canada, from what I understand: Cold and empty of people, but beautiful.

E
E
10 years ago

I still feel oddly proud that he hated my country so much that he wrote a “DO NOT bang” book. Please don’t come back, and please have many more shitty experiences in all the countries you visit – you deserve it!
The fact that he has been to my country and breathed air and used bathrooms makes me a little sad inside though.

How he gets a VISA for anywhere is beyond me. His parents ought to take away his passport and ground him for life.

coffee
coffee
10 years ago

@ GrumpyOldMan I’ve actually had a dude tell me I’m only a lesbian because I haven’t been fucked by the right man.

I told him he was obviously only into chicks for the same reason, and then he did that deer-in-headlights expression people do when they’re trying to rapidly rationalize their hypocrisy.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
10 years ago

@steampunked – This must be some kind of a constant across Slavic countries, because the Siberian Babushka sounds an awful lot like the older women in my husband’s family. My MIL has forty years of U.S. living under her belt, so she’s softened enough to not to administer corporal punishment to adult strangers. She is, however, known for telling off priests in the confessional and letting everyone know exactly how she thinks, no matter what the situation (when a cop once condescendingly asked her if she spoke English during a traffic stop, her reply was “Yes, do you?”). She is equal parts infuriating and marvelous. I wish I could be like her when I grow up but I know for a fact that I do not have what it takes.

I don’t know what MIL would do if she met Roosh. I think that the verbal smackdown might be epic enough to justify ordering commemorative merchandise. Maybe “Team Baba” t-shirts.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: mdmh

Why does this Roosh character appear not to want women to be sluts when his blog is about picking women up and using them for sex?

Because then the women might enjoy what he’s doing, and that’s against his purpose. He wants to fuck women, but he also wants to be the only one who ever “has” them, and he wants them to NOT like it.

Nonplussed Cat
Nonplussed Cat
10 years ago

Jeez. Got here through confused cats, and seriously never realized before that PUA was a real thing. Wow. That said, this rant did remind me of a much much better rant from one of the best PUAs of all time (except I think he actually LIKED women), John Donne. And I can’t resist : http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173383#poem.

BTW, @coffee (8.53) – I laughed so hard at that response I snorted the risotto I was eating. Not good!

Anyway, forgive the interlude.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

@ coffee…thanks! I just laughed up a bunch of lung congestion… Awesome line.

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