I‘ve been trying to avoid reading, much less writing about, the human stain and pickup guru who calls himself Roosh V. But I couldn’t keep myself away from his most recent post, an appalling little exercise called The Most Reliable Way To Tell If A Girl Is A Slut,which turns out to be even more appalling than its title.
Roosh, you see, has figured out a simple one-question test to determine the sluttiness of any woman. Let’s let him explain:
Many girls go to great lengths to hide their slutty past, knowing deep down the low value it conveys for being a suitable long-term partner, but there is one easy indicator that should tell you beyond a reasonable doubt whether she is a slut or not.
Has she lived on her own?
I believe my response to this is best illustrated by the following video of Don Draper saying “what?”
Let me just add:
HAS SHE LIVED ON HER OWN?
Are you exclusively dating high school girls?
If she’s an adult, or at least an adult somewhere in the vicinity of your own age, OF COURSE SHE’S LIVED ON HER OWN.
Yes, yes, I know, given this economy it’s true that some young people – mostly young men – are living at home a little longer these days than in the past, but the overwhelming majority have moved out by their mid-twenties. You’re 35 years old, dude.
Roosh continues:
If she has lived away from her parents for more than a year, she has—at the minimum—slept with many men whose last names she did not know, including one-night stands that did not involve condoms.
Dude, do you even know the first names of the women you sleep with? And haven’t you bragged endlessly about how you “raw dog it” with women? Weren’t you “raw dogging it” even when you were afraid you had AIDS? (Those are rhetorical questions; I already know that the answers are yes, and yes.)
An “independent” girl, removed from the constraints of a nuclear family home and its rules, curfew, and the concern of good parents, will allow the slutty dick gobbler within her to be released.
Women engaging in consensual sex that they enjoy … with someone else? THE END OF THE WORLD. Raping women who are too drunk to consent? According to Roosh himself, it’s “what I do.”
In other words, a natural-born slut who lives on her own will have far more sexual partners than if she lives with parents of average skill who require their daughter to be home by midnight.
Amazing deduction, Sherlock. And if she’s a nun, she’ll probably be having even less sex. The question is: why are you, as 35 year old man, regularly pursuing women young enough to live with their parents?
Give a man leeway in living life and he does great things, but give a woman this same freedom and she fully embraces the whore lifestyle, unable to stop from getting her fill of cock.
Really? Here are some young men who have recently started living on their own; I’m not sure that what they are doing could really be described as a “great thing.” (Content Warning: Drunk dudes hitting each other in the head with boards.)
If you want to estimate a girl’s notch count, simply multiple the number of years she has lived on her own by the number 3. If she has lived on campus in college for four years and then moved to a large city for two more, you can rest assured she’s had over 15 cocks in her vagina, and god knows how many more in her mouth.
Not that anyone’s worth is determined by how many penises they’ve had in their vagina, or anywhere else, but I feel I should note that these figures, clearly pulled from the Journal of Roosh’s Own Ass, are completely wrong.
According to people who’ve actually studied human sexuality, his number is just a teensy bit high. And by “teensy” I mean they’re off by an order of magnitude. According to one 2005 study, women in their 30s and early 40s report that they’ve had only 4 male sexual partners, on average, not the 36 to 78 that Roosh’s formula would predict for women who move out on their own at the age of 18 to go to college.
There are definite exceptions for girls who are relationship minded and had boyfriends of more than one year in length, but unless she mentions this, you’re interacting with a slut and should proceed accordingly by escorting her home and asking if you can use her bathroom. Then you must fornicate with her like so many other men.
Yeah, that’s really … creepy. You lie to get into her home, then proceed as if, as a slut, she’s already consented to sex?
You may be thinking the following: “Many Western girls live alone, at least 50%. Does that mean that over 50% of American girls are sluts?” That’s exactly what it means. Independence in women drives them to disempowering sexual behaviors that oppose motherly or wife behaviors. You must be skeptical of girls who have lived alone if you want a serious relationship.
At least if you want a relationship with a creepy, judgmental asshole who thinks like Roosh.
[T]here is absolutely no need for a girl to be independent by living alone without a husband unless you want her holes to be used as a real-life enactment of 50 Shades Of Grey by many strange men.
Well, that is, if you assume that 1) all women can magically find men, whether their father or a husband, who will pay all their bills and 2) Roosh’s opinions about any given woman’s sexual life matter more than the opinions of the woman herself.
If you end up having a daughter of your own, I highly recommend you limit her financial independence before she finds a husband. Refrain from giving her Think & Grow Rich advice that would be better suited for your son. Otherwise, she’ll become a slut who gives it up to any man who dances a good clown jig.
So: prepare your daughter to be dependent for her very existence on dudes who think like Roosh.
That may be the worst parenting advice I’ve ever heard. Then again, it’s from Roosh.
@funkykingston:
“For all of the talk about how men are capable of great things I haven’t seen any of these guys actually DO anything of real relevance.”
That’s why the manuresphere exists.
It gives such men, who generally represent the absolute dregs of society, the illusions of belonging and importance.
They “bond” with each other (or rather delude themselves into believing that they do, as they cannot really bond with other human beings) and “make sense” of their useless existence by non-stop sharing of their sexual frustrations and hatred for women. Believing that “It’s all the wimminz’ fault” is a great rationalization for their life failures.
So no, they will never DO anything of relevance. Men who are capable of doing things of relevance and actually DO them do not spend time in the manuresphere. They also tend to get along well with women.
Ahh, yes. I for one order my cocks frozen and in bulk, you know, for convenience.
It all comes down to the simple fact, that the penis is the seat of the soul. Not having a penis creates a soul vacuum in women*, sorry, females. Thus, they are driven to obtain Liquid Gold ** to fill the void, not knowing that it further devalues their empty flesh suits.
It’s tragic, really.
* Trans people all count as women by default, because even those who do have penises have voided their status as soul havers by denouncing the power of MANLINESS
**May contain traces of semen
Now excuse me, I have to scrub my brain with drain cleaner.
I want to know why a PUA would have to pretend to need to use the bathroom to get into a woman’s home if she’s a cock gobbling, slathering sexy fiend? I can’t shake the rapey vibe of him telling men pretty much that since she’s presumably been used for sex before, they MUST use this her too. At no point does her desire or consent figure into this known rapist’s advice.
Meanwhile, how does loving sex with men make a woman an unsuitable partner for a straight man? My mind keeps drifting back to the horrible, abusive, selfish sex Roosh advises men to have. He knows that a woman who is independent, confident and experienced will see him as the cold turd he is, instead of the hot shit he pretends to think he is. I think he knows exactly how little any woman wants to be shackled to worthless slime like him.
Given the beginning:
I can’t at all fathom how he estimates the number of partners at only three a year. As it was only supposed to take a little over a year to get to many, I was expecting at least three a month – if not three a week.
[If she has lived away from her parents for more than a year, she has—at the minimum—slept with many men whose last names she did not know, including one-night stands that did not involve condoms.]
was left out.
I wonder if living with female roommates counts as “living alone” or not… If not, then I’ve been living alone for 3 years now, but oddly enough have had zero sex partners in my life! And all but one of my local graduate school friends are male too! Of course I am a demiromantic asexual, so…
For a moment I was confused by how 3 could be considered to be the same thing as “many”, but then I remembered that misogynists don’t really do math.
Dustedeste: It’s definitely the latter. Ana doesn’t even live alone, unless you count few years in college with a female roommate. And she literally has no sexuality or independent life before meeting Mr. Alpha.
@Cassandrakitty
There’s a classic old-school tabletop RPG called Bunnies & Burrows which was essentially a role-playing version of the novel Watership Down where the players took on the role of adventuring rabbits. (Great fun, by the way.) One of the character traits that players had to abide by was that rabbits could only count to four, and anything more than four was “lots.” “How many dogs did you see?” “Lots!”
In other words, PUAs who go from “3” to “many” can’t count as well as fictional rabbits.
I was thinking of Pratchett’s trolls, if they were living in a very hot climate.
I liked on my own four over a year when I was… fourteen. Nowadays I don’t, but I’m not married nor do I live with my parents. Then again, I guess it makes me a gold digger since I live with an older man who makes… well, neither of us make any money, but he has a liiiiitle bit more money on average on his account than I do.
I also love how Roosh apparently knows everything about the sex lives of single, lone dweller women. All of them. They’re like, identical copies of each other starting from life experiences, so when you know how one of them lives, you know them all.
@cassandrakitty: It’s like he’s one of those people who doesn’t believe that sexual orientation is innate and he’s mounting a campaign attempting to turn all straight women into lesbians.
At the rate he’s going, he’s going to turn ME into a lesbian from the shame of association via gender.
Heya, Cassie’s Major Domo! I’ve never played Bunnies & Burrows but the last thing that title conjures to my mind’s eye is Watership Down.
I think there’s a similar rule in GURPS Discworld for players of troll characters. If there isn’t, there should be. (And the trolls are a bit more sophisticated than rabbits; before they get to lots they have to count at least to many many.)
The RPG digression hereabouts happens less frequently than the bra-sizing discussion, but we’ve got several regulars who have RPG experience.
BQS: o Zombie cock rampage
“Keep the tip”.
@textoncolor: Uh… ummm… there’s [Dipsh*t]? He’s drooled some words and gotten them published.
SELF-published. Big, big difference.
A game based on Watership Down sounds incredibly depressing.
I’m jumping in to say that I’m currently in the countryside outside of Moscow, at a philosophy summer school for PhD students and fairly recent PhD:s. My room mate, a Russian woman, began talking about Sweden and how she’s heard good things about feminism in Sweden (although I had to inform her that things aren’t completely perfect and besides we’re having a bit of a backlash now, things might plausibly be better in Sweden than Russia). She said that on paper, there was great gender equality in the Soviet union, but lots of it was just on paper. Nowadays, most “ordinary folk” are so prejudiced about what feminism really means… it’s easy to find feminists in academia, but difficult outside of it, and it’s a great problem that women are held back by being expected to do all the housework and stuff (although she said that she personally does squat all at home and merely focuses on philosophy).
BUT… BUT… That’s NOT how Russian women are supposed to BE!!!!!!
I think there’s a similar rule in GURPS Discworld for players of troll characters. If there isn’t, there should be. (And the trolls are a bit more sophisticated than rabbits; before they get to lots they have to count at least to many many.)
Trolls have the racial quirk : Innumerate (-1). This may seem pretty little, but the ability to count above three isn’t necessarily a huge disadvantage when you’re usually employed to hit things with big clubs. Their special disadvantage “Troll Brain (10/-20)” doesn’t specifically affect this, but any decent DM would let you roleplay sudden mathematical abilities appearing when you’re chilled.
The alternative rules for trolls in Discworld Also don’t affect this disadvantage.
And Gurps Bunnies & Burrows points out that a rabbit with the Mathematical Ability advantage can count as high as eight, the nerd.
Not that I know what you people are talking about.
@Phoenician: Thanks. I haven’t looked at my GURPS Discworld book in an age.
I tried playing a GURPS Reign of Steel game but the system just didn’t work for my group, which is a shame. Reign of Steel is widely regarded as the most awesome GURPS world book evar.
Nowadays I think I’d use Savage Worlds.
When I play Bunnies & Burrows it’s usually as Fudge-hack (damn this is getting nerdy), but that’s with help from Stephen O’Sullivan, who both created the Fudge RPG and the original GURPS translation of Bunnies and Burrows.
I agree that the idea of a Watership Down game sounds depressing, but B&B is more lighthearted, and it emphasizes the challenge of playing characters who can’t physically overcome most opponents and have to use brains, deception, planning (and herb-lore, one of the additions not base on Watership Down). It was a nice break from a lot of the hack-n-slash gaming of the 1980s. Whenver I played the Fudge version, the new players end up thoroughly enjoying it.
I tried playing a GURPS Reign of Steel game but the system just didn’t work for my group, which is a shame. Reign of Steel is widely regarded as the most awesome GURPS world book evar.
Personally, I’d say Transhuman Space, but I don’t play now. I only get to conventions these days, where we tend to go for systems more suited for pickup games like this – http://kapcon.rpg.net.nz/?q=taxonomy/term/331
I mean – I have no idea what you’re talking about.
@dorabella
So… if they believe that stuff about penises and women, why aren’t they out there fighting the good fight against dick pics on dating sites?
Julie:
I guess most of them figure that, if a woman appears open to casual sex (or even sex before marriage), she’s already a worthless slut and it doesn’t matter if she gets fucked some more. Years ago I saw a Finnish PUA state his ethical guideline as “don’t mess with virgins”. Obviously you can’t ask that and expect a honest answer, so you trust dubious rules-of-thumb in estimating how chaste or slutty a given woman is.
Roosh, now, he would totally “ruin” a virgin (consensually or not) if given opportunity, because that’s what he does.
Howdy, all. 🙂 Delurking to 1) introduce myself and 2) to say I feel sorry for Roosh; he could be enjoying his life so much more if he realized he was in a cage of his own making. Being a PUA seems like masochistic behavior to me (but it’s his choice, I got nuttIn’ ‘gainst choice).
Otoh, dear Robin Williams has walked on and this male bipedal mammal is still breathing; can we say massive squick, folks?
Roosh V’s sickening assertions make no sense. Consequently there is no need to disprove them. More than only a misogynist, he is a misanthropist who despises all people, most especially himself. Such a person has nothing good in his life, now or in the future.
Ignore him.