Now that he’s taken the Red Pill, the Reddittor who calls himself F9R recently announced, he’s “started seeing women as people rather than as magical beautiful goddess creatures.” That’s a good thing, right? Seeing women as actual human beings rather than some imaginary construct?
Well, not so much. Because it turns out that women are just terrible as human beings. No, it’s true! In a rambling comment in the Red Pill subreddit with more than 100 upvotes, F9R reports his scientific findings on the ladies of the world.
Now I’m disillusioned with them because women, for the most part, are boring people. 95% of them spend more time on their appearance than anything else, so as a result they never really have interesting hobbies or develop respectable skill in any particular area. This, in my opinion, could be one of the reasons that women have historically under-performed in almost every activity/industry.
Ah, that explains it! There haven’t been any women presidents, or Popes, or Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, because the ladies are spending way too much time fussing with their lipstick and trying to find the exact right shade of eyeshadow.
There haven’t been more women inventors, not because women were denied education for thousands of years or because STEM fields are filled with angry manbabies who cry oppression whenever a woman comes near, but because women don’t have any fascinating, mentally stimulating hobbies like the Red Pillers of the world have. You know, like weight-lifting, or “Game,” or “saying terrible things about women online.”
So you swallow the pill, look around you, and see two groups of people. The first group, men, generally have no innate value and have had to work for everything in life. This is why the loser-winner spectrum is so broad for men; don’t work at all and you’ll end up homeless, work your ass off and you could make millions. The second group, women, have considerable innate value and don’t spend nearly as much time fighting to stay respectable, because they can always fall back on their female safety net; this is why there are almost no homeless women, but it’s rare to find a female CEO.
Ah, the old “female safety net.” You know, the free reserve of rent money and bon bons that all women have access to. Or does he mean “well, if worse comes to worst, you can always become a prostitute”
Not quite as easy to understand as the concept of an oppressive patriarchy, but demonstrably more accurate.
He’s got that right: it’s definitely not as easy to understand.
Tying this in with sex drive: an RP’er will have a hard time respecting plates or women they meet at the bar, because when looking at these women as people rather than as magical, mysterious women, the man will be underwhelmed by her bland personality and/or her obnoxious attempts to seem less bland by being a loud annoying cunt.
Still, if she’s got a nice pair of tits and a round ass, you can forgive her personality and lack of emotional development.
Gosh, I am shocked that a whiny manchild who refers to women as “plates” can’t find anything interesting about them besides their sexy bits.
But then let’s say you get her in bed, and you fuck her, and you’re having a good time. As soon as you finish and are in that refractory period, you look over at the person next to you and see them differently. The tits and ass lose a bit of their appeal since you just finished, and now you see the person next to you for the immature person they really are, and it’s like you’re lying in bed with a child.
Huh. Just a thought, but if you want to date mature women you might want to start by dating, you know, mature women, instead of creepily fixating on women and girls much younger than you are?
Or maybe what’s really happening is that when you look over at the woman you just had sex with, she’s looking at you with disgust, wondering how the hell she ended up in bed with such an asshole, and you rationalize away her disdain towards you as her being “immature.”
It’s weird as fuck and you start to question your life choices. Next time you go out to the bar, you remember that moment, and decide to raise your maturity standards a little. To your dismay, no women measure up.
I hate to tell you this, but I’m pretty sure there aren’t a lot of mature women who see your bitter, immature ass as much of a prize.
That’s the Catch-22 of the Red Pill. It gives you all the women you could ever want, but you see them for what they really are.
Yeah, I’m sure that’s the problem. You’re dizzy with success.
So you’ve got two choices: work on your game and improve yourself in order to keep fucking barely-sentient organic sex toys, or go your own way and focus on your life instead because the game just isn’t worth it to you.
The grapes barely-sentient organic sex toys are definitely sour.
Men who choose the former are Red Pill alphas, and men who choose the latter are MGTOW. Blue Pillers just ignore the game and continue to get screwed over because they have no idea what they’re doing.
Keep telling yourself that.
And seriously, go your own fucking way already. Just do it. The further away, the better. If you think of women as barely sentient organic sex toys, stick with the non-organic, non-sentient variety of sex toy and leave the actual human beings alone.
Oh, and speaking of needlepoint, here’s my favorite song about crocheting. I know I’ve posted it before, but I don’t care. It’s not every day I have such a good excuse to post Julie Ruin.
Women don’t have real hobbies like collecting beer bottles.
There’s something deeply un-feminist about setting aside a certain group of women and making them the human sacrifices that we throw into the volcano of male rage and sexual frustration. All women deserve better than that, and if you’re OK with sacrificing other women to save yourself in that way I have a hard time taking your commitment to feminism seriously.
Not to mention that makeup and fashion are hobbies–at least if you put in the time and effort into them to look really, really good. I don’t, but my sister and some of my friends do. And even they don’t spend all their free time on it.
Also, I just spent hours warping my loom. I now am going to weave a two-block twill Christmas runner in red and green. I have also finished one novel and am working on the sequel while letting it cool before editing. I HAVE TOO MANY FUCKING HOBBIES. None of which I would likely talk about on a date because (a) I don’t want to be pressured to share my (rough draft) novel and (b) most people who aren’t into fiber arts don’t want to hear me talk about them.
Also, I put in enough extra hours at work the last two weeks to take more than a full day off.
Yes, sex work is a tough issue. Obviously many women do it out of economic necessity, which is troubling, or outright slavery, which is beyond appalling. On the other hand, it exists, it does not seem possible to end it, so somehow you have to figure out how to give support to the women in the business. In any case, you might have to accept the reality, but you definitely don’t have to approve of it.
I thought we were writing a parody of the TRP worldview when we said they view women as semi-sentient self-warming fleshlights.
Wow.
And those asshats should only be having contact with fleshlights, not women. Sex workers should not have to deal with them.
@GrumpyOldMan
Actually, none of the above posters are against sex work, they’re speaking specifically about when people look at hateful misogynists’ screeds and tell them to “go to a sex worker if they don’t want to deal with dating/interacting with women”.
@ cloudiah
Poe’s law again. How do you parody people this awful? Stuff that any editor would reject as being too mustache-twirlingly over-the-top evil turns out not to have gone far enough.
Ah, gotcha.
I didn’t mean to come off as such, if I did – I simply can’t believe most self-proclaimed pick-up artists and “alphas” who claim to have a lot of sex aren’t being honest about it. Like I said, most evidence of “game” I’ve seen seems to always end in failure because most women – knowing better – can see through it quite easily. I can only imagine the women they have any sexual interaction with are, unfortunately, either drunk women they take advantage of or sex workers who they need to pay.
I’d rather they didn’t either.
Of course. In a more ideal world, they’d keep all their self-induced bile to themselves and leave everyone else alone as they wallowed in it.
I’d wish that the practice was at least decriminalized, as that would do something about the abuse by police many of them deal with as it is illegal and often allows for such mistreatment, as well as being able to unionize – which would hopefully eliminate the use of pimps – and have healthcare benefits (preferably under a single-payer system). I know they do some of that in Amsterdam and they either lack those problems entirely or have minimized them quite a bit.
That doesn’t mean that you need to find the practice acceptable, there’s a lot of good reasons not to, but it at least means the women who do get involved are treated far better than they are now.
Shadow, GrumpyOldMan described my feelings pretty accurately, really. If it did come down to a choice of for or against, I’d be against, simply because of the power dynamics and abuse in the vast majority of it.
Actually Holland is considering reversing a lot of the legal changes they made to create their current system and trying something else entirely, since they’ve discovered that the current system has led to a massive increase in trafficking and poorer working conditions.
I’m surprised at my capacity to still be surprised at the depths to which these chucklefucks will sink, with the complete approval of their peers. Why am I still surprised?
It’s partly decriminalised here, SaintNick, (there are legal brothels, but street work is still illegal) but while that seems to have helped some of the workers, and at least means the ones in legal brothels won’t get arrested, it doesn’t help that much with all the abuse issues. There’s massive trafficking and not much indication that the police give a damn about crimes against sex workers, except on the odd occasion when one hits the headlines.
I don’t know. They long since exhausted my capacity for surprise, we’ve been in the “yeah, it figures” zone for a while now.
Having more jobs that pay a living wage seems to be a better option to me than anyone having to go into sex work because they make so much more money there.
It’s not even necessarily the case that people are making much money. Der Speigel just did a big feature about how all this has played out in Germany, and it’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of legalization.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/human-trafficking-persists-despite-legality-of-prostitution-in-germany-a-902533.html
@Cloudiah: I think what we’re dealing with here is an echo chamber, where these guys talk only to each other, and they get more approval the more outrageous they are. I see the same sort of thing on the political right (I suppose it’s there on the left, too, but I don’t see it), where all the Obama conspiracy theories get wilder and wilder with every self-reinforcement. Also, in particular, the responses to the child refugee issue. There is one tea-party congressmen who was claiming that the children were bring in diseases including smallpox, when the last reported case of smallpox in the world was in 1977 — and this guy used to be a doctor. Boggle.
The other thing I notice about everybody’s new friend F9R is the entire, exclusive emphasis on criticising women who are in clubs and bars. It seems never to have occurred to any of them that they might meet different women in different places doing different things.
Or, horror of horrors, the very same women who were all dressed up for a night out dancing at a club would give off an entirely different vibe if they were dressed in boots and gear at the indoor climbing gym. Maybe they’d be super strict and in control when refereeing a netball match or teaching martial arts skills. Some of those not-out-for-a-night’s-fun-right-now women might be frowning as they concentrate on improving their rowing skills or their running technique. Same thing would go in a music or woodwork or car maintenance class.
But they’d be focused, possibly a bit sweaty and completely uninterested in lurking, leering men there as well. My passing thought was clearly no good.
Are these children supposed to be bringing in smallpox via a time machine?
Today in People at Clubs Not In Super Serious Mood shocker!
I don’t know if it’s the same congressmen because these assholes all bleed together but there was a tea party congressman who warned that those kids would bring Ebola into the country. Fucking Ebola! Never mind that there’s never been a single case of it in Honduras.
Oh dear, they’re reverting to the belief that everywhere outside their own country is a giant scary undifferentiated blob known as Foreign (or sometimes There Be Dragons) again.
@Bonelady
Swimming with sharks?
I want to do that so bad. You have no idea. Elasmobranchs are what made me want to go into marine biology, in the first place.
Atlantic Weasel Sharks are super cute. Seriously, the cutest things ever. Although, kitties come in close second.
I think the only good reason to legalize sex work is that people will be more likely to report violations of the law if they don’t have to worry about being arrested themselves. That’s a good reason. Making it easier for asshats like the OP to abuse vulnerable women is not a good reason.
Similar to how it’s important to make sure that undocumented immigrants should be able to report crimes against them without worrying about being deported.
It’s not a moral equivalence to make it legal to hire sex workers, just like it isn’t equivalent to make it legal to hire undocumented immigrants (though there might be good reasons to do so). People who hire sex workers should be prosecuted if they abuse them, with no “Get out of jail free” card.
Again, this is really basic human decency 101, and it’s frustrating that we have to fight for this shit.
@kitteh’s
Fair enough, though it seems to me you’re against sex work as it stands today, rather than taking the stance that selling sexual services commodifies sex and is inherently antifeminist, most commonly found in radical feminist circles (though not exclusively). I’m fully in support of the former, and disagree with the latter. When I say “not against sex work” I meant to imply that the posters are not against sex work as a profession, not to imply that anyone is alright with the way things are right now. You’re obviously free to choose against, I just want to clarify that I’m definitely not advocating for the current abuses, power dynamics and other problems that exist in the sex work industry as it stands to remain that way.