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Paul Elam: "If a woman five feet tall and 110 pounds soaking wet hits me, I am going to hit her back."

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Attention tiny ladies! Paul Elam wants you to know that if you attack him, he will totally punch you right back. And not in a satirical way, either. With his actual, non-satirical fists.

A Voice for Men’s maximum leader has long insisted that his notorious “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” post was nothing more than misunderstood “satire.” That is, when he argued that men who are abused by women would be totally justified if they “beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall,” this was somehow a “Juvenalian” satire of some sort. There’s a famous quote from The Princess Bride that might be appropriate here.

Well, now Mr. Elam has announced to the world that every month is a potential “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” for him. Even if the “Violent Bitch” in question is less than half his size. In a post that he insists is super serious, he writes:

I want to offer a few words on this subject, and this time not in satire. I want to convey as honestly as possible, how I feel on the subject of violence between the sexes, from one man’s point of view.

I am 6’8” tall and 285 pounds. If a woman five feet tall and 110 pounds soaking wet hits me, I am going to hit her back.

Now, Elam does stop short of saying he would “beat the living shit” out of this hypothetical tiny woman, but, you know, in the heat of battle with someone less than half his size, he suggests that he might not be able to control his non-satirical fists:

I would do my best to return the violence proportionally, to just use enough force to stop the attack, but I can make no guarantees. Depending on the suddenness of the attack, the level of fear or threat I might feel, the impulse to self-defend in measured amounts is difficult, if not impossible to predict with any accuracy.

So, if there are any tiny ladies out there who might be considering jumping in a pool and then punching Paul Elam, I would suggest you not do that. Of course, I would suggest you not do that even if he weren’t going to hit back, because hitting people is generally a very bad thing.

Don’t worry, dudes – tiny or otherwise – Elam would totally punch you too!

It is the same reaction I would have to a man. No more and no less. The only way to prevent this and the consequences that may result is for people to keep their hands off me.

Presumably this would also apply to bears, giant squids, killer robots and anyone or anything else that tried to put its hands or paws or tentacles on him.

Now, if someone less than half my size were to attack me, and the situation weren’t life-threatening, I might, you know, back off and call the police instead. But apparently, this isn’t an option for men, because we’re all slaves, or something:

Most people who frequent this site know that men who call for help from police when being assaulted by female intimate partners are likely to be arrested for their troubles. … [T]here are prosecutors that will happily give the victim a criminal record and make them pay dearly for having been attacked.

This idea is completely insane on its face. Not only that, it is the closest thing we have today to the mentality of slave owners who could flog their slaves because they were property.

Never mind that women, who make up the vast majority of the victims of severe domestic violence, make up 20% of those arrested for DV. Never mind that even where there are mandatory arrest laws in effect, police still need probable or reasonable cause to show that domestic violence occurred – like physical evidence of injuries – before arresting a suspect. Never mind that even in states with “dual arrrest” policies, only about half of all domestic violence calls result in any arrests.

And never mind that if you use disproportionate force against someone less than half your size – as Elam suggests he very well might do – you deserve to go to jail, and for more than a night. “Beating the living shit” out of someone much smaller than you isn’t actually self-defense at all. It’s beating the living shit out of someone much smaller than you.

Now, Elam isn’t the only Men’s Rights Activist who seems to spend a lot of time imagining scenarios in which it would be ok for them to hit women. It’s a subject that comes up on the Men’s Rights subreddit all the time; the misogynistic douchebags who populate Reddit’s Videos subreddit are if anything even worse. And don’t ever do a Google image search for “equal rights equal lefts” unless you want to be really depressed.

The Men’s Rights movement: bravely fighting for the right of men to punch women half their size.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Were you alcohol tested for every job you’ve worked?

Oh, good, I wasn’t the only one rolling my eyes at the comment that included booze in the list of drugs that can disrupt a person’s work performance that failed to note that oh, hey, we don’t test for that at all.

I’m still boggling at the fact that beegee dropped a comment about how patronizing it is to tell men not to hit women in a thread about a guy who’s looking for any excuse he can find to give women half his size a beatdown. What is context, dumbass?

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

I live on less than $10,000 a year! Seriously, SIXTEEN YEARS of keeping me alive costs less than a fucking year’s salary for these guys? Seriously? And yet I’M the one who’s bankrupting America and needs to get drug-tested and pushed through hoops to get housing?

…When I was on foodstamps (it’s been about 18 years, I think, memory’s fuzzy ), I expressed guilt about taking assistance to this one guy.

He said something like: ” Don’t you worry about it, you go on and take that money. That’s a little less money they can use to make bombs to kill people with.”

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Cassandra,
There’s also the inconvenient fact that marijuana is the only narcotic that has a long half life and stays in the system for a while. For everything else you only need to be sober while you’re peeing and you should be fine. So the harmless drug is what gets punished. So stupid.

Regarding ebt: Does anyone remember when there was a glitch in the system and for a while a Wal-Mart in Louisiana was allowing unlimited ebt purposes. A bunch of people took advantage. The media of course came down hard on them. I just love that when someone like Mitt Romney finds a loophole and takes advantage of it, it’s an intelligent business decision but when the poor do the same it’s mooching off of taxpayers.

Fuck!

PS: Sorry if I’m getting increasingly ranty. I’ve been drinking wine.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Purchases, not purposes. Ugh!

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

You’d know, of course, that the word “privilege” means “private law.”
There’s private law for the well-heeled and the public law for the rest of us.
And I get off work in less than an hour, at which point I will actually…stop…posting…

contrapangloss
10 years ago

WWTH:

You meant purchases, wrote purposes, and I read porpoises. I think it’s just one of those nights…

Typos, they happen. I have no excuse for the cetaceans, though.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Is this a good time to repost the link to Clarence Darrow’s address to prisoners at Cook County jail?
http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/darrow.htm

There’s a reason I named my cat after him <3

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Yeah, beegee was going on about needing to test for coke and meth, and both of those clear your system a lot faster than weed. And I can’t see why someone being stoned would be a huge problem that must be stopped at work unless their job involved driving, or access to food that they could potentially eat all of when an attack of the munchies hit, thus leaving none for customers.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

I have no excuse for the cetaceans, though.

Miscetaceanry!

WHAT ABOUT TEH CETACEANS

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

I have no excuse for the cetaceans, though.

Miscetaceanry!

WHAT ABOUT TEH CETACEANS

…Some of us are still looking for our life’s porpoises…

katz
10 years ago

I have no excuse for the cetaceans, though.

Miscetaceanry!

WHAT ABOUT TEH CETACEANS

…Some of us are still looking for our life’s porpoises…

Cetacean needed.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Ok…another 12 hour shift over, g’night.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Cetacean needed

Whale, I’ll get right on it!

katz
10 years ago

Whale, I’ll get right on it!

Thanks for baleen me out!

contrapangloss
10 years ago

It was totally a fluke.

katz
10 years ago

I sei what you did there.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Once I get over this writer’s hump, back at ya!

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Don’t hector me too much if I have to dive deep to find flipper puns…

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

That will be the last tail you tell. 😛

Gen
Gen
10 years ago

@ Aunt Edna‘s comment:

The best way for a woman not to get beaten to a bloody pulp is not to attack or disrespect men. Woman want equality so welcome to boots to the ribs and fists to the face.

You see how they sneak “or disrespectful” in there. That’s what this is really about, isn’t it?

About bodies and body size, I am watching Roswell, that alien show from the 1990s because I didn’t catch it at the time, and I am AMAZED at how much more real the women look. Seriously, like Katherine Heigl (sp?) actually has hips. The amount of change in what feels like just a few short years (Roswell was late 90s) is amazing. These days in TV shows you get the ultra thin must-have-thigh-gap actresses whose heads look disproportionally large in comparison with their child-like bodies.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

“Disrespectful” can of course then be defined to mean whatever the man who wants to use it as an excuse to beat women wants it to mean.

Gen
Gen
10 years ago

“Disrespectful” can of course then be defined to mean whatever the man who wants to use it as an excuse to beat women wants it to mean.

Yes, exactly. Didn’t give him a blowjob every time he walked into a room? Disrespectful. Didn’t feed him grapes while fanning him with palm fronds? Disrespectful. And so forth.

katz
10 years ago

Cccccombo breaker! But it was nice to get some rorquality time.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Do! Phinally I get the last word?