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Paul Elam: "If a woman five feet tall and 110 pounds soaking wet hits me, I am going to hit her back."

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Attention tiny ladies! Paul Elam wants you to know that if you attack him, he will totally punch you right back. And not in a satirical way, either. With his actual, non-satirical fists.

A Voice for Men’s maximum leader has long insisted that his notorious “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” post was nothing more than misunderstood “satire.” That is, when he argued that men who are abused by women would be totally justified if they “beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall,” this was somehow a “Juvenalian” satire of some sort. There’s a famous quote from The Princess Bride that might be appropriate here.

Well, now Mr. Elam has announced to the world that every month is a potential “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” for him. Even if the “Violent Bitch” in question is less than half his size. In a post that he insists is super serious, he writes:

I want to offer a few words on this subject, and this time not in satire. I want to convey as honestly as possible, how I feel on the subject of violence between the sexes, from one man’s point of view.

I am 6’8” tall and 285 pounds. If a woman five feet tall and 110 pounds soaking wet hits me, I am going to hit her back.

Now, Elam does stop short of saying he would “beat the living shit” out of this hypothetical tiny woman, but, you know, in the heat of battle with someone less than half his size, he suggests that he might not be able to control his non-satirical fists:

I would do my best to return the violence proportionally, to just use enough force to stop the attack, but I can make no guarantees. Depending on the suddenness of the attack, the level of fear or threat I might feel, the impulse to self-defend in measured amounts is difficult, if not impossible to predict with any accuracy.

So, if there are any tiny ladies out there who might be considering jumping in a pool and then punching Paul Elam, I would suggest you not do that. Of course, I would suggest you not do that even if he weren’t going to hit back, because hitting people is generally a very bad thing.

Don’t worry, dudes – tiny or otherwise – Elam would totally punch you too!

It is the same reaction I would have to a man. No more and no less. The only way to prevent this and the consequences that may result is for people to keep their hands off me.

Presumably this would also apply to bears, giant squids, killer robots and anyone or anything else that tried to put its hands or paws or tentacles on him.

Now, if someone less than half my size were to attack me, and the situation weren’t life-threatening, I might, you know, back off and call the police instead. But apparently, this isn’t an option for men, because we’re all slaves, or something:

Most people who frequent this site know that men who call for help from police when being assaulted by female intimate partners are likely to be arrested for their troubles. … [T]here are prosecutors that will happily give the victim a criminal record and make them pay dearly for having been attacked.

This idea is completely insane on its face. Not only that, it is the closest thing we have today to the mentality of slave owners who could flog their slaves because they were property.

Never mind that women, who make up the vast majority of the victims of severe domestic violence, make up 20% of those arrested for DV. Never mind that even where there are mandatory arrest laws in effect, police still need probable or reasonable cause to show that domestic violence occurred – like physical evidence of injuries – before arresting a suspect. Never mind that even in states with “dual arrrest” policies, only about half of all domestic violence calls result in any arrests.

And never mind that if you use disproportionate force against someone less than half your size – as Elam suggests he very well might do – you deserve to go to jail, and for more than a night. “Beating the living shit” out of someone much smaller than you isn’t actually self-defense at all. It’s beating the living shit out of someone much smaller than you.

Now, Elam isn’t the only Men’s Rights Activist who seems to spend a lot of time imagining scenarios in which it would be ok for them to hit women. It’s a subject that comes up on the Men’s Rights subreddit all the time; the misogynistic douchebags who populate Reddit’s Videos subreddit are if anything even worse. And don’t ever do a Google image search for “equal rights equal lefts” unless you want to be really depressed.

The Men’s Rights movement: bravely fighting for the right of men to punch women half their size.

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cloudiah
10 years ago

Well, have an Oreo birthday celebration whenever. EVERY DAY IS YOUR BIRTHDAY, IF YOU WANT IT TO BE (or want an excuse to eat Oreos).

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Yes. Actually, back when I was starting out in recovery, a friend of mine wrote me a card with the words, “Yes, you deserve the Oreos!” in purple marker. Sometimes, I would pull it out, or my friends would quote it when I was having trouble.

I still have that card, but I haven’t needed it in a while now. Oreos have never tasted so good! 😀 (That and cheese. And yogurt. And food in general. I find I actually quite like food, especially when Mac is cooking!)

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Do you actually know anything about actual addiction, beegee?

I’ll go with no, she doesn’t know a goddamn thing about addiction or any addicts. After school specials are not a blueprint for life.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Why, hello, blockquote monster.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Addiction is a thing that can be easily cured by withholding money. It are an assfact.

katz
10 years ago

Whaaaaat? Dare I ask? Seriously, if you can’t find owners for all the animals, what solution is there that’s better than trap/neuter/release?

They’re the trap-and-kill people.

There are some legitimate criticisms of TNR. But here’s the thing: Nobody is actually going to go out and promote a full-scale trap-and-kill program because talk about political suicide; you’re literally suggesting we kill kitties. So all they’re doing is — successfully — hampering TNR programs while themselves doing absolutely nothing to address the problem.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

And yet, she still keeps acting like she knows the solution.

God save me from people who flap their jaws on things they know nothing about.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Also, being forced to walk around with dirty hair and teeth, possibly bleeding all over your clothes, is guaranteed to boost self esteem, thus making the process of fighting addiction so much easier. This is a foolproof plan, why did nobody think of it before?

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: cassandrakitty

Addiction is a thing that can be easily cured by withholding money. It are an assfact.

Well, gee golly and willikers, ma’am! I’ve been told that withholding money cures disability, unemployment, and homelessness too! Boy, I sure am glad we have this magical panacea to cure all the world’s ills!

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I bet beegee’s hell on needle exchange. I’m pretty sure addicts don’t deserve clean needles either.

katz
10 years ago

LBT, enjoy those Oreos. You deserve all the Oreos you want. (And it is a GLBT-friendly company, so feel good about it!) (Yes, I used that ad as a justification to go buy Oreos.)

katz
10 years ago

I’ve been told that withholding food boosts kids’ school performance, too!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Truly there is no problem that can’t be solved via the application of a little smug superiority.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

If withholding money’s such a cure-all, more CEOs should be taking pay cuts. It would shape them right up.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

LBT:

The only thing better than trap/neuter/release is trap/neuter/rabies vaccination/release.

I would love if that could be implemented.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: hellkell

I bet beegee’s hell on needle exchange. I’m pretty sure addicts don’t deserve clean needles either.

Psh, HIV? Only BAD addicts get that! And who cares about the toll on the rest of society, the important thing is, we have to show those addicts how much we care!

If withholding money’s such a cure-all, more CEOs should be taking pay cuts.

God, I wish. I used to feel like a parasite on the ass of humanity… until I realized that what I live on in a year (less than $10,000) is what a CEO makes in… hell, I don’t even know. A month?

RE: katz

Actually, the LGBT-friendliness does help, though I try and tell myself even if they weren’t, it’s okay. (Part of my eating disorder was food being escalated to morals, which is part of why I get pretty edgy around evangelical vegans.)

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

LBT: When you consider corporate welfare, you are nowhere in the same zip code as a parasite. You deserve your benefits and Oreos.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I would have done my best to shut that shit from beegee down anyway, but if it’s making LBT feel guilty about getting benefits? Well, there’s another reason not to tolerate the smug.

Ally S
10 years ago

Speaking of shitty policies imposed on people in need, here in Santa Cruz you aren’t allowed to get food stamps if you’re homeless. I wish I was fucking joking.

Ally S
10 years ago

Like, a friend of mine literally called the food stamps office and asked about what she should do if she is homeless and therefore doesn’t have proof of residence, and the person on the other end hung up without even answering. Life is hell for homeless people in SC.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

What a fine example of governmental logic.

Ally S
10 years ago

There’s more: A homeless disabled man in SC had to pay a fine of $400 for tresspassing. Apparently walking down a popular street downtown while being visibly homeless and disabled is a reason to be treated like shit by the police. The police in SC are merciless towards homeless people, even people who just “look” homeless. I’ve been harassed by cops as well just for having the audacity to sleep for a minute in the library. (Yes, there are cops in the local library that actively walk around, harassing anyone who might be trying to go to sleep.)

There are also anti-homeless spikes in many areas that homeless people would normally sleep in, no one is allowed to use blankets in public, and the underpasses next to the major river have built-in speakers which, at night, emit a sound so painful that no homeless person can sleep there peacefully.

Why is all of this happening? SC is becoming a white buji tourist city, and the folks in power don’t like SC’s image of being drug-friendly and homeless-friendly. So their solution is to “Take Back Santa Cruz”, as they say, by cracking down on evil creatures such as homeless mothers covering their children with blankets.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

@Ally S

WTF is the logic?

katz
10 years ago

The only thing better than trap/neuter/release is trap/neuter/rabies vaccination/release.

I would love if that could be implemented.

FixNation does that 🙂

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Speaking of shitty policies imposed on people in need, here in Santa Cruz you aren’t allowed to get food stamps if you’re homeless. I wish I was fucking joking.

I thought that was everywhere.
Food stamps won’t pay for prepared food.
You are supposed to have access to a kitchen so that you have a place to prepare food.

Like there’s not stuff at a grocery store you could prepare outdoors…Bureaucratic logic at its finest.

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