So I did an interview about my Confused Cats Against Feminism blog with Catster.com, a site that devotes itself to collecting “helpful and hilarious information for the worldly but still infatuated Cat aficionado.” Alas, as a result of publishing this interview with me yesterday, they now seem to be collecting angry MRA commenters as well.
Here are some highlights of the, er, debate so far, which I’ve waded into myself, perhaps unwisely. (These are selections, with a bunch missing, though the comments that look obviously like they are responses to other comments, are.) Maeve Connor is the author of the post about me.
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Here, by the way, are some of the not-belittling, all-inclusive, non-mocking contributors to Women Against Feminism.
I’m just taking a wild guess here, but I’m pretty sure none of these gals are “tweens.”
@brooked: gah, I just looked at Martin’s feed. The ignorance of the man is just stunning. ROFL at the sidebar bit about how he sued the Gender Studies department, love the way that’s still there even though the case was thrown out as being without merit.
Heeeey I just discovered that giant banner on the right linking to CCAF!!!
Anyone else simles at te thought having such a refreshing brain bleach just one click away?
I hope these Confused Furrinati live long and prosper <3
“*As opposed to the maggots, who are in dead Ernest.*As opposed to the maggots, who are in dead Ernest.”
Robert, I know where you stole that one. Even when fresh it was a putrid pun.
I’ve been chuckling to myself at work over those poor cats being indoctrinated into feminism. I can’t even teach my cats to use the toilet instead of the litterbox, and David’s teaching them philosophy, social justice, and politics?! That is next-level stuff, I tell you what.
Also, in reference to emilygoddess’s comment about MRAs parroting words without understanding what they mean, I immediately thought of this:
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTCXy6VQ_c%5D
Katz, I will happily post your cats; I must have missed them. Could your resend the pic(s) and info, either by email or on tumblr?
Brooked, yeah, Tom Martin is obsessed. I’ve been motsly ignoring him, though I did make a couple of tweets tonight responding to his bullshit.
Let us all express our awe and wonder at David’s next-level cat training skills. I have trained my cat to understand that an annoyed tone of voice means “stop doing that”, but teaching her what feminism is? Hats off to you, sir.
Wait, what’s Tom going on about now? He should apply for a masters in grudge-holding, he might actually make it through more than a couple of terms of that one before flunking out.
Is Tom actually accusing David of “saying that child prostitutes have personal agency”? (except being an MRA he doesn’t use “prostitutes”) Really? That is some ridiculous hypocrisy there.
What is “patriarchal reversal”, class?
The latest tweet was a retweet of a claim that the Indian budget for the current financial year has allocated money to women and children but not men. I found a summary of the budget here, but I have no idea what Plan and Unplan expenditure is for a prospective budget: http://indiabudget.nic.in/ub2014-15/bag/bag3.pdf
Clearly, all those monies going to government organisations, which will include employee salaries and wages, plus the pensions money (let alone dollars allocated to healthcare, etc) will not include a single rupee spent on men as there are no male police officers, defence force staff, doctors, and no males who use healthcare services or collect pensions.
How the hell did Tom Martin ever get accepted into a postgraduate program at the LSE? How did he pass his undergraduate degree?
* Sorry, terms used are “Non-Plan” and “Plan”.
Thanks, David, I resubmitted them earlier today.
So, all of the government programs that don’t specifically say they’re about women and children are not about men and will not benefit men, and we know this because, um, hard chairs?
It’s the whore penguins I tell you, because (in a whisper) they wrote the budget.
Patriarchal reversal: is that when the magnetic poles reverse and all our electronics stuff stops working? Or is it simply when men can’t come home to a wife-cooked dinner?
Hey, Katz, I found your kitties and will put them up tomorrow (well, technically, later today, at least in my time zone). Do you want me to include your email in the post, or should I have them contact you through me?
Through you would be great, this being the internet and a feminist blog and such.
Anyone else think its odd that K Pow sounded almost like a radfem (no, not quite…but still)? Are the TERFs merging with the MRAs? We’re doomed!
No, K Pow does not sound like a radfem. You sure do sound like a dumbass, though.
Someone submitted this anonymously to CCAF; I thought it would make more sense to discuss it here, because CCAF is pretty much devoted to just pics, and because discussions on tumblr can become really confusing and unwieldy due to the format.
I’m not quite sure what to say about this. For one thing, 90% of the submissions I post on CCAF are coming from women; I’ve posted two pics of my own cats, and otherwise limit myself to brief jokey comments.
For another, it seems weird to consider female antifeminists off limits for me to critique; I criticize women like Karen Straughan, Janet Bloomfield, etc etc all the time here.
I mean, obviously don’t want to lecture women about their lived experience, but JB calling women whores, and the women whose pics I included in the OP here who are calling feminists ugly, weak-minded sluts? Why shouldn’t I point out that they’re being asses?
Katz, you got it.
It’s still misogyny if it’s coming from a woman.
Other women can disagree, but I’ve never been dogmatic about who in the movement is allowed to say or do what. I find those kind of hard and fast rules unhelpful.
It’s a silly rabbithole. Do we criticise male-run organisations that sell website space to feminists because the website space is not being purchased from feminists? Do we criticise male publishers for publishing feminist books?
While you’re obviously doing some vetting of submissions (and two from me haven’t made it /sob), it sounds like most of that is to prevent offensive content coming through.
You’re also not preventing any female from going out and doing something similar.
Also, the point is mockery.
So I don’t think the criticism is fair. But then I’m not Dawkins or a Dawkins acolyte so obviously I can’t logic.
If it was a site full of only male comments on why women need feminism then I’d see their point, but most of the submissions are coming from women, so David is basically just curating and posting them.