The Catster Debates: Or, I inadvertently bring MRAs to an innocent cat website

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Some of the most misogynistic drivel I read comes from the very people who claim to be fighting fighting against misogyny but make it very clear that they view women and to weak and stupid to be accountable for their own actions.

Oh look, someone has read one of the hundreds (thousands?) of articles where a conservative writers denounces progressivism, including feminism, as a “cult of victimization”. You can find those articles next to the ones describing how conservatives are victims of PC culture, liberals, MSM, leftists, anti-Christian types, anti-whites POC and cultural Marxism. It’s all very true, fresh and exciting stuff. ZZZZZZZZZ…

Basically what this bullshit is saying is, “If you don’t agree with us it’s because you’re too stupid and weak to make your own decisions.”

Wrap your head around the lunacy of that statement for a second. The arrogance is matched only by the complete lack of self-awareness.

Now, I know someone’s out there is thinking about saying something like, “But if you’re against feminism it’s only because you either hate women or you don’t actually understand it’s message.”

No. That’s bullshit. I’m all for treating animals decently. I don’t support Peta. I support unionized labor. That doesn’t mean I support all labor unions.

Feminism has become more than just an ideology. It is a movement and those in charge of steering the bus have lost their minds. I feel bad for oldschool and traditional feminists because their movement has been taken over by hate-filled bigots. Some of the most misogynistic drivel I read comes from the very people who claim to be fighting fighting against misogyny but make it very clear that they view women and to weak and stupid to be accountable for their own actions.

Look, I’m not an expert on the English language. I am barely comprehendible in real life, and I spend a good part of my time doing completely pointless things that will benefit no one but a few people in the long run.

What I’m saying here is, I’m not a model of a perfect citizen.

Yet if I can impart just… one thing. ONE THING, to other people, it’s this.

Now, I know someone’s out there is thinking about saying something like, “But if you’re against feminism it’s only because you either hate women or you don’t actually understand it’s message.”

No. That’s bullshit. I’m all for treating animals decently. I don’t support Peta. I support unionized labor. That doesn’t mean I support all labor unions.

For the love of everything holy.

it’s only because you either hate women or you don’t actually understand it’s message.”

When you talk about feminism, your support or your opposition to it, and whether or whether not you agree with the tenets of general first, second, third, fourth, ninth wave femnism

No. That’s bullshit. I’m all for treating animals decently. I don’t support Peta.

please never ever ever segue into anything related to animal wellfare.

Just don’t.
Please.

I know what you THINK you said was that you support animal wellfare, but you don’t support PETA, because you have problems with their organizational principles. And so it is for you with Feminism, you support female empowerment, but you don’t follow through with that support on all the ideas of feminism because you disagree with X Y Z.

But what it reads like is this:

Now, I know someone’s out there is thinking about saying something like, “But if you’re against feminism it’s only because you either hate women or you don’t actually understand it’s message.”

No. That’s bullshit. I’m all for treating animals decently.

Do you see what’s wrong here?!

At least give it a single sentence before you launch into your tragically flawed analogy, along the lines of:

Now, I know someone’s out there is thinking about saying something like, “But if you’re against feminism it’s only because you either hate women or you don’t actually understand it’s message.”

No. That’s bullshit. I don’t support PETA either, but I’m all for treating animals decently.

This way, my brain doesn’t end up somewhere half between a terrified scream of outrage, an indignant snort and a riotous amount of laughter.

Please. Consider your syntax!

@Fibi <3

opium4themasses:

The comment is due in part to this fan fiction crossover. (I wrote that as drossover at first and that may be a Freudian slip.)

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/12/fan_ficition_friday_goku_and_anne_frank_in_until_t.php

Holeee shit. Why is this a thing that exists? Why?

Fibinachi: Ha! Or it’s one hell of a Freudian slip, there.

D : Can you name a prominent “oldschool” or “traditional” feminist? Can you name a prominent modern feminist?

Getting REAL TIRED of anti-fem douchebros telling me how good feminism used to be before women started focusing on trivial things, back when they were still fighting for the right to vote and own property.

It’s hard to articulate to Twittertrolls in 140 characters how the modern feminist movement is building on that progress, not selling it out, by continuing the push towards greater equality. A glance at Maslow’s Heirarchy of Needs tells you why issues of subconscious/institutional/structural prejudice weren’t addressed back when women were still fighting to even have a public voice.

“Feminism was great but now it’s gone TOO FAR” is such garbage unless you buy into the idea that women already live in a world where they’ve reached equal footing with men. There’s so much evidence that’s not the case (77c/$1, female representation in upper gov’t/business for just two examples) that it shouldn’t even be a talking point.

@Brooked
and 30 seconds later the conservative who was complaining about Liberals having some sort of victimization culture starts whining about how Christians are totally oppressed because they cant teach creationism or force everyone else to pray or that they might have to show basic human decency to someone who is a minority.

Shorter manosphere: feminism is just a movement that encourages victimhood and sees oppression that isn’t there, but please listen seriously when I tell you how women have been sending men to die in wars for centuries and how they now manipulate men politically, socially, sexually and domestically, and do it all IN SECRET while society is convinced they’re still less fortunate!

But remember, men are rational and women are emotional. *rolls eyes*

@Howard:

I thought the same… Like, how could a movement that wants to open up possibilities accuse non-supporters of being stupid or weak? It’s the “women against feminism” folks that say they aren’t stupid or weak, so they don’t need feminism.

Well, it’s the most action we’ve seen over on Catster in a while, so …

Is it misandry to wonder what the Hell happened to Chi Chi in that fanfic? Oh fanfic loves Australia, it’s where you store young witches and wizards until they inexplicably enrol at Hogwarts in their seventh year.

@ striving…old rich men in power generally have decided to make war, and most women have been horrified they were going to lose the men they loved in said wars. I’m sure there’s been plenty of jingoistic females, but historically, women aren’t the ones that instigated wars, nor did most men, for that matter.
It was people in power. Usually male, old, and whatever that particular era’s version of elite was.

Historical facts…I know…MRM’s have trouble with historical facts.

Women were famously USED to recruit soldiers. At least for WW1, those “Rape of Belgium” propaganda posters comes to mind.
But it’s not like Belgian women themselves were, en masse, asking to have British men sent to die for them. So women were sort of used as ” cover ” for more economic causes for going to war…War is so often about control of resources when you dig down.

Will you be back to hork up some more reality-challenged statements for us?

i had a college professor named Dr. Poon! He was an organic chemist, though, not nearly as funny as a urologist.

@strivingally…shit, I forgot to switch on the sarcasm detector. * feels goofy* What I get for skimming.