CORRECTION: THIS NOTE WAS NOT FROM THE OFFICIAL “WOMEN AGAINST FEMINISM” PAGE; IT WAS FROM A COPYCAT SITE. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO IGNORE IT OR AT LEAST TO LAUGH AT IT FOR THE CORRECT REASON. SORRY!
Just posted this on Confused Cats Against Feminism, but it was too good not to post here as well:
So I just got this curiously impersonal email from the admin at Women Against Feminism. (Gosh! Could it be a form letter?)
Hi David Futrelle,
I wanted to say thanks for writing the article about Women Against Feminism.
Whilst it’s clear that we don’t agree on all points, hearing both sides of the argument will get more people thinking about what they believe in and which set of points they feel aligned with more closely.
This can only be a positive step forward, not only for women, but for society as a whole.
To help get more people thinking about what they really believe, I was wondering if you could make add a link to our new website in your article?
We’re trying to create a centrally located hub where the discussion about Women and Feminism can flourish, with everyone getting a chance to share their opinions, and we believe that a website is the best place to do it.
Would you be able to help facilitate that conversation by adding a link to the site?
The URL is http://womenagainstfeminism.com
Once again, thanks for furthering the discussion about women and feminism through your article. Even though we don’t agree on all the same points, we really appreciate getting these concepts heard and empowering people to make up their own mind.
Many thanks,
[name and email redacted]
So I wrote back:
There already is a central hub for this discussion: http://confusedcatsagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/
Could you redirect all of your traffic there? Thanks!
Now they’re pretending consent requires a written contract, and it has to happen at ever step, even just to sit next to you. According to TAA.
Okay, all of cloudiah’s summaries are making me go WTF, and how wonderful to see that racism got included after trans- and non-binary bigotry. At least the faces of anti-feminism are showing the level of actual bigotry they hold, instead of trying to hide it.
Shit analogy: JB: If I invite you to my house, and I ask you to sit at my table, and I put a plate of food in front of you, that doesn’t mean I’ve consented to feed you.
The actual analogy is that if you invite me to your house, and you ask me to sit at your table, and you put a plate of food in front of me, that doesn’t mean I’ve consented to eat your food.
JB: In a relationship, consent is assumed.
JB: Consent ruins the mood, it’s a boner-killer.
SARKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESIAN is now being discussed.
TAA on SARKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESIAN: Claims she has impossible to meet standards. Pop culture criticism can be construed in any way anyone wants, to fit any ideology. Therefore pop culture criticism is bad.
MRAs: those of you who have been sexually assaulted by a partner, who otherwise were not thrown under the bus by the AVfM spokesperson (i.e. because you’re a cishet white male), you’ve now been thrown under the bus by the AVfM spokesperson. Greatest human rights movement of the 21st century /pukes
Young feminist (Tory?): Culture is reflected in pop culture.
JB: SARKEEEEEEEEEEEESIAN is a hypocrite. Women who wear short shorts at school say “Don’t sexualize me” but a video character wearing short shorts “Oh you just sexualized her.”Anita is also a liar and a thief.
I’ve got to run. This is boring.
Holy shit. I can just imagine Awesomerants’ face rn. I bet she wasn’t expecting to be hit in the face with this after being away from youtube atheism for so long.
Tori did ok and made some good points. I think she may have been falling for the “oh you’re so nice, so not like those other mean girl harpy feminists” thing a bit. She failed to catch JB out on some blatant inaccuracies, such as the fabricated statistics stating men suffer 50% of domestic violence. She didn’t catch JB claiming that men have less rights than women because there are so many more homeless men, and then turning around <15 seconds later and stating these are class issues with no relation to gender. Overall the girl seemed a bit naive and unfamiliar with The usual MRA talking points.
Yeah right, Women Against Feminism is a sure sign that feminism is in deep trouble. Yeah, right. There are just over 15 million women between the ages of 18-24 in the U.S., and 17k likes is just over .1 percent…..so dream on, MRAs.
“JudgyBitch just said that trans and non-binary people are sick and need medical treatment.”
*sigh* should I be glad we got remembered, or upset that that only happens when someone is being a transphobic asshole?
I preferred NWO’s “zie creatures”…calling me something that sounds like it belongs in water is not an insult (to me personally, because FISHHHHHHH!!!)
I also don’t know if I need more or less coffee, I feel like Bender — does he need more or less booze? (The were-car episode)
Especially when they also can’t spell, punctuate, or formulate a coherent argument, and are only out for a “gotcha” to confirm their existing prejudices. What a charmer.
So, I just looked at the AVforM article that I guess earlier said JB was the director of WAF? It just says she’s a “social media driver” of it now.
@grumpycatisagirl Meaning they’ve only changed it in the last hour…
It was a copycat. *snickers*
Yes, tooimpurenangel, your victory is great and your enemy lies broken and defeated before you. Alas, we ask only for your mercy in this, our darkest and most piteous hour, for although we are all David, we are yet but mortal and afraid.
Have mercy on us, oh mighty victor.
This may be my insomnia talking but I’d argue Carodwen is an above-average troll in terms of WTFery entertainment. The “keep politics out of the fight for equal rights” is uniquely wrong, but the overall barrage of questions is pretty magical? So I ask.
Dear gods, JB as “social media driver”! Awaits multiple tweets about wh0res with trepidation.
Saphy, I hate to harsh such wonderful snark, but tooimpureangel is one of the David-ferrets and was probably just making a cat-related joke. It was pretty ambiguously worded, though.
@cloudiah
While this is appalling, it’s also highly amusing in the same way that TERFs are amusing: any understanding of gender that doesn’t involve deconstructing and dismantling the gender binary and the concept of biological sex is completely orthogonal to any initiative focused on reducing gender oppression. It’s like trying to advocate for racial equality while stressing the importance of biological race and “racial purity”.
Also, funny how feminism helped me get over enough of my self-loathing to realize I was a woman! Evil feminism is turning all the “men” into women.
Yeah, I don’t really see how feminism can possibly be divorced from politics. It is political. I know it’s fashionable to hate politics though. It’s just an easy and lazy insult to call someone or something the p word.
Re: taking politics out
I fucking hate this bullshit idea. Everything is politics. Every. Fucking. Thing. If it has even the tiniest bit of relevance to the rest of the world it’s political.
Just because someone refuses to see it doesn’t make it not true. Shit, even “take politics out of X” is a political statement.
I know there’s a ton of awful, awful shit in that video, but this line reported by cloudiah jumped out at me:
This is serious WTF’ery. I cannot think of a single time when, having been fortunate enough to have a woman I was attracted to say she wanted to have sex with me, I immediately suffered erectile dysfunction. In fact, I think I can safely say that it’s always been a turn-on to have something along the lines of, “Oh, yes!” or “Let’s go for it!” or any other sign of affirmation from my partner.
Also, of course, they ignore that what’s required is explicit consent, not necessarily verbal consent. Non-verbal communication can be used for consent, and taken as such, so long as its unambiguous. It doesn’t surprise me that TAA doesn’t get that.