CORRECTION: THIS NOTE WAS NOT FROM THE OFFICIAL “WOMEN AGAINST FEMINISM” PAGE; IT WAS FROM A COPYCAT SITE. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO IGNORE IT OR AT LEAST TO LAUGH AT IT FOR THE CORRECT REASON. SORRY!
Just posted this on Confused Cats Against Feminism, but it was too good not to post here as well:
So I just got this curiously impersonal email from the admin at Women Against Feminism. (Gosh! Could it be a form letter?)
Hi David Futrelle,
I wanted to say thanks for writing the article about Women Against Feminism.
Whilst it’s clear that we don’t agree on all points, hearing both sides of the argument will get more people thinking about what they believe in and which set of points they feel aligned with more closely.
This can only be a positive step forward, not only for women, but for society as a whole.
To help get more people thinking about what they really believe, I was wondering if you could make add a link to our new website in your article?
We’re trying to create a centrally located hub where the discussion about Women and Feminism can flourish, with everyone getting a chance to share their opinions, and we believe that a website is the best place to do it.
Would you be able to help facilitate that conversation by adding a link to the site?
The URL is http://womenagainstfeminism.com
Once again, thanks for furthering the discussion about women and feminism through your article. Even though we don’t agree on all the same points, we really appreciate getting these concepts heard and empowering people to make up their own mind.
Many thanks,
[name and email redacted]
So I wrote back:
There already is a central hub for this discussion: http://confusedcatsagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/
Could you redirect all of your traffic there? Thanks!
Well played, David.
Also, that kitty gif is making the bunny gif my avatar came from look remarkably unproductive.
ha! Well played, and quite interesting as a bit of communication from their Tumblr.
Cute little typing kitty wins the thread.
Pppppffffffffft.
(the only logical response to such an illogical statement)
Once again cats have proven to be more coherent than whoever is running that site.
I feel like this is one of the many occasions when this letter from the lawyer for the Cleveland Browns would be an appropriate response:
(PDF warning)
http://kevinunderhill.typepad.com/Documents/Correspondence/browns_letter_1974.pdf
Note that the letter I’m referring to is the second page of the linked PDF. Not the one on the first page.
This is there new organized “push” against women’s rights discussions…on Twitter a few days ago ( right after the AVFM live YouTube thing I think) the “mensrightsrdt” account was flooding various hashtags with a tweet that went roughly like “Great Read” and had a link to a woman against feminism reddit page #feminism is hate But when you clicked the link..the Woman against feminism thread or sub..idk..was completely empty..No posts..Brand new I guess and was hours later also..the guy on twitter has obviously gotten the “marching orders” to spread Woman against feminism! on social media..but hadn’t apparently checked to see if anyone had posted (or created some) posts to put on it..This is so clearly a organized plan manufacture a social media “trend”
Is the admin at that “women against feminism” page bothering to read their own submissions? Look at this one: “I don’t hate men. I just have nothing good to say about them. Ever.”
(I mean, not that I oppose trolling the page, which that one was obviously doing, but it does make these women against feminism look bloody incompetent.)
maistrechat, that brightened my day. Thanks!
Because nothing says “a centrally located hub where the discussion about Women and Feminism can flourish, with everyone getting a chance to share their opinions” like a site called “women against feminism.”
maistrechat, that letter was amazing, thank you! Also, did anyone else spot the “make add” in the form letter to David? Really, if you’re going to send the same letter to everyone that so much as mentions you online, you should probably bother to proofread it. I’m with Sarah on that point – the whole thing looks sloppy and disorganized.
Wow. The email writer probably busted a nut trying to sound so neutral.
It’s almost as if the writer thought taking on such a laughably neutral tone would make people forget “women against feminism” posted sentiments like, “I’m not a feminist because I like shaving my legs!”
I had no idea you could cram so much hypocrisy into a single mail.
Sarah, that is a picture of Janeane Garofalo, an actress and comedian who is a vocal feminist. She probably made a joke along those lines, and it got put into a meme. It fits with the idea of Women Against Feminsm because it implies all feminists hate men.
@Sarah
There are a few others like that. I don’t think they’re people trolling, it seems like anti-feminist tropes. In other words, that “I don’t hate men” image is supposed to represent a feminist. If you scroll down, you can also see the picture of a woman with a low cut dress and ‘slut’ written on her chest, with the caption “stop objectifying me”. Or another one with “Gender roles are oppression. Now let me tell you how to be a real man”.
They’re just standard MRA tropes.
David, you do realise that JB is “the director of Women Against Feminism”? You couldn’t make this up!
http://www.donotlink.com/framed?66990
I’m just surprised the letter wan’t littered with “wh0re”s…
Dear RECIPIENT,
I am a big fan of your very popular, high traffic website, WEBSITE-NAME.COM. I believe we can foster a healthy discussion on this subject on my website, no matter what people believe. It will be very empowering and neutral and intellectual. Please remove all of your website’s content and just post a giant link to my totally neutral discussion website, Women-Are-Dumb-And-I-Hate-Them.biz.
Thank You!
The JB connection makes the whole “plz link to us plz omg we’re so lonely over here” thing even funnier.
“Director?” So much for being a grassroots thing XD
LOL! Hey, discussion and debate is always good! And you have to laugh about the whole thing. I mean, even anti-fems are being drawn to the mammoth hunters and the confused cats.
OK, magnesium wins the internet for today.
titianblue, OMG, I can’t wait for those TV appearances. I hope she’s as eloquent and professional on TV as she is online!
Someone with a higher tolerance for bullshit than me could probably wreck them by finding enough fiverr people posts.
Also a HEY LOOK AT THE TRASH THAT RUNS IT post because JB would repel a lot of the “i have no idea what feminism actually is” types who are just sadly ignorant