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Richard Dawkins opens mouth, inserts foot, mumbles something about "mild pedophilia" again

A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.
A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.

Apparently Richard Dawkins was worried that people might have forgotten what an asshat he is. So, helpful fellow that he is, he decided to give us all a demonstration of why he’s one of the atheist movement’s biggest liabilities, a “humanist” who has trouble remembering to act human.

Earlier today Dawkins decided, for some reason, that he needed to remind the people of the world of a fairly basic point of logic, and so he took to Twitter and thumbed out this little thought:

 Richard Dawkins @RichardDawkins  ·  5h  X is bad. Y is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of X, go away and don't come back until you've learned how to think logically.

However petulantly phrased this is, the basic logic is sound: If I say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I’m not endorsing either Hitler or Stalin. Unless I add “and Stalin was totally awesome and I endorse him” at the end.

The trouble is that Dawkins didn’t stop with this one tweet. He decided to illustrate his point with some examples. Some really terrible examples.

    Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h      Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think.     Details         Reply         189 Retweet         287 Favorite  Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins  Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think.Yep, that’s right. He decided to do what comedians call a “callback” to some terrible comments he made last year about what he perversely described as “mild pedophilia.” And then he added asshattery to asshattery by suggesting a similar distinction between “date rape” and “stranger rape.”

Anyone seeing these comments as insensitive twaddle designed to minimize both “mild” pedophilia and date rape has good reason to do so. As you may recall, in the earlier controversy about so-called “mild” pedophilia, Dawkins told an interviewer for the Times magazine that

I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today.

He went on to tell the interviewer that when he was a child one of his school masters had “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts.” But, he added, he didn’t think that this sort of “mild touching up” had done him, or any of the classmates also victimized by the teacher, any “lasting harm.”

Huh. If Dawkins says that a teacher groping him was no big deal, I guess this kind of “mild” abuse shouldn’t be a big deal for anyone else, either, huh?

I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of logical fallacy here.

Given his history of minimizing these “mild” sexual crimes, it’s not a surprise that his crass tweets today inspired a bit of a twitterstorm.

Dawkins has responded with his typical petulance, and has stubbornly defended his comments as an exercise in pure logic that his critics are too irrational to understand.

If you take a few moments to go through his timeline you’ll find many more tweets and retweets reiterating this “argument.” Dawkins is not the sort of person to admit to mistakes. Indeed, he so regularly puts his foot in his mouth it’s hard not to conclude that he must like the taste of shoe leather.

But these recurring controversies can’t be doing much for his reputation. Indeed, they seem to cause more and more people to wonder why anyone takes Dawkins seriously on any subject other than biology. Even his critics on Twitter are growing a bit weary.

https://twitter.com/somegreybloke/status/494045464308629505

https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/494044606342782977

https://twitter.com/endorathewitch/status/494071064008597504

Seems like it. I’m beginning to wonder why any atheists — at least those who are not also asshats — continue to think of Dawkins as an ally of any kind.

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GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

Solidified coffee candy sounds good. Can this please be a Real Thing?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Vietnamese coffee candy is a thing, and it is very tasty.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

yeah for the Very Important Institute of Important Sciency Stuff!! I’m quiting my day and night job!

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

Vietnamese coffee candy? I wish to learn more. May I please subscribe to your newsletter?

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

When I got my front titanium tooth implant (covered by worker’s compensation, teeth issues due to accident) I asked my then-dentist if there was any food I needed to avoid. I almost cried when he said coffee. He was very surprised I was so upset, and then said, Toffee, I said toffee.

🙂

Ally S
10 years ago

My association of toffee with coffee was so obsessive that I identified toffee as “adult candy” (because coffee was an “adult drink” to me), and so I developed a scathing hatred for toffee.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

@ pallygirl – Avoiding toffee is bad. Avoiding coffee is impossible.

katz
10 years ago

yeah for the Very Important Institute of Important Sciency Stuff!! I’m quiting my day and night job!

You can publish the results at Pres. J. Sci. Psych.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

@ Ally S – but you are an adult now. You could have one little nibble of toffee…

pecunium
10 years ago

re coffee and Britain: During the run up to D-Day a lot of yanks were sent to the South of England to train. They got handbooks about the local culture. One the lessons was, “the British don’t know how to make a decent cup of coffee, that’s ok, you don’t know how to make a proper cup of tea.”

Ally S
10 years ago

No worries – I am now a proud toffee fanatic.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Oh my. Look at this: Neil deGrasse Tyson in his college days.

::fans self::

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

Katz, thank-you so very much for introducing me to this Very Important Sciency Stuff Totes Legitimate Journal! I look forward to my first published Very Important Sciency Stuff Thingy. I better go eat more candy. For science.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

How does one make one’s sideburns grow horizontally?

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

@GrumpyOldNurse: I thought you were on my side, but you’re Dawkinsing me too. At least, I think it’s the Canadian version of Dawkinsing. And you never apologised, so yes it is the Canadian variant.

Look, I can prove evolution without being a biologist.

katz
10 years ago

I love his T-shirt. Real men wear shirts with sparkly stars on them.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

cassandra – trimming. Scary to think how much beard he might be able to grow if he didn’t shave. He could probably do a Hagrid.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

I’m Canadian. I’m on everyone’s side! Sorry! Sorry for that last ‘sorry’, it lacked depth! Very sorry.

Shadow
Shadow
10 years ago

@Cassandra

It’s the top part of your beard. I tried to do that but my beard tends to be too sparse that high up

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

NDT as Hagrid?

::fans self::

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

I love that super-tiny neat line of moustache. Facial hair win, he has it.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Wow, points for effort then. That’s a lot of trimming

Meanwhile, speaking of hair, um, check your email.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

I can see another study for the Journal here: a totes objective investigation of which hot dudes should play Hagrid.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

He’s a handsome man, no doubt about that, I’m just boggling over how much time and effort it would take to grow and maintain those sideburns.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

Geez, guys, I’ve been up too long. I’m starting to hallucinate.

Thanks, all, for a lovely evening!

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