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Richard Dawkins opens mouth, inserts foot, mumbles something about "mild pedophilia" again

A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.
A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.

Apparently Richard Dawkins was worried that people might have forgotten what an asshat he is. So, helpful fellow that he is, he decided to give us all a demonstration of why he’s one of the atheist movement’s biggest liabilities, a “humanist” who has trouble remembering to act human.

Earlier today Dawkins decided, for some reason, that he needed to remind the people of the world of a fairly basic point of logic, and so he took to Twitter and thumbed out this little thought:

 Richard Dawkins @RichardDawkins  ·  5h  X is bad. Y is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of X, go away and don't come back until you've learned how to think logically.

However petulantly phrased this is, the basic logic is sound: If I say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I’m not endorsing either Hitler or Stalin. Unless I add “and Stalin was totally awesome and I endorse him” at the end.

The trouble is that Dawkins didn’t stop with this one tweet. He decided to illustrate his point with some examples. Some really terrible examples.

    Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h      Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think.     Details         Reply         189 Retweet         287 Favorite  Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins  Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think.Yep, that’s right. He decided to do what comedians call a “callback” to some terrible comments he made last year about what he perversely described as “mild pedophilia.” And then he added asshattery to asshattery by suggesting a similar distinction between “date rape” and “stranger rape.”

Anyone seeing these comments as insensitive twaddle designed to minimize both “mild” pedophilia and date rape has good reason to do so. As you may recall, in the earlier controversy about so-called “mild” pedophilia, Dawkins told an interviewer for the Times magazine that

I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today.

He went on to tell the interviewer that when he was a child one of his school masters had “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts.” But, he added, he didn’t think that this sort of “mild touching up” had done him, or any of the classmates also victimized by the teacher, any “lasting harm.”

Huh. If Dawkins says that a teacher groping him was no big deal, I guess this kind of “mild” abuse shouldn’t be a big deal for anyone else, either, huh?

I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of logical fallacy here.

Given his history of minimizing these “mild” sexual crimes, it’s not a surprise that his crass tweets today inspired a bit of a twitterstorm.

Dawkins has responded with his typical petulance, and has stubbornly defended his comments as an exercise in pure logic that his critics are too irrational to understand.

If you take a few moments to go through his timeline you’ll find many more tweets and retweets reiterating this “argument.” Dawkins is not the sort of person to admit to mistakes. Indeed, he so regularly puts his foot in his mouth it’s hard not to conclude that he must like the taste of shoe leather.

But these recurring controversies can’t be doing much for his reputation. Indeed, they seem to cause more and more people to wonder why anyone takes Dawkins seriously on any subject other than biology. Even his critics on Twitter are growing a bit weary.

https://twitter.com/somegreybloke/status/494045464308629505

https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/494044606342782977

https://twitter.com/endorathewitch/status/494071064008597504

Seems like it. I’m beginning to wonder why any atheists — at least those who are not also asshats — continue to think of Dawkins as an ally of any kind.

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kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

I too will declare way on peas. And broad beans. And corn.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Worst peas of all, total way: mint peas.

lurkerina
10 years ago

Wait, there is chocolate water? Wuh? Huh? How does that even?

Also a source of confusion – people like lima beans?

Ally S
10 years ago

mint peas

mint peas

MINT PEAS??????

cloudiah
10 years ago

I need to add “way” to the welcome package, don’t I?

I am going to sleep, and dreaming of WAY.

Ally S
10 years ago

Lima beans are terrible because my fellow 5th graders once told me so. :: grabs toy labrys ::

cloudiah
10 years ago

WHO SEASONS PEAS WITH MINT? SEND THEM TO ME!!!

Ally S
10 years ago

If way means war, then what does it, in fact, mean to go one’s way? Is there now a new meaning of MGTOW philosophy that has been revealed?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I hate broccoli in all of its manifestations.

At last. A fellow broccoli hater! The smell makes me feel sick.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

So is that peas in mint sauce, or…

Ally S
10 years ago

Eating broccoli feels like a punishment for existing on the earth.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I think that means that Fleetwood Mac were secretly attempting to incite their fans to revolt against the government.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I not only declare way on those who dislike broccoli, I insist that they eat gai lan (Chinese broccoli) too!

Now I’m atheisting right.

Ally S
10 years ago

I now feel compelled to write a Marxist-inspired version of Go Your Own Way’s lyrics.

Ally S
10 years ago

Broccoli is one of those things I ate as a kid in front of adults so that they could stop lecturing me about how unhealthy I am. It was a tool, not a food.

lurkerina
10 years ago

Welp, my internet connection is acting up. I think that is a sign that I should go to bed. I look forward to reading several hundred more comments about food tomorrow.

Thanks Mammotheers!

Ally S
10 years ago

Night, lurkerina! :>

lurkerina
10 years ago

Night Ally 🙂

Solidarity in peanut butter m&m love!

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

cloudiah: Smarties are bad. Lima beans are worse. If you think this is an endorsement of lima beans, you LOGIC BAD!!!!1!!11!!!!

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

BROCCOLI 4EVAH!!!!!1!!!!!!

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

Good night, lurkerina! Have sweet nomnom dreams.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Spinach is good. Chard is better. If you think I’m endorsing spinach… oh, wait.

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

Broccoli is ugh. It might be tolerable on pizza, but only with enough other stuff around it.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Way on anyone who puts broccoli on a pizza. Neither the pizza nor the broccoli will be improved by combining them.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Mint peas.

FROZEN mint peas.

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