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Richard Dawkins opens mouth, inserts foot, mumbles something about "mild pedophilia" again

A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.
A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.

Apparently Richard Dawkins was worried that people might have forgotten what an asshat he is. So, helpful fellow that he is, he decided to give us all a demonstration of why he’s one of the atheist movement’s biggest liabilities, a “humanist” who has trouble remembering to act human.

Earlier today Dawkins decided, for some reason, that he needed to remind the people of the world of a fairly basic point of logic, and so he took to Twitter and thumbed out this little thought:

 Richard Dawkins @RichardDawkins  ·  5h  X is bad. Y is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of X, go away and don't come back until you've learned how to think logically.

However petulantly phrased this is, the basic logic is sound: If I say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I’m not endorsing either Hitler or Stalin. Unless I add “and Stalin was totally awesome and I endorse him” at the end.

The trouble is that Dawkins didn’t stop with this one tweet. He decided to illustrate his point with some examples. Some really terrible examples.

    Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h      Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think.     Details         Reply         189 Retweet         287 Favorite  Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins  Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think.Yep, that’s right. He decided to do what comedians call a “callback” to some terrible comments he made last year about what he perversely described as “mild pedophilia.” And then he added asshattery to asshattery by suggesting a similar distinction between “date rape” and “stranger rape.”

Anyone seeing these comments as insensitive twaddle designed to minimize both “mild” pedophilia and date rape has good reason to do so. As you may recall, in the earlier controversy about so-called “mild” pedophilia, Dawkins told an interviewer for the Times magazine that

I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today.

He went on to tell the interviewer that when he was a child one of his school masters had “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts.” But, he added, he didn’t think that this sort of “mild touching up” had done him, or any of the classmates also victimized by the teacher, any “lasting harm.”

Huh. If Dawkins says that a teacher groping him was no big deal, I guess this kind of “mild” abuse shouldn’t be a big deal for anyone else, either, huh?

I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of logical fallacy here.

Given his history of minimizing these “mild” sexual crimes, it’s not a surprise that his crass tweets today inspired a bit of a twitterstorm.

Dawkins has responded with his typical petulance, and has stubbornly defended his comments as an exercise in pure logic that his critics are too irrational to understand.

If you take a few moments to go through his timeline you’ll find many more tweets and retweets reiterating this “argument.” Dawkins is not the sort of person to admit to mistakes. Indeed, he so regularly puts his foot in his mouth it’s hard not to conclude that he must like the taste of shoe leather.

But these recurring controversies can’t be doing much for his reputation. Indeed, they seem to cause more and more people to wonder why anyone takes Dawkins seriously on any subject other than biology. Even his critics on Twitter are growing a bit weary.

https://twitter.com/somegreybloke/status/494045464308629505

https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/494044606342782977

https://twitter.com/endorathewitch/status/494071064008597504

Seems like it. I’m beginning to wonder why any atheists — at least those who are not also asshats — continue to think of Dawkins as an ally of any kind.

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pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

hellkell, that’s just accommodationism writ large!

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Aren’t Smarties the tiny sour-ish candies like Sweet-Tarts? Those are good.

Ally S
10 years ago

The labrys is a symbol of radical feminism. It’s associated strongly with misandry, and I want it so I can piss off the MRAs. I’m mature like that.

Ally S
10 years ago

(I mean a labrys t-shirt)

cloudiah
10 years ago

OMdog, I have to say this comment section does not include a SUPER SERIOUS discussion of feminism and therefore FEMINISM is proven wrong.

I’m just anticipating future trolls.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Sounds like Whole Foods have mistaken rice for glue.

pallygirl, chocolate covered with candy? Ick.

Monte biscuits are my favourite things at the moment. Plain dark chocolate biscuits, yum.

Apart from Cheddar Shapes, that is. Good of the supermarket to have boxes for $1.30. (Why yes, my pantry is overflowing with them, thank you for asking.)

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

pallygirl, I love them both. About the only vegetables I can’t stand are peas and lima beans. Way!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Other things that have confused me and that I’ve declared way on recently – chocolate coconut water. Coconut water is fine, though the stuff from Thailand or Taiwan is much better than what you can get at TJs or whatever, and chocolate is great, but chocolate flavored water? WTF?

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

No, Smarties are… chocolatey… kinda. Hm, has been years since I had those, come to think of it.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I feel the need to mention bon bons at this point.

Ally S
10 years ago

Chocolate flavored water…sounds kind of like Yoohoo, which I actually like a lot.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Smarties are chocolate with a candy coating. Like M&Ms but with better chocolate and a higher chocolate to coating ratio.

cloudiah
10 years ago

@Ally, did you overlap at all with Manjaw the Mighty? I think she had a labrys.

Good times.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

@hellkell: not even fresh peas, from shelling? Don’t ever put me in charge of shelling peas, I eat more than I put into the bowl.

Ally S
10 years ago

Also, every time I try to get vanilla ice cream and top it with Nutella, I am left profoundly unfulfilled and melancholic. How the fuck am I supposed to make a chocolate sauce out of it???

Ally S
10 years ago

I don’t know why MRAs ignore the most important issues – you know, like protesting the creation of chocolate water.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

(Okay, I’m thinking of candy as something more elaborate than just the hard-covered chocolates like Smarties and M&Ms, obvs … carry on.)

hellkell, Smarties are just hard-coated milk chocolate. They’ve been here much longer than M&Ms.

Ally S
10 years ago

US Smarties are good, too. They kind of remind me of medice because of their appearance and texture, though.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I LOVE LIMA BEANS.

:: sends eye beam death rays towards hellkell ::

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

pallygirl, BLECH NO. If this means way, I’m sorry.

lurkerina
10 years ago

Mmmmm…. cheddar and broccoli, spinach in all its forms, but especially either raw or saag.
*drool*

I learned a while back the Canadian Smarties are not, in fact, the delicious, addictive little tart, chewable candies similar to Sweet-tarts. They are instead a gross knock off of m&ms. They are an abomination unto the Lord. Or, since I’m an athiest, an abomination unto good taste. Since, as an athiest, I am an objective authority on all things.

That last sentence was a topically related snark, in case it didn’t register, since I’m a lurker.

lurkerina
10 years ago

Wow, that thread moved fast…

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

cloudiah: THIS MEANS WAY! Lima eater.

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