Apparently Richard Dawkins was worried that people might have forgotten what an asshat he is. So, helpful fellow that he is, he decided to give us all a demonstration of why he’s one of the atheist movement’s biggest liabilities, a “humanist” who has trouble remembering to act human.
Earlier today Dawkins decided, for some reason, that he needed to remind the people of the world of a fairly basic point of logic, and so he took to Twitter and thumbed out this little thought:
However petulantly phrased this is, the basic logic is sound: If I say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I’m not endorsing either Hitler or Stalin. Unless I add “and Stalin was totally awesome and I endorse him” at the end.
The trouble is that Dawkins didn’t stop with this one tweet. He decided to illustrate his point with some examples. Some really terrible examples.
Yep, that’s right. He decided to do what comedians call a “callback” to some terrible comments he made last year about what he perversely described as “mild pedophilia.” And then he added asshattery to asshattery by suggesting a similar distinction between “date rape” and “stranger rape.”
Anyone seeing these comments as insensitive twaddle designed to minimize both “mild” pedophilia and date rape has good reason to do so. As you may recall, in the earlier controversy about so-called “mild” pedophilia, Dawkins told an interviewer for the Times magazine that
I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today.
He went on to tell the interviewer that when he was a child one of his school masters had “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts.” But, he added, he didn’t think that this sort of “mild touching up” had done him, or any of the classmates also victimized by the teacher, any “lasting harm.”
Huh. If Dawkins says that a teacher groping him was no big deal, I guess this kind of “mild” abuse shouldn’t be a big deal for anyone else, either, huh?
I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of logical fallacy here.
Given his history of minimizing these “mild” sexual crimes, it’s not a surprise that his crass tweets today inspired a bit of a twitterstorm.
Dawkins has responded with his typical petulance, and has stubbornly defended his comments as an exercise in pure logic that his critics are too irrational to understand.
What I have learned today is that there are people on Twitter who think in absolutist terms, to an extent I wouldn't have believed possible.
— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) July 29, 2014
.@mikester8821 Yes, it is so obvious it is painful. But they aren't debating, they are emoting.
— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) July 29, 2014
If you take a few moments to go through his timeline you’ll find many more tweets and retweets reiterating this “argument.” Dawkins is not the sort of person to admit to mistakes. Indeed, he so regularly puts his foot in his mouth it’s hard not to conclude that he must like the taste of shoe leather.
But these recurring controversies can’t be doing much for his reputation. Indeed, they seem to cause more and more people to wonder why anyone takes Dawkins seriously on any subject other than biology. Even his critics on Twitter are growing a bit weary.
https://twitter.com/somegreybloke/status/494045464308629505
https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/494044606342782977
https://twitter.com/endorathewitch/status/494071064008597504
Good lord. Look at Dawkins feed. Like every third tweet (or sequence) is something deplorable.
— 🦇VaginoplASCII🦇 (@nataliereed84) July 29, 2014
It seems that no matter what point Richard Dawkins tries to make, he only ever ends up proving that Richard Dawkins is a tosspot.
— Steph. 🏳️⚧️ (@EccentricSteph) July 29, 2014
Seems like it. I’m beginning to wonder why any atheists — at least those who are not also asshats — continue to think of Dawkins as an ally of any kind.
You’re a wayfarer, cloudiah – that’s who you are.
Salted caramels are bad. Chilli chocolates are worse. If you think that’s an endorsement of salted caramels, go away and learn how to think.
Waiting on scores from the judges.
“Funny, has this blog become being about bashing New Atheism instead of mocking misogynists while I wasn’t looking?”
*eyes roll off with such speed as to obtain terminal velocity and enter orbit*
As for who Octo is arguin with, the original quotes were pecunium discussing Dawkins. Note that last bit. Where it was about D.A.W.K.I.N.S. not atheism. Unless those are synonyms, there’s no need to go on about how the whole blog is bashing atheism.
Of course…hey Octo? Are you less wrong? (Everyone else, yes, I realize I run the risk of summoning them, but I’m ready for another ten page outline of [TW: holocaust apologia] how heart disease is worse than the holocaust)
Pallygirl, I skimmed your consequalist link, but didn’t see any sort of quiz/test on the hypotheticals. If you have a link to them in standard form, that’d be great, cuz I know them, but not enough in the details, and if there’s an actual quiz thing that exists, a link would make me love you enough to let you eat my double chocolate milanos. (Those are the best, this orange and mint stuff is heresy!)
::fans cloudiah::
Yeah, Starbucks, home of singed coffee. Singed, weak, over-priced coffee. Or at least the Fed Square one is.
I need coffee. Salted caramel tea-flavored coffee with chunks of pumpkin in it.
Omigosh, we’re losing her, get the machine that goes ping.
There are vegetarian jelly beans?? 😀
::Dives under table to avoid war declarations::
This has “absolutely nothing” to do with the stash of sweets under my table that I may or may not have swiped from downstairs and may or may not be caramels.
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Omnomnomnomnom.
@AL3H
Shrodinger’s caramel?
I love Jelly Bellies. Unfortunately the board chair is an enormous asshole who donated money to a campaign to repeal a law that protects the rights of trans students in California. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/jelly-belly-anti-transgender-herman-rowland_n_4176093.html
True fax – first time I walked past a Starbucks I asked my companion if they smelled something burning.
I am at way with Starbucks. Except at Christmas, when they do the peppermint mocha, at which point I am open to a temporary truce.
:: directs drones to AL3H’s possible caramel stash ::
I like Starbucks mainly because I like their frappes, and I love anything that is super sweet and tastes like coffee. I am a simpleton.
I have always been at way with Starbucks.
Oops. Hit post to soon. I meant to add that I’ve been avoiding them since I found that. It’s easy for me boycott Wal Mart, Chick Filet and Dominoes because I don’t like any of those things. This one has hurt a lot though.
Also, in today’s edition of “did you know?”! Did you know that Peet’s brewed coffee has almost twice as much caffeine as Starbucks brewed coffee? This information may come in handy if you’re ever pulling an all-nighter.
Also! Fun fact: estradiol, the stuff I’m taking for my transition, typically amplifies one’s sense of taste and smell. So things taste a lot better these days, and I find myself ever more a prisoner to the scent of delicious foodstuff.
I actually gave away a $5 Starbucks gift card because I hate their coffee so much. But peppermint mocha sounds kind of cool.
:: still hates rosewater ::
:: glares at cassandrakitty ::
If cloudiah has to be carried out of the boxing ring she’ll be a way in a manger.
I really wish we had a Dunkin’ Donuts here. I can get the beans at the store, but it’s not the same. WAH.
My dad once boycotted Starbucks because he found out the owner was in favor of the Israeli apartheid.
Regarding proper atheisting, I heard this many years ago: Nothing makes a non-conformist more angry than another non-conformist who refuses to conform to the prevailing standards of non-conformity.
Your beliefs are your beliefs. If you want to use a label for convenience’s sake, do so, but if you differ from someone else who uses the same label, I don’t see that as a problem. (I was brought up as a Unitarian, meaning that the idea that everyone has a right to decide for themselves what they think about god is official dogma. Apologies to those who prefer catma.)
@ Ally
In that case I would suggest never going to the supermarket while hungry until you get used to it. Who knows what kind of random things you might come home with? Stay far away from any Whole Foods with a hot bar, especially if they make pizza.
Ally, get yourself a Talenti salted caramel now, stat. Take advantage of that amplification to enjoy the hell out of some quality ice cream.
I’ll send you the $6 if necessary. XD
No no get George Clooney and Anthony Edwards and Noah Wyle! They’ll save her!
Wouldn’t that be Schrodinger’s catamel?
I have nothing to add to the conversation. I just wanted to say that I love you all.
You get peanut butter m-and-m’s
And you get peanut butter m-and-m’s
Everyone gets peanut butter m-and-m’s!!!!