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Richard Dawkins opens mouth, inserts foot, mumbles something about "mild pedophilia" again

A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.
A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.

Apparently Richard Dawkins was worried that people might have forgotten what an asshat he is. So, helpful fellow that he is, he decided to give us all a demonstration of why he’s one of the atheist movement’s biggest liabilities, a “humanist” who has trouble remembering to act human.

Earlier today Dawkins decided, for some reason, that he needed to remind the people of the world of a fairly basic point of logic, and so he took to Twitter and thumbed out this little thought:

 Richard Dawkins @RichardDawkins  ·  5h  X is bad. Y is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of X, go away and don't come back until you've learned how to think logically.

However petulantly phrased this is, the basic logic is sound: If I say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I’m not endorsing either Hitler or Stalin. Unless I add “and Stalin was totally awesome and I endorse him” at the end.

The trouble is that Dawkins didn’t stop with this one tweet. He decided to illustrate his point with some examples. Some really terrible examples.

    Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h      Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think.     Details         Reply         189 Retweet         287 Favorite  Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins  Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think.Yep, that’s right. He decided to do what comedians call a “callback” to some terrible comments he made last year about what he perversely described as “mild pedophilia.” And then he added asshattery to asshattery by suggesting a similar distinction between “date rape” and “stranger rape.”

Anyone seeing these comments as insensitive twaddle designed to minimize both “mild” pedophilia and date rape has good reason to do so. As you may recall, in the earlier controversy about so-called “mild” pedophilia, Dawkins told an interviewer for the Times magazine that

I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today.

He went on to tell the interviewer that when he was a child one of his school masters had “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts.” But, he added, he didn’t think that this sort of “mild touching up” had done him, or any of the classmates also victimized by the teacher, any “lasting harm.”

Huh. If Dawkins says that a teacher groping him was no big deal, I guess this kind of “mild” abuse shouldn’t be a big deal for anyone else, either, huh?

I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of logical fallacy here.

Given his history of minimizing these “mild” sexual crimes, it’s not a surprise that his crass tweets today inspired a bit of a twitterstorm.

Dawkins has responded with his typical petulance, and has stubbornly defended his comments as an exercise in pure logic that his critics are too irrational to understand.

If you take a few moments to go through his timeline you’ll find many more tweets and retweets reiterating this “argument.” Dawkins is not the sort of person to admit to mistakes. Indeed, he so regularly puts his foot in his mouth it’s hard not to conclude that he must like the taste of shoe leather.

But these recurring controversies can’t be doing much for his reputation. Indeed, they seem to cause more and more people to wonder why anyone takes Dawkins seriously on any subject other than biology. Even his critics on Twitter are growing a bit weary.

https://twitter.com/somegreybloke/status/494045464308629505

https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/494044606342782977

https://twitter.com/endorathewitch/status/494071064008597504

Seems like it. I’m beginning to wonder why any atheists — at least those who are not also asshats — continue to think of Dawkins as an ally of any kind.

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Ally S
10 years ago

You’re a wayfarer, cloudiah – that’s who you are.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Salted caramels are bad. Chilli chocolates are worse. If you think that’s an endorsement of salted caramels, go away and learn how to think.

Waiting on scores from the judges.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

“Funny, has this blog become being about bashing New Atheism instead of mocking misogynists while I wasn’t looking?”

*eyes roll off with such speed as to obtain terminal velocity and enter orbit*

As for who Octo is arguin with, the original quotes were pecunium discussing Dawkins. Note that last bit. Where it was about D.A.W.K.I.N.S. not atheism. Unless those are synonyms, there’s no need to go on about how the whole blog is bashing atheism.

Of course…hey Octo? Are you less wrong? (Everyone else, yes, I realize I run the risk of summoning them, but I’m ready for another ten page outline of [TW: holocaust apologia] how heart disease is worse than the holocaust)

Pallygirl, I skimmed your consequalist link, but didn’t see any sort of quiz/test on the hypotheticals. If you have a link to them in standard form, that’d be great, cuz I know them, but not enough in the details, and if there’s an actual quiz thing that exists, a link would make me love you enough to let you eat my double chocolate milanos. (Those are the best, this orange and mint stuff is heresy!)

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

::fans cloudiah::

Yeah, Starbucks, home of singed coffee. Singed, weak, over-priced coffee. Or at least the Fed Square one is.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I need coffee. Salted caramel tea-flavored coffee with chunks of pumpkin in it.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Omigosh, we’re losing her, get the machine that goes ping.

AL3H
AL3H
10 years ago

I love Jelly Belly jellybeans because they’re vegetarian

There are vegetarian jelly beans?? 😀

::Dives under table to avoid war declarations::

This has “absolutely nothing” to do with the stash of sweets under my table that I may or may not have swiped from downstairs and may or may not be caramels.

Omnomnomnomnom.

Ally S
10 years ago

@AL3H

Shrodinger’s caramel?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I love Jelly Bellies. Unfortunately the board chair is an enormous asshole who donated money to a campaign to repeal a law that protects the rights of trans students in California. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/jelly-belly-anti-transgender-herman-rowland_n_4176093.html

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

True fax – first time I walked past a Starbucks I asked my companion if they smelled something burning.

I am at way with Starbucks. Except at Christmas, when they do the peppermint mocha, at which point I am open to a temporary truce.

cloudiah
10 years ago

:: directs drones to AL3H’s possible caramel stash ::

Ally S
10 years ago

I like Starbucks mainly because I like their frappes, and I love anything that is super sweet and tastes like coffee. I am a simpleton.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I have always been at way with Starbucks.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Oops. Hit post to soon. I meant to add that I’ve been avoiding them since I found that. It’s easy for me boycott Wal Mart, Chick Filet and Dominoes because I don’t like any of those things. This one has hurt a lot though.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Also, in today’s edition of “did you know?”! Did you know that Peet’s brewed coffee has almost twice as much caffeine as Starbucks brewed coffee? This information may come in handy if you’re ever pulling an all-nighter.

Ally S
10 years ago

Also! Fun fact: estradiol, the stuff I’m taking for my transition, typically amplifies one’s sense of taste and smell. So things taste a lot better these days, and I find myself ever more a prisoner to the scent of delicious foodstuff.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I actually gave away a $5 Starbucks gift card because I hate their coffee so much. But peppermint mocha sounds kind of cool.

:: still hates rosewater ::

:: glares at cassandrakitty ::

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

If cloudiah has to be carried out of the boxing ring she’ll be a way in a manger.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I really wish we had a Dunkin’ Donuts here. I can get the beans at the store, but it’s not the same. WAH.

Ally S
10 years ago

My dad once boycotted Starbucks because he found out the owner was in favor of the Israeli apartheid.

GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

Regarding proper atheisting, I heard this many years ago: Nothing makes a non-conformist more angry than another non-conformist who refuses to conform to the prevailing standards of non-conformity.
Your beliefs are your beliefs. If you want to use a label for convenience’s sake, do so, but if you differ from someone else who uses the same label, I don’t see that as a problem. (I was brought up as a Unitarian, meaning that the idea that everyone has a right to decide for themselves what they think about god is official dogma. Apologies to those who prefer catma.)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

@ Ally

In that case I would suggest never going to the supermarket while hungry until you get used to it. Who knows what kind of random things you might come home with? Stay far away from any Whole Foods with a hot bar, especially if they make pizza.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Ally, get yourself a Talenti salted caramel now, stat. Take advantage of that amplification to enjoy the hell out of some quality ice cream.

I’ll send you the $6 if necessary. XD

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Omigosh, we’re losing her, get the machine that goes ping.

No no get George Clooney and Anthony Edwards and Noah Wyle! They’ll save her!

@AL3H

Shrodinger’s caramel?

Wouldn’t that be Schrodinger’s catamel?

lurkerina
10 years ago

I have nothing to add to the conversation. I just wanted to say that I love you all.

You get peanut butter m-and-m’s
And you get peanut butter m-and-m’s

Everyone gets peanut butter m-and-m’s!!!!

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