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Richard Dawkins opens mouth, inserts foot, mumbles something about "mild pedophilia" again

A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.
A young Richard Dawkins contemplates the beauty of the universe.

Apparently Richard Dawkins was worried that people might have forgotten what an asshat he is. So, helpful fellow that he is, he decided to give us all a demonstration of why he’s one of the atheist movement’s biggest liabilities, a “humanist” who has trouble remembering to act human.

Earlier today Dawkins decided, for some reason, that he needed to remind the people of the world of a fairly basic point of logic, and so he took to Twitter and thumbed out this little thought:

 Richard Dawkins @RichardDawkins  ·  5h  X is bad. Y is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of X, go away and don't come back until you've learned how to think logically.

However petulantly phrased this is, the basic logic is sound: If I say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I’m not endorsing either Hitler or Stalin. Unless I add “and Stalin was totally awesome and I endorse him” at the end.

The trouble is that Dawkins didn’t stop with this one tweet. He decided to illustrate his point with some examples. Some really terrible examples.

    Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h      Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think.     Details         Reply         189 Retweet         287 Favorite  Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins  Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think.Yep, that’s right. He decided to do what comedians call a “callback” to some terrible comments he made last year about what he perversely described as “mild pedophilia.” And then he added asshattery to asshattery by suggesting a similar distinction between “date rape” and “stranger rape.”

Anyone seeing these comments as insensitive twaddle designed to minimize both “mild” pedophilia and date rape has good reason to do so. As you may recall, in the earlier controversy about so-called “mild” pedophilia, Dawkins told an interviewer for the Times magazine that

I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today.

He went on to tell the interviewer that when he was a child one of his school masters had “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts.” But, he added, he didn’t think that this sort of “mild touching up” had done him, or any of the classmates also victimized by the teacher, any “lasting harm.”

Huh. If Dawkins says that a teacher groping him was no big deal, I guess this kind of “mild” abuse shouldn’t be a big deal for anyone else, either, huh?

I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of logical fallacy here.

Given his history of minimizing these “mild” sexual crimes, it’s not a surprise that his crass tweets today inspired a bit of a twitterstorm.

Dawkins has responded with his typical petulance, and has stubbornly defended his comments as an exercise in pure logic that his critics are too irrational to understand.

If you take a few moments to go through his timeline you’ll find many more tweets and retweets reiterating this “argument.” Dawkins is not the sort of person to admit to mistakes. Indeed, he so regularly puts his foot in his mouth it’s hard not to conclude that he must like the taste of shoe leather.

But these recurring controversies can’t be doing much for his reputation. Indeed, they seem to cause more and more people to wonder why anyone takes Dawkins seriously on any subject other than biology. Even his critics on Twitter are growing a bit weary.

https://twitter.com/somegreybloke/status/494045464308629505

https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/494044606342782977

https://twitter.com/endorathewitch/status/494071064008597504

Seems like it. I’m beginning to wonder why any atheists — at least those who are not also asshats — continue to think of Dawkins as an ally of any kind.

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kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

It wasn’t me who made the first arguments.

Who, pray tell, was having an argument? GrumpyOldMan and I were talking about stuff we happened to agree on.

I’ve never got the thing about salted caramel. First time I saw it mentioned was in a Starbucks in LA and the idea was just URGH because I really dislike the combination of sweet and salt. So, how does it actually taste? Does it work to lessen caramel’s extreme sweetness?

Ally S
10 years ago

I have just discovered Cadbury’s Chocolate, Peanut Butter and Pretzel’s bars. Shit just got real

need need need need need need need need need need need need need

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Wait, you don’t like rosewater? Sorry, cloudiah, but we must now become sworn enemies. Also, let me explain why your dislike of rosewater is dumb, emotional, and overall indicative of your lack of superior awesomeness.

cloudiah
10 years ago

@Shadow, are those good? I have a knee-jerk reaction against anything Godiva because they were the “premium chocolate” in the 90s and they were terrible then.

@Ally, I got some cookie butter. The texture confuses me.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

:: cries and runs away because cloudiah’s scary ::

What is marshmellow cream? http://www.tootsie.com/recipes

And toffee is okay, but severely disappointing if one was expecting Russian fudge.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I’m not saying cookie butter is bad, just that I’m not sure what to do with it.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I wonder if the shop in the Castro that makes rose fudge is still there, I haven’t been in a while.

Ally S
10 years ago

Cookie butter isn’t something that can be utilized in a logical way. That’s why Richard Dawkins hates it.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I would recommend orange milanos too. Orange and chocolate is one of my favorite combos. This German restaurant near my place makes a delicious chocolate orange martini. I’m not sure what the drink has to do with Germany but it’s really good.

cloudiah
10 years ago

:: adopts boxing stance towards cassandrakitty too ::

:: spins in a circle adopting boxing stance towards everyone in vicinity ::

:: adopts boxing stance towards rosewater and beets ::

Ally S
10 years ago

I saw the orange Milano cookies in 7/11 today. I need them.

Also, speaking of delicious things, I wish I could travel a year forward in time and be able to finally try margeritas. The world is so very unfair.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Also I have found I must be a Coffee Degenerate.

I had Nestle’s Decaf the other day (they don’t sell any other decaf at the supermarket ‘cept Homebrand, and I’m not going there) and I liked it.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Okay, so orange milanos, there’s a thing I’ve heard people do (i.e. this is something I do) which is that they (i.e. I) kind of blow on them until the chocolate melts a bit and then they (i.e I) eat them. I hear (i.e. I know) it is fabulous.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

WWTH, have you ever encountered Jaffa Cakes? They’re another orange/chocolate combo, with a spongy cookie on the bottom.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Salted caramel truffles? I have not tried this, but I’m going to.

Has anyone here sampled the Talenti brand salted caramel ice cream? It’s spendy but oh my dog it is good.

Love that stuff. I try not to buy it very often, because I will make myself sick on it.

Kitteh: the salt does balance out the sweet. I like regular caramel, but it is a little too sweet for me. As for salt, I’d put salt on salt if I could. Love the stuff.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I’ve never got the thing about salted caramel.

How dare you!? Now we have to be sworn enemies like Cassandra and Cloudiah now are.

In all seriousness, anyone who does like salt and caramel together should try Ghiradelli sea salt caramel and dark chocolate. Drool.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

All you need to do with cookie butter is grab spoon and dig in.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago
GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

@octo The discussion about atheism was really a sub-discussion of Dawkins’s jerkness. He does seem to be very arrogant about his atheism — saying that god is extremely unlikely is an opinion, but he tends to be pissy to anyone who disagrees with his OPINION.
I don’t think we really are interested in a discussion of New Atheism, especially because NA seems to have an excess of self-identified Superior Intellects.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

FOOD IS ILLOGICAL

STOP EATING THINGS YOU LIKE

cloudiah
10 years ago

Cookie butter isn’t something that can be utilized in a logical way. That’s why Richard Dawkins hates it.

You made me spit out my drink.

:: adopts boxing stance towards Ally, and beets, and rosewater, and cookie butter, and well, everything ::

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
10 years ago

@kittehserf – Salted caramel is like, OMG, drooooooooooooolllllll.

Now I have to wipe drool off my shirt.

cloudiah
10 years ago

:: patents salt-on-salt recipe ::

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I tried Jaffa Cakes from the UK Shop and didn’t like them much, I found their texture odd. Please let us still be friends as I still like lemon sherbets, acid drops, and glacier mints.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

The Starbucks salted caramel thingie was actually better than a lot of their seasonal drinks are (the only one I really like is peppermint mocha).

If anyone likes the pumpkin latte they do during the fall I may have to declare way.

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