You may have run across an image macro going around the internet recently featuring a picture of YouTube ranter and sometime Men’s Rights ally The Amazing Atheist – aka Terroja or TJ Kinkaid – and an appalling quote, supposedly from him, arguing that MRAs should campaign to lower the age of consent, because “[n]ature already has an age of consent. That age is approximately 12-13, otherwise known as the onset of puberty.”
I didn’t post about the quote, appalling as it is, because I couldn’t find any proof that Mr. Kincaid actually wrote or said it; I even searched several of Mr. Kincaid’s books and a document entitled “The Somewhat Complete Ravings of TJ Kincaid” to no avail. Apparently no one else has been able to find the quote either.
If this quote was fabricated, I’m a little puzzled as to why, because Kincaid has actually said very similar things before. Given the confusion about the quote, I thought it might be worth noting what we know he has said on the topic.
In a 2006 posting on a Marilyn Manson fan site, linked to in RationalWiki’s profile of him, a self-identified “atheist libertarian” calling himself Terroja argued that
Having pedophilic attractions doesn’t mean you automatically go out and start molesting kids. From the time I was 14 to the time I was about 19, I used to have extreme pedophilic fantasies, and I somehow managed to never even come close to acting on them. I think with my brain, not my penis.
I do think, however, the pedophilia is unfairly persecuted in today’s society.
I think the difference in punishment between child rapists and child molestors should be more significant, with molestors perhaps simply attending mandatory therapy for their first offense. I also think that the age of sexual consent should be lowered to 12 or 13.
My stance is not designed to be controversial or to offend anyone. I only want human beings to understand that the law must work within the parameters of human nature, not in defiance of it.
In a recent posting on his blog, Kincaid admits that this indeed is something he once believed:
The age of consent thing is based on a post I made on an internet forum when I was like 20. And it was actually a pretty popular sentiment on the boards at that time. Hell, it was a popular sentiment on the internet in general at that time. It was also, I’m sad to say, an opinion that my father held.
After experiencing another decade on planet earth, I realize how horribly misguided that opinion was and is. I think that maybe it’s not so horrible for kids that age to begin sexual exploration with one another, but it’s definitely wrong for an adult to engage is sex with someone that young and inexperienced.
The “everyone else was a pedophile in 2006” argument is not exactly a convincing one, and it’s worth noting that Kincaid “confessed” his attraction towards underage girls in his self-published 2007 book “Scumbag: Musings of a Subhuman” as well, writing that
I think 14-year-old girls are hot. (Yeah, so does everyone else, but I actually admit it)
That’s what pedophiles would like to believe, but it’s not actually true.
Also, in “The Somewhat Complete Ravings of TJ Kincaid,” which seems to be a compilation of writings from several of his books, we find the following passage:
Teenage girls are annoying because they go out into public dressed like sluts and then if you look at their massive titties there is a segment of our society that will happily declare you a pedophile for “oggling those poor children.” Children, my ass. Children don’t have D cups. Children don’t have big, luscious round asses crammed into designer jeans.
For what it’s worth, the word is “ogling,” not “oggling.”
Even more troubling than these quotes is the fact that Kincaid also claimed at one point that he “dated” a 14-year-old when he was 23.
In his recent posting, he insists that he was only joking:
As for this nonsense about me dating a 14-year-old when I was 23, I was actually mocking a friend of mine who was over 30 and was macking on some 16-year-old girl. The sad fact is that when I was 23, I was single and pussyless. And I was too timid and frightened to even approach a girl sexually, let alone one who could wind me up in prison.
I have no trouble believing that he was lying about having an underage girlfriend, but his explanation doesn’t seem to jibe with what he – or someone claiming to be him – said in the very strange (and not altogether safe for work) video that seems to be the source for what Kincaid calls this “rumor” about him.
Roughly 30 minutes into the video, which shows a live BlogTV session between YouTube personality thefakesagan and some guests in an internet chatroom, we see someone identified as theamazingatheist declare flatly in the chat session that “as a 23-year-old I dated a 14-year-old briefly.”
When the expletive-spewing thefakesagan asks him what it was that led him to stop “dating” the 14-year-old so quickly, theamazingatheist replies “fear of her dad murdering me,” adding in a followup comment that “he was a Marine, actually.”
When the host, burping and fiddling with a bass guitar, asks theamazingatheist if he actually felt “an emotional bond with this 14-year-old bitch,” themazingatheist replies “I felt an emotional bond with her pussy.”
“Sorry,” he types a few moments later, “I’m a sociopath, useless in the ways of love.”
The host then spends a few moments fumbling with his instrument, trying ineptly to work out the bassline to Michael Jackson’s “Beat It.” “You better run, you better do what you’re told,” he sings, “TJ’s in the back room fucking a 14-year-old.”
The conversation moves on, and I think I will too.
But now that I’ve gotten hold of some of TJ’s masterworks, I think I’ll have to see what else is hiding within them. I suspect I’ll be posting about that shortly.
These guys strike me as basically teenagers in the bodies of 20-something/30-something year olds. It’s kind of embarrassing to see this immature posturing from someone their age.
Ugh. There is no end to these people’s depravity.
Emma The Emo, a FeMRA whose main claim to fame is becoming a GF of an infamous Norwegian incel Eivind Berge (whose own claim to fame is, among other things, writing a post “Rape is equality,” and enthusiastically supporting the Norwegian misogynist mass shooter Anders Breivik) has penned a clever defense of pedophilia:
http://emmatheemo.wordpress.com/2014/06/28/why-pedophilia-is-not-a-disease/
MRAs and sundry misogynists: AGE OF CONSENT IS MISANDRY! BIOTRUTHS! EVOPSYCH! WOMEN ARE OLD HAGS BY 22! IF THERE’S GRASS ON THE FIELD…HURR HURR AMIRITE!!
Elsewhere in the manosphere: A MAN CAN’T TALK TO A CHILD WITHOUT BEING LABELED A PEDOPHILE! MISANDRY!
TJ is and has always been a vile specimen of humanity with no redeeming qualities. He and other atheist/skeptic dudebros always bring up AoC and let their creepiness shine. I have argued with them repeatedly that physical maturity =/= cognitive maturity and that a 14 year old girl may have fully developed secondary sex characteristics but that doesn’t mean she’s an adult. She’s an adolescent with an adolescent’s brain. Adolescents are not adults. And on average, adolescents are not good decision makers.
It’s shit like this that makes it hard for me to not think violent thoughts about these fuckers.
Anyway, keep it up TJ, you fuckwit. Between your scamming and bullshit like this, your luck is going to run out and you’re going to find yourself in deep trouble with the law.
God, he’s so disgusting. The more I learn about TMA the more grossed out I am. When I first encountered his stuff I just thought he was a sexist bigot who hid his bigotry behind “logic” (in parentheses because logic is very far from what he’s ever had) like every other MRM supporter, I guess we can add “pedophile or potential pedophile” to the list.
He’s always struck me as a seriously unhinged individual since I first saw him screaming into a camera about Sharon Osborne. Not someone I’d ever want to meet, and I feel you can’t just put him down as attempting to be provocative; his repugnant attitude goes far beyond that.
I just hope the scumbag never breeds
The Abhorrent Anus (I AM CLEVER) is clearly the result of a mad scientists attempt to put every single negative stereotype about reddit into a single being.
TJ says he’s not an MRA but that he isn’t a feminist either?
The only thing that really bothers me about being married to an older guy is that dudes like TAA try to use relationships like mine to give legitimacy to their disgusting, exploitative predilections. “I met my husband as an adult, and I was twenty-four when we got married.” “But he’s fourteen years older than you! That’s totally the same as me being into a middle schooler.” No, it is not, you repulsive wad of used-up gum.
This little contradiction sums up so much of the manosphere.
These are the same people who believe in a male “rape impulse,” and that women need to tone down their dress in order to avoid inflaming it.
I suppose expecting TAA to have sympathy for rape victims is probably asking a lot, given his well documented hatred of them: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/TheAmazingAtheist#Reddit_meltdown
Remember back in 2009, when it seemed like Roman Polanski might finally be returned to the United States to finally receive the punishment he skipped out on after he plead guilty to raping a 13-year-old girl?
The Amazing Atheist’s take at the time was that Roman Polanski was being punished for “breaking the rules.”
Yeah, seriously. His tone left no doubt that he regarded being punished for “breaking the rules” was the real outrage.
At the time, I had views I now regard as pretty ridiculous, but even then his stance struck me as being beyond the pale.
I’m sure he’s changed somewhat in the five years since then, but whenever I come across him anymore it seems like he simply never gets any better as a person than he ever was before.
I’ve noticed, the almighty teej and his mra buddies literally sound like orcs. This might sound really weird, but in the chapter of this fic I’m reading an uruk says, “if they’re old enough to breed, they’re old enough to breed.” MRAS LITERALLY SOUND LIKE ORCS. LIKE, CARTOON VILLIANS. ARE YOU PROUD, GREATEST CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT ON EARTH? *gags*
For serious, I knew about TJ before I was political, I came across his videos in 2010-11ish? And like a person with common sense, moved on to better youtubers. I feel genuinely sorry for any younguns or adult manbabies suckered in by his shoddy research and bravado.
Erm, david? I’m stuck behind moderation. HALP.
And it was “bleed for “if they’re old enough to bleed, they’re old enough to breed.” A
Long time lurker, first time poster. I could not help but respond to this. I have long had an interest in science/debunking videos on Youtube and use to watch people like Thunderfoot. Then, a large segment of the Atheists* went deep into the land of misogyny and now I can’t escape them. Their videos keep showing up in my recommended list even though I have not watched people like that ever or not for more than a year. It makes me sad every time I see it.
*Not all Atheists but the mostly white straight men who seem to have been declared the leaders.
When it turned out the “natural age of consent is 12” thing was faked, I wondered why anyone would bother. It’s not like there isn’t plenty of real material to quote. The unamazing asshat condemns himself pretty much every time he opens his mouth.
Wow, everything I learn about TAA makes me want to learn less. He’s like the perfect archetype of the annoying, faux-liberal internet personality. He blithely states that he’s a horrible person, but thinks it’s ok because he’s popular and unafraid to admit to being a dickhole. When did this whole “Yeah I’m an asshole, deal with it” thing start, anyways?
Yeah, he’s proven time and again he doesn’t have sympathy for rape victims. He’s proven that he hates and blames them for whatever happened to them. Ughghg.
I’m gonna go off on a rant here, but recently I remembered a conversation I had with my ex while we were dating about domestic violence and general abuse from people you trust and care about.
He, knowing that I have been abused in every way possible (physically, sexually, emotionally, and verbally), told me he would NEVER end up in an abusive relationship. He was “too strong” to let someone do that to him.
Like I tried to explain that it’s not as simple as you meet a person and they immediately start the abuse and that sometimes there aren’t any warning signs and that ANYONE can end up being abused but he refused to listen to me. It was incredibly frustrating.
It made me mad then, but now I’m even madder. Like not only is he implying that I, and every other victim of abuse, is weak (something I didn’t bring up at the time because I was hurt by the implication that I was weak), but he seriously does not understand that it’s not as simple as “saying no.” You don’t always know that someone is going to be abusive. Most people don’t start out abusive, they work into it. Like idk I’m still so mad like I feel insulted and like he knows NOTHING about actual abuse.
Then again… I’ve started wondering if, based on the the girl’s he’s dated (including myself) if he targets girls with low self-esteem and emotionally manipulates them. That’s what I felt like he did with me.
Sorry if this doesn’t make any sense, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot recently.
It makes perfect sense, Lids.
Hugs if you want them.
Eewwwww. I don’t even know how else to respond.
He said at 20 that he had “extreme pedophilic fantasies” up until the year prior?
He thinks pubescent girls are hot and he thinks teenagers look like “sluts” and blames them for him ogling their “titties”.
He blames rape victims for being raped?
He tries to trigger rape victims for shits and giggles and threatens to rape them?
…and there are people who actually believe that he’s not a misogynist and a sexual predator?
I do not believe for a single second that that man is not a danger to to women and girls. I hope people keep their kids far away from him. I hope women keep clear of him for their own safety. I don’t care that he claims to have changed his mind about the age of consent. It’s clear he still sexualizes girls and believes that they deserve whatever happens to them. Combine that with his obvious sadistic glee in terrorizing women sexually and there is no way I buy him not being a threat to women and girls.
But there are atheists who will support him and his anti-feminist friends while still claiming to be rational and “good without God”. Those same atheists are freaking out over other atheists being social justice advocates and activists.
What a bunch of assholes.
Yeah, that’s what laws are. They are rules. And if you break those rules, you have committed what we call a “crime” and in a fair world you are “punished for it.”
There’s nothing Amazing about defending the powerful and the influential. There’s nothing courageous about backing the status quo.
When does he do something amazing? I feel like I should be getting a refund, even though I haven’t paid. Sadly, creepy behavior and angry woman-hating rants are not out of the ordinary enough.
Bull-fucking-SHIT. I knew a girl who had all that before she was 11! “Nature’s age of consent”, my ASS. When I was 12 or 13, I may have been menstruating and somewhat developed and so forth, but I was NOT ready for sex. Hell, I wasn’t even ready to kiss a boy that age, let alone a much older MAN.
This Atheist is anything BUT amazing for his cribbed-from-dirty-old-dad “insights”. Unless by “Amazing”, he means amazingly AWFUL…in which case, yeah.