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The Top 7 Things I Learned From a Week's Worth of Comments at A Voice for Men

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Let me count the ways

I have a confession to make: I don’t always read the comments on posts by Men’s Rights Activists.

I realize this might come as a shock to some of you. I mean, one of the main, er, critiques I get from MRAs is that I “cherry pick” comments from MRAs to make them look bad — never mind that it is the comments that make them look bad, not me. But the embarrassing fact is that I often don’t read the comments at all.

In my defense, I have a hard enough time making it through the posts themselves. Life is short, and MRAs are long-winded. And by the time I get to the end of a lot of MRA posts, I’ve pretty much lost my patience with their nonsense. The last thing I want to do at that moment is to read the fawning word-vomit of a bunch of irritating fucks whose comments are likely to be as bad or possibly even worse than the original post.

So today I decided to do a sort of penance for my sins — and to actually read through a week’s worth of comments on A Voice for Men to see what I could learn about the world, and (perhaps more to the point) about the sort of people who actually enjoy reading posts on that terrible site.

I tried my best to do this little experiment as scientifically as possible. But I cheated a little. I didn’t read the comments to every post. And I didn’t read every comment on the posts that I did look at. I mean, what the hell. There’s a limit to my masochism. Seriously, you try reading a week’s worth of this shit in one sitting.

Anyway, here are the Top 7 Insights I’ve learned from a week’s worth of comments at AVFM. In choosing the following, I stuck with comments that were either upvoted or unchallenged by the site’s regulars, or both.

1) Feminists literally want women to be able to kill men with no repercussions.

In the comments to an allegedly humorous post about the female “rationalization hamster,” Angelo sets us straight about the real agenda of feminists and their mangina allies:

 Angelo • 3 days ago  As I already mentioned, brilliant! Also I am delighted to receive my cherished "hamster-hate extremist by the Shyster Posse Liars Consortium (SPLC)" accreditation. ;-)  Vaguely related ...I've re- posted a little montage of a new J4MB post link with a past AVfM post link, in an attempt to make a broad point about the feminist rationalisation hamster and it's allies:  We are aware that feminists openly seek to and with the help of manginas, beta males and white knights, ultimately often achieve their goal of continuing to empower women with the ancient right, ...a "Licensed To KILL" husbands/partners.  Here, Feminists are shown to clearly have all the bases covered. There is no time between conception and old age at which any man is safe from 'Stringla' and the feminist license to kill.

2) Most young females are vile pigs.

This one, from a post about Men’s Rights Edmonton’s harassment of noble human rights activism towards that city’s Slut Walk, is pretty self-explanatory. Take it away, jbantifem:

jbantifem • 7 days ago  Most young females are nothing but vile pigs these days. I'd disown my daughter (if I had one) if she walked around the streets looking like this. Who in their right mind could ever take these women seriously?  Anyone who watches these videos and doesn't believe the morality of society is in jeopardy because of scenarios like this needs to stop smoking crack, or whatever the hell it is they're smoking.  If there is a creator I hope he has mercy on the human race, because we need it.  1 • Reply • Share ›          −     Avatar     Guest jbantifem • 7 days ago      If there is a creator I think he wants his rib back.

3) It is “female nature” to falsely accuse men of rape. In another comment on that  female “rationalization hamster” post, TheMaskAndRose praises AVFM for running articles addressing the important issue of women being dirty lying you know whats.

TheMaskAndRose • 3 days ago  Good summary! The rationalization hamster is also what causes "sex I shouldn't have had" to turn into "he raped me." If a woman gets buyer's remorse, the moment she begins to feel shame is what kicks the hamster into action. It goes through several rotations of "I was drunk" or "I'm angry at my boyfriend" or "he must have raped me" before deciding on an arbitrary outcome as an excuse. I am extremely glad that articles here are continuing to address female nature, it is absolutely inseparable from the feminist nonsense we deal with on a daily basis.  5 • Reply

4) Women are “vipers” with credit cards

In the comments of a post meditating on the notion of privilege (or something, I didn’t read it), l jess warns men not to get involved with women at all. Because of that viper thing.

l jess • 4 days ago  #2 Women do not owe us anything - As long as men do not foolishly get married, have children, or do anything that allows the vipers to sink their fangs into them - then men do not owe women anything - Go MGTOW and enjoy your life - you only owe yourself a life filled with your hobbies. self education, personal time, and whatever else a man wishes for himself - get involved with women and it disappears - the woman has to be placated down to the last nickel on the credit card and men are of no concern. - Do not owe a woman anything, ever!  13 •

5) Don’t marry women because they’re selfish narcissists who won’t let you have a model train set

In the comments to a novella-length post detailing one man’s legal battles with his ex, John Durant reveals that his mother wouldn’t let him have a model train set. And he shares the lesson he took from this childhood tragedy: Avoid women at all costs.

John Durant • 4 days ago  And this is why I have chosen to stay single. I have seen far too many men victimized throughout my lifetime, from my fathers friends who one by one were divorced and screwed by the state to my father who got royally screwed by my mother in their divorce. Then there was my mothers overbearing attitude towards me. Not being allowed to have a model railroad. The dirty looks I would get whenever I would buy anything for my pleasure such as a nice book, or some model trains that I would have to run elsewhere to enjoy. Always being told that I should be saving my hard earned money instead of enjoying it. Then watching my own friends be screwed over by their significant others. For the longest time, I did not date because I didn't make enough money to support a family. Now I see it was for the best. I have no family to support and I can come and go as I please. I have no wife to take me to the cleaners, no children to be used as weapons against me. I see women becoming more and more narcissistic and selfish. The way things are today, MGTOW is the only way.

6) Attractive women have no need nor desire for feminism. Or maybe they do? After praising the  looks of an antifeminist YouTuber, Sway draws the only possible conclusion from this evidence. Or is it the only possible conclusion? I’m not sure what to believe.

sway • 18 hours ago  Of course she's attractive. Attractive women have no need nor desire for feminism.  7 • Reply • Share ›          −     Avatar     MrSonicAdvance sway • 12 hours ago      I see the point you're making, but by that logic, wouldn't attractive women need feminism even more than the boot-faced dykes in order to combat the "rape culture" and "objectification" that women suffer 24/7? Yet amazingly she manages just fine. Patriarchy?

7) Women have too many feelings to be engineers

In yet another comment on that “rationalization hamster post,” Roby 83 compares women — inherently emotional and opinionated — with men — more adept in “objective reasoning.”

Roby 83 • 3 days ago  Most engineers are men because men are more interested than women in understanding how things work. Probably this is why men are more trained than women in objective reasoning: you cannot build a machine that works if you confuse opinions and feelings with reality  9

There is perhaps a teensy bit of irony in the fact that Roby 83 has chosen to post this comment on A Voice for Men, a site run by, and overflowing with, men who think that their tantrums are rational arguments.

And I think that’s my cue to end this little experiment.

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AIT
AIT
7 years ago

Perhaps the Model Railroad of Misandry should be an item included in the welcome package?

clothesminded601
7 years ago

I also wonder if these guys believe the bullshit that they say about women and feminist

ToolBox
ToolBox
7 years ago

I always wanted a camcorder but my mother wouldn’t let me have one. =(

She seemed to think some of the other kids would beat me up and steal it. On reflection, she was probably right.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

OMG, yes! That, and the scene where one of the triplets throws dynamite into a pond so they can have frog’s-leg soup for supper. That movie is just wildly hilarious.

It is! I’ve watched it so many times.

Militant Hamsters, the end of the world is nigh!

Perhaps the Model Railroad of Misandry should be an item included in the welcome package?

Oooh, I like that idea!

I’m seeing the cock carousel-riding lady who used to be on the banner on it. (Cock carousels are all very well, but they don’t get you as far as a really good Misandric Model Railway.)

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I always hear from MRAs about women are just spoiled “princesses” and “cupcake” and yet, in the mind of an MRA not getting something from your Christmas list one year is a valid reason for lifelong misogyny?

That makes sense. Oh, the masculine STEM logic!

Anyone else side eying Roby83 for using a kitty as an avatar? I have a feeling that the furrinati will not be too pleased with this appropriation. Doesn’t he know that feminists are a subservient arm of the furrinati?

katz
7 years ago

Militant Hamsters, the end of the world is nigh!

Dare I say War Hamsters?

screamingxbanshee
7 years ago

There already is such a thing. It’s called a RealDoll, and it is creepily human. It has less than ten verbal responses, if memory serves and each one costs several grand at least.

I would personally spend the rest of my life signing over my paycheck to supply men with one of these monstrosities because that would be one less man raping women. It wasn’t until I happened across a post from a male who naturally turned it into just another way to destroy women – he would manipulate his gf into having a “3some” with him and the sexbot, for the rapist pleasure of having forced her to have sex with the creepy replacement of herself – and something she straight declared she did not want to do. Of course.

daintydougal
daintydougal
7 years ago

So ‘the rationalisation hamster’ causes women to do things that displease logicmanlymen? Purely out of interest, where would one acquire such a beasty?

daintydougal
daintydougal
7 years ago

They claim they’d prefer robots but you can’t humiliate a robot or rape a robot so I don’t think it’d work. Their obsession is women and it’s unlikely that would change (unless they get smacked with a big dose of self-awareness and empathy).

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

Dare I say War Hamsters?

I have seldom seen such deadly levels of cuteness! Is it possible to die of squee?

katz
7 years ago

Glad you like it! I had to stop drawing it because of art style changes :/ My current style doesn’t handle fur well.

tinyorc
7 years ago

ginatingles:

He waits until I have left and gone home to call me, and he says that he just needs me to try to explain my motivations to him rationally, since his logic-ruled manbrain can’t understand my silly lady ‘reasoning’. Complete with short evo-psych explanation of why I was so inclined to be ‘overly picky’ and ‘fickle’. I never ever called him back after that X/

Ugh. Those guys. This reminds me of this brilliant Captain Awkward letter about a super-rationalist dude who refused to clean up broken glass BECAUSE OF LOGIC. http://captainawkward.com/2014/02/06/547-is-it-my-anxiety-or-is-my-relationship-dodgy-spoiler-holy-fuckshit-its-the-dodgiest/

With dudes like this, “rational” means “I would prefer not to” and “irrational” means “anything that is in disagreement with my subjective preference.”

In any case, it’s obviously FAR more rational to keep your options open in the early stages of any dating situation rather than investing all your time and emotion in one dude you’ve only met twice and who could (and did!) turn out to be entirely incompatible with you.

As someone who identifies as a feminist on my online dating profile, I occasionally get essay-length emails from dudes trying to “logic” me out of my long-held and well-informed political views (because, you know, random dude on a dating site is definitely going to have an original and airtight dissenting argument that’s going to lift the veil from my clouded eyes.) But I’m always struck by the tone of these messages, because it’s never “I disagree with your position on this, let’s have a conversation.” It’s always, “You are WRONG, for reasons X, Y and Z. Please change your opinion now so we can date.”

tinyorc
7 years ago

Also, re: 7, anyone who thinks that Rational and Emotional are opposite or incompatible states is not a rational person. Humans have emotions. Denying that emotions have impact on our decision-making processes is irrational. Denying the fundamentally subjective experience of being human is irrational. Pretenses of objectivity and refusal to acknowledge your own biases are irrational.

Emotions are built into our brain chemistry for a reason. They are directly linked to things like motivation, attention span, sense of responsibility, the cognitive link between task and reward, the ability to assess long-term consequences… you know, all those things that allow us take of ourselves and our loved ones, do productive work and live peacefully in society with other human beings. Understanding your emotions, being able to assess when they are justified and when they are out of proportion, knowing when to act on them, and managing them appropriately is a crucial aspect of human intelligence. If you refuse to acknowledge your emotions, you will very likely be ruled by them.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

::applauds tinyorc::

I get SO sick of that, too. Straw Vulcaning with a vengeance.

strivingally
7 years ago

Straw Vulcaning, I like that.

It’s my biggest pet hate whenever any discussion about feminism comes up. Any attempt to portray one viewpoint as “rational” and its opposing viewpoint as based on “emotion” is so obviously based in sexist ideas about logical man-brains versus flighty irrational woman brains I have trouble hearing the words over the sound of my own teeth grinding.

Do the douchebros not realise that anger is also an emotion? Because that seems to be the single biggest defining trait of the MRM and adjacent groups. So any argument about how dispassionate and unemotional they are in comparison to them hormonal-feels-unthinking wimminz deserves to be heartily laughed off the internet.

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
7 years ago

I like how the one dude goes to great lengths to brag about how he will not share a red cent of his hard-earned money with another human being–and then proceeds to call women selfish.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

@ginatingles

Sorry for the too-long personal anecdote, but this particular stereotype makes me gnash my teeth and wail with rage. It’s basically an excuse to take any dissent or disagreement from a woman and turn it into her emotions clouding her judgment. I refuse to even try with people who engage in this tactic.

Interestingly, you can put the “I am logical, because I’m a man and men are logical” into syllogistic format and reason it through deductively. If you do that, you’ll find that this is faulty logic (it commits the fallacy of the undistributed middle, to be technical).

I think it goes without saying that a dude who attempts to prove how logical he is by using faulty logic has not succeeded.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

it commits the fallacy of the undistributed middle, to be technical

I must tell Mads an undistributed middle is a fallacy. She’ll be pleased; hers is very well distributed. So’s mine, come to that. 😉

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

he says that he just needs me to try to explain my motivations to him rationally, since his logic-ruled manbrain can’t understand my silly lady ‘reasoning’. Complete with short evo-psych explanation of why I was so inclined to be ‘overly picky’ and ‘fickle’.

Ugh, ginatingles, that sounds so gross. I once had the same sort of reasoning come from kind of the opposite direction, only thankfully there was no evopsych since it was back in 2002. I went out to a bar with some coworkers one night and met a guy who seemed really nice. He was in the Navy and worked on nuclear subs; he was smart and cute and we were having a nice time talking. The only thing that was a little odd was that he kept insisting that he should buy me a drink (I was driving and needed to cap it at one – which was the the one I had bought myself and was already drinking when we started talking). I chalked that up to a desire to be polite and generous. After we’d been chatting for a few minutes he asked me if I’d like to grab dinner with him sometime. I declined, telling him that I was seeing somebody (Mr. FM and I had met a few weeks before). Guy asked if we were serious, I said no, but that I had hopes and wasn’t really interested in dating anyone else. That’s when the petulance came a-calling. Why wouldn’t I just have dinner with him? Would going out to dinner really count as “dating” him? The other guy was probably going out with other girls! It didn’t make sense that I wouldn’t give him a chance! I finally cut him off mid-sentence and asked if he wanted to have dinner with me because he was interested in friendship. If that wasn’t the case, then he was asking me out on a date and I wasn’t interested. He didn’t have an answer for that, so I wished him well and called it a night.

It was like ten years later before I realized what a bullet I’d dodged that night. Not only because Mr. FM was interested in being exclusive, but because of that guy’s attitude. If he was that invested in logicking his way around a “no” to a drink or a date, how respectful would he have been when any other “no’s” came into play? My estimate: not very. Trying to manipulate your way around a woman’s firm answer, definitely STEMlogic at its finest!

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

Militant Hamster Rationalization Association
Dare I say War Hamsters?
Guinea Pig armour. It’s a thing!

The cutest revolutionaries ever. They slay their enemies with “D’awww!”

Hmmm…I also got to thinking about this whole model train thing and just realized that my brother has one. He inherited it from my grandfather. It’s a vintage Lionel set that Grandpa put together, one car every Christmas, over the course of the 1940’s.* My brother also has a well paying job, lots of hobbies (some expensive to provision, some not). He’s also partnered with a girlfriend who pays for her own hobbies and interests with an even better paying job. Does that mean that toy trains and women are not mutually exclusive?

And does my anecdote trump John Durant’s? Or is it invalidated because it’s filtered through emotional ladybrainz?

*When did Grandpa start doing this? After he and my grandmother got married; wonder why she tolerated an expenditure that was blatantly not for her?

saphy
saphy
7 years ago

Jesus tapdancing Christ, that sci fi story…

Because even though it hasn’t happened it is, of course, true…

I am now filled with sad darkness and a remembrance of the fact that humanity is lost in its own vast, depraved, eternal night.

At least work is less boring when I am choked with moral despair.

#SoundsMelodramaticButSeriouslyManThatStoryOhGod

bunnybunny
bunnybunny
7 years ago

Yeah I’m pretty sure my lack of sleep last night can be at least partly attributed to reading “All My Darling Daughters” earlier in the evening.

DJG
DJG
7 years ago

@WWTH – [Anyone else side eying Roby83 for using a kitty as an avatar? I have a feeling that the furrinati will not be too pleased with this appropriation. Doesn’t he know that feminists are a subservient arm of the furrinati?]

Quite the reverse, or nearly. I can’t bring myself to give up all hope for anyone who has the virtue of being fond of cats (I’d likely think the cat deserved better). Think how much worse he’d be if he weren’t.

In my experience, the major philosophical requirement well-pleased cats impose on those humans fortunate enough to live in their homes is felinism.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Not needing Feminism because you are not objectified is like not needing a fire extinguisher because your house is not on fire.

Or like not needing health insurance because you’re not sick right now. Or…

bunnybunny
bunnybunny
7 years ago

Quite the reverse, or nearly. I can’t bring myself to give up all hope for anyone who has the virtue of being fond of cats (I’d likely think the cat deserved better).

I felt this way before I was acquainted with reddit.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

Felinism, I like it! (Would that be the worship of Ceiling Cat, or Basement Cat, and their minions?)

This site takes the angle-brackets html route for doing blockquotes, DJG. Catches so many people!

schwadevivre
7 years ago

@ saphy – Have you never heard of The Wrath of the Lemming Men? http://www.fantasybookreview.co.uk/Toby-Frost/Wrath-of-the-Lemming-Men.html

DreamingofRoses
DreamingofRoses
7 years ago

@bunnybunny : I just finished reading it. That was… horrific. It’s a really well-written story, just scary.

girlscientist
girlscientist
7 years ago

@cloudiah: That judge looks like a real winner. Good that he didn’t get away with it, what he said, and the sentence he gave to that rapist teacher, was unforgivable.

booburry
7 years ago

Some of your stories about douche guys made me think of this tumblr. http://straightwhiteboystexting.tumblr.com/ A lot of them are just the usual sexual proposition 2 seconds into a convo, but you also see a lot of man-children going from “hey sexy” to “fuck you whore i hate you” within the span of the word no.
Apologize if its too off topic, but it is a pretty hilarious-in-a-sad-way blog, me thinks.

Summer Padeleki
7 years ago

at least these stupid mra’s are in agreement to not breed thank fuck for that. Them staying away from women makes it easier to find the good guys

saphy
saphy
7 years ago

Schwadevivre: all I can focus on is the shadow-shape on the right hand side of that highly pixelated book cover which looks like a giant flourishing moustache floating in the distance.

jayemgriffin
7 years ago

Shouldn’t have read that story at work. Now I’m swinging between impressed at the writing, pondering the moral implications, and just depressed as all get-out.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

If you really have a yen for war hamsters…

i, Obtain Civilization 4,
ii, Download the Rise from Erebus mod from here
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=360
iii, Run it, ensuring the launcher includes the Hamstalfar module.
iv, Go nuts.

And if you’re depressed about “All My Darling Daughters” (which is, after all, a story and one predicated on a jaundiced view of the XY half of the species), then I prescribe Nick Harkaway’s _Goneaway World_, Cory Doctrow’s _For The Win_ as a remedy. Don’t you owe it to yourself to find out why ninjas are afraid of tupperware?

bunnybunny
bunnybunny
7 years ago

Stories can be affecting even if they are fictional. I don’t think people relating to or meditating on the themes of abuse and self-blame is frivolous. Yikes.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

Being a librarian, I don’t disagree – I didn’t use the word “frivolous”. Willis captures A truth, but by no means the WHOLE truth.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
7 years ago

This John whatsit’s mother told him to save his money? What a narcissistic b*tch! Misandry!

saphy
saphy
7 years ago

I feel like the story has more to say about the awfulness of a world that humans can create for themselves than it did about any innate ‘badness’ of men. I don’t think it requires a negative view of dude-kind to approach these kinds of ideas about human depravity: I feel that it’s set up as a cultural thing, a bad morality reinforced through generations of a broken society with advanced technology.

gilshalos
7 years ago

To supplement the war hamsters and armoured guinea pig, I bring you the HEDGEHOG VICTORIOUS!
https://www.facebook.com/itsthemetapicture/photos/a.387644671313623.87403.129488340462592/662311643846923/?type=1

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

Squee! Love hedgehogs.

Robert
Robert
7 years ago

I’m not sure if I would rather believe that Wrath of the Lemming Men is a real book, or that that review is a brilliant piece of fiction. Either makes me smile.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you – the Assault Gerbil.

Nitram
7 years ago

Am unusually annoyed by this today. Another full bingo card of sexist dumbfuckery
-feminists are anti man. Check
-not getting the point of slut walk, check.

which is so painfully easy to understand that it’s got fuckall to do with sluts getting together to flaunt their scanty fashion choices

-irrational fear of false accusations and the myth of buyers’ remorse. Check.

Odd choice of words since they’re the ones always thinking of sex as a transaction where men are the buyer.

-women after money, blah blah
-ladybrains can’t reason, can’t math, emotional wrecks, blah blah

Notice this has fuckall to do with hating feminism (or straw feminism) and everything to do with hating women. With none of these being challenged or down voted, id
say they can’t claim they don’t hate women. At all.

Sunflower
7 years ago

On any given day of the week during any time of the year, you can find those comments all over mrm places. All written slightly different, of course. Because everyone knows mras don’t parot at all with their bullshit!
You could miss a year and not miss a single thing. Lmao

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

That assault gerbil seems to be sleeping on the job. No treats for her until she learns to shape up and stay focused.

katz
7 years ago

That’s not an assault gerbil, it’s an assault hamster!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

How do you tell the difference? I’m pretty much lost when it comes to telling one rodent from another, unless one of them is a nutrium.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

She’s a Stealth Assault Hamster. She waits until you’re lulled by her sleepy face and overcome with D’awww, then strikes.