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The Top 7 Things I Learned From a Week's Worth of Comments at A Voice for Men

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Let me count the ways

I have a confession to make: I don’t always read the comments on posts by Men’s Rights Activists.

I realize this might come as a shock to some of you. I mean, one of the main, er, critiques I get from MRAs is that I “cherry pick” comments from MRAs to make them look bad — never mind that it is the comments that make them look bad, not me. But the embarrassing fact is that I often don’t read the comments at all.

In my defense, I have a hard enough time making it through the posts themselves. Life is short, and MRAs are long-winded. And by the time I get to the end of a lot of MRA posts, I’ve pretty much lost my patience with their nonsense. The last thing I want to do at that moment is to read the fawning word-vomit of a bunch of irritating fucks whose comments are likely to be as bad or possibly even worse than the original post.

So today I decided to do a sort of penance for my sins — and to actually read through a week’s worth of comments on A Voice for Men to see what I could learn about the world, and (perhaps more to the point) about the sort of people who actually enjoy reading posts on that terrible site.

I tried my best to do this little experiment as scientifically as possible. But I cheated a little. I didn’t read the comments to every post. And I didn’t read every comment on the posts that I did look at. I mean, what the hell. There’s a limit to my masochism. Seriously, you try reading a week’s worth of this shit in one sitting.

Anyway, here are the Top 7 Insights I’ve learned from a week’s worth of comments at AVFM. In choosing the following, I stuck with comments that were either upvoted or unchallenged by the site’s regulars, or both.

1) Feminists literally want women to be able to kill men with no repercussions.

In the comments to an allegedly humorous post about the female “rationalization hamster,” Angelo sets us straight about the real agenda of feminists and their mangina allies:

 Angelo • 3 days ago  As I already mentioned, brilliant! Also I am delighted to receive my cherished "hamster-hate extremist by the Shyster Posse Liars Consortium (SPLC)" accreditation. ;-)  Vaguely related ...I've re- posted a little montage of a new J4MB post link with a past AVfM post link, in an attempt to make a broad point about the feminist rationalisation hamster and it's allies:  We are aware that feminists openly seek to and with the help of manginas, beta males and white knights, ultimately often achieve their goal of continuing to empower women with the ancient right, ...a "Licensed To KILL" husbands/partners.  Here, Feminists are shown to clearly have all the bases covered. There is no time between conception and old age at which any man is safe from 'Stringla' and the feminist license to kill.

2) Most young females are vile pigs.

This one, from a post about Men’s Rights Edmonton’s harassment of noble human rights activism towards that city’s Slut Walk, is pretty self-explanatory. Take it away, jbantifem:

jbantifem • 7 days ago  Most young females are nothing but vile pigs these days. I'd disown my daughter (if I had one) if she walked around the streets looking like this. Who in their right mind could ever take these women seriously?  Anyone who watches these videos and doesn't believe the morality of society is in jeopardy because of scenarios like this needs to stop smoking crack, or whatever the hell it is they're smoking.  If there is a creator I hope he has mercy on the human race, because we need it.  1 • Reply • Share ›          −     Avatar     Guest jbantifem • 7 days ago      If there is a creator I think he wants his rib back.

3) It is “female nature” to falsely accuse men of rape. In another comment on that  female “rationalization hamster” post, TheMaskAndRose praises AVFM for running articles addressing the important issue of women being dirty lying you know whats.

TheMaskAndRose • 3 days ago  Good summary! The rationalization hamster is also what causes "sex I shouldn't have had" to turn into "he raped me." If a woman gets buyer's remorse, the moment she begins to feel shame is what kicks the hamster into action. It goes through several rotations of "I was drunk" or "I'm angry at my boyfriend" or "he must have raped me" before deciding on an arbitrary outcome as an excuse. I am extremely glad that articles here are continuing to address female nature, it is absolutely inseparable from the feminist nonsense we deal with on a daily basis.  5 • Reply

4) Women are “vipers” with credit cards

In the comments of a post meditating on the notion of privilege (or something, I didn’t read it), l jess warns men not to get involved with women at all. Because of that viper thing.

l jess • 4 days ago  #2 Women do not owe us anything - As long as men do not foolishly get married, have children, or do anything that allows the vipers to sink their fangs into them - then men do not owe women anything - Go MGTOW and enjoy your life - you only owe yourself a life filled with your hobbies. self education, personal time, and whatever else a man wishes for himself - get involved with women and it disappears - the woman has to be placated down to the last nickel on the credit card and men are of no concern. - Do not owe a woman anything, ever!  13 •

5) Don’t marry women because they’re selfish narcissists who won’t let you have a model train set

In the comments to a novella-length post detailing one man’s legal battles with his ex, John Durant reveals that his mother wouldn’t let him have a model train set. And he shares the lesson he took from this childhood tragedy: Avoid women at all costs.

John Durant • 4 days ago  And this is why I have chosen to stay single. I have seen far too many men victimized throughout my lifetime, from my fathers friends who one by one were divorced and screwed by the state to my father who got royally screwed by my mother in their divorce. Then there was my mothers overbearing attitude towards me. Not being allowed to have a model railroad. The dirty looks I would get whenever I would buy anything for my pleasure such as a nice book, or some model trains that I would have to run elsewhere to enjoy. Always being told that I should be saving my hard earned money instead of enjoying it. Then watching my own friends be screwed over by their significant others. For the longest time, I did not date because I didn't make enough money to support a family. Now I see it was for the best. I have no family to support and I can come and go as I please. I have no wife to take me to the cleaners, no children to be used as weapons against me. I see women becoming more and more narcissistic and selfish. The way things are today, MGTOW is the only way.

6) Attractive women have no need nor desire for feminism. Or maybe they do? After praising the  looks of an antifeminist YouTuber, Sway draws the only possible conclusion from this evidence. Or is it the only possible conclusion? I’m not sure what to believe.

sway • 18 hours ago  Of course she's attractive. Attractive women have no need nor desire for feminism.  7 • Reply • Share ›          −     Avatar     MrSonicAdvance sway • 12 hours ago      I see the point you're making, but by that logic, wouldn't attractive women need feminism even more than the boot-faced dykes in order to combat the "rape culture" and "objectification" that women suffer 24/7? Yet amazingly she manages just fine. Patriarchy?

7) Women have too many feelings to be engineers

In yet another comment on that “rationalization hamster post,” Roby 83 compares women — inherently emotional and opinionated — with men — more adept in “objective reasoning.”

Roby 83 • 3 days ago  Most engineers are men because men are more interested than women in understanding how things work. Probably this is why men are more trained than women in objective reasoning: you cannot build a machine that works if you confuse opinions and feelings with reality  9

There is perhaps a teensy bit of irony in the fact that Roby 83 has chosen to post this comment on A Voice for Men, a site run by, and overflowing with, men who think that their tantrums are rational arguments.

And I think that’s my cue to end this little experiment.

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Ally S
7 years ago

Boot-faced dykes. That’s a new one.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
7 years ago

There is a relevant thing going round Tumblr at the mo. Not needing Feminism because you are not objectified is like not needing a fire extinguisher because your house is not on fire.

It always amazes me when MRAs start in on how women dress in a way that makes it impossible to take them seriously. D00dz, srsly. We see you on the street every day.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Ridiculous bigots, every one.

What sorry, hateful trash.

You have an amazing constitution, David. Thanks for wading through the pond scum of these haters public thoughts. People need to be aware of exactly how twisted and foul these misogynists are.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
7 years ago

That calls for an image!

Also:

If there is a creator I think he wants his rib back.

Now, I’m an atheist, and was never particularly religious, but I’m pretty in Genesis, God takes Adam’s rib to make Eve, not his own. That is an… interesting slip up, there.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

But it’s about men’s rights, not hating females, er, I mean, women! /s

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Oh looky, our ol’ pal “The Mask and Rose” is in there. Prattling about how rape isn’t really rape because Rationalization Hamster. Makes me wonder — no, suspect — that he has done a few turns on the ol’ hamster wheel of rape-culture rationalization himself.

Erica B
Erica B
7 years ago

“I’m extremely glad that articles here are continuing to address female nature, it is absolutely inseperable from the feminist nonsense we deal with on a daily basis.”

So much for MRA’s claims that they don’t hate women, just feminism.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

Model railroad.

Model railroad.

Truly, the oppression of men has no limits.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

I can’t help thinking that humanity will be better off when someone invents a really good sex robot – something that looks like a woman but doesn’t feel, who these assholes can screw or hit or abuse to their heart’s content. Let them go MGTOW, leave them in their rooms and rot, while everyone gets on with life.

And then I recall a really creepy feminist sf story about a girl at a boarding school who notices all the boys getting… obsessive… about some strange bio-engineered pets. With convenient orifices and sad voices. Wish I could recall the name of that story.

Falconer
7 years ago

John Durant’s mother wouldn’t let him have a train set. Surely this seminal moment had as profound an effect on his developing psyche as Ayn Rand’s mother lying about taking her toys away*.

Share with us your hard-won wisdom, O Learned One!

*Admittedly a simplistic explanation.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Oh my god— I can’t believe I’ve never seen this before.

MHRA = Militant Hamster Rationalization Association

It all makes sense now. MHRAs are actually an army of angry, resentful, embittered hamsters who think human women have been trapping and enslaving hamsters for their own evil ends. I must say, it makes a lot more sense than the idea of Men’s Human Rights Advocates.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

I’m strangely kind of taken with jbantifem’s contribution. It’s like he’s on Who’s Line Is It Anyway and he got tasked to do a comment in the style of an angry old neighbor from a TV sitcom. I was disappointed that he didn’t wrap things up with a hearty “and get off my lawn, ya damn kids!”

strivingally
7 years ago

If the mig-taus really want to stop letting women have power over them, why don’t they talk about sports, or science, or stamps, or literally anything other than women? Surely it’s a fairly pathetic attempt to demonstrate how little you care about something when you constantly rant about how unnecessary you find it.

damselindetech
7 years ago
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

Are we boot-faced or hatchet-faced? Which is it?

I need to know, because firewood and grape-stomping season overlap.

damselindetech
7 years ago

I want to be hamster-faced

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVdIcBpf3Gs%5D

Xanith
Xanith
7 years ago

@Phoenician in a time of Romans

Yeah, I would feel sorry for any hypothetical future sexbot who’d get stuck with an asshole from the manosphere. But maybe that’s just because I’ve seen too much science fiction about robots with advanced AIs developing emotions (or something similar to human emotion).

Chris Wilson
7 years ago

@PhoenicianinatimeofRomans You’re thinking of the Connie Willis story, “All My Darling Daughters”.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

MHRA = Militant Hamster Rationalization Association

>keels over backwards<

That…cannot be unseen.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

First it was marmots’ rights, now it’s militant hamsters.

Rodent revolution!

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Dramatic Ground Squirrel is dramatic.

Amnesia
Amnesia
7 years ago

My dad’s been married for over a quarter of a century and has two daughters. He not only owns model trains (G-scale), he’s planning to convert one of the bedrooms into a train room.

Obviously, we missed the hive mind memo on that one. Whoops.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Model train deprivation…the real reason Ayn Rand wrote railroadin’ into Atlas Shrugged.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

“Mommy wouldn’t let me have a toy! Ebil wimmenz R ebils!!!”

That’s just priceless.

Rape ain’t no thang, pay inequality ain’t no thang, denial of reproductive rights ain’t no thang, but being denied a toy train is a goram tragedy. That sums up MRAsshole entitlement so succinctly.

Men’s rights: won;t someone think of the train sets!

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

Model train deprivation…the real reason Ayn Rand wrote railroadin’ into Atlas Shrugged.

😀

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

I’m suddenly reminded of Bertrand Russell’s metaphor of sexual repression. Makes me wonder if Toy Train Whiner has been so terrubly terrubly traumatised by it all.

Every boy is interested in trains. Suppose we told him that an interest in trains is wicked; suppose we kept his eyes bandaged whenever he was in a train or on a railway station; suppose we never allowed the word “train” to be mentioned in his presence and preserved an impenetrable mystery as to the means by which he is transported from one place to another. The result would not be that he would cease to be interested in trains; on the contrary, he would become more interested than ever but would have a morbid sense of sin, because this interest had been represented to him as improper.

First time I read this was in a Phillip Adams column back in the 70s. I loved his comment: “Mind you, trains are obscene. All those tunnels and funnels.”

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Kitteh, you are so right. Freud would have a field day with “Mommy wouldn’t let me play with my train” man.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

@Chris Wilson : THAT’S the one. I was searching up Joanna Russ and Tiptree instead.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

AND it’s online even – http://103.9.88.89/app/2014-04-10/Connie%20Willis%20-%20All%20My%20Darling%20Daughters.pdf – here.

Needless to say, it may well trigger some, so reader beware.

Lids
7 years ago

Well, we can all go home now, we’ve all been out-oppressed by MRAs. What can being treated like dirt because of your race, sex, gender identity, religion, or sexuality possibly have on being denied a model train as a child?

And lo and behold, I can no longer be a feminist – because men find me attractive. If men find me attractive, that mean I must be an attractive woman, and as such have no need for feminism. I’m glad that was straightened out for me today.

ginatingles
7 years ago

#7 makes me the angriest, omg. When I’m dating, I will give a certain amount of slack when it comes to feminist ideology and the like (most men in my area are, even if identifying as liberal/progressive/Dem/etc, kind of conservative). But this is one of the ideas that I do not tolerate. At. All.
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I was on a date a year or so ago and, after two mostly enjoyable evenings he asked me if I was seeing anyone else. I said that, since I use online dating, which can be pretty hit-and-miss, I tend to date a handful of potentials until I can narrow down to one. He was obviously unhappy about this, but tried to pretend it was fine. However, he kept bringing it up, getting more and more frustrated as I tried to explain to him that I just didn’t know him well enough to stop seeing everyone else (again, this was the end of date #2), and that if it bothered him then we were going to have to deal with that.

He waits until I have left and gone home to call me, and he says that he just needs me to try to explain my motivations to him rationally, since his logic-ruled manbrain can’t understand my silly lady ‘reasoning’. Complete with short evo-psych explanation of why I was so inclined to be ‘overly picky’ and ‘fickle’. I never ever called him back after that X/

Sorry for the too-long personal anecdote, but this particular stereotype makes me gnash my teeth and wail with rage. It’s basically an excuse to take any dissent or disagreement from a woman and turn it into her emotions clouding her judgment. I refuse to even try with people who engage in this tactic.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

I have been acquainted with two men who loved model trains. Both were married with kids. They’re families loved them dearly. One of my FILs loves trains and miniatures in general. He and my MIL have a small room full of the miniatures they made together. They have one doll house with electric lights. They even made a fish pond in the front yard of the tiny house with epoxy that has tiny gold fish “floating” in it. It’s sort of a creepy hobby, so of course, I think it’s neat. To them, it’s just a fun thing they did together. They’re crafty types from way back.

I had an art prof who loved to make scale miniatures. It’s art and math and not an expensive hobby. There are competitions and the people who compete are perfectionists. In it’s heyday miniatures allowed people to create whole tiny worlds of their own before games like Minecraft or WOW existed. Miniatures have ties to forensic science and history. Trains are cool. Miniatures are cool. There’s nothing wrong with liking model trains or miniatures in general.

What is entirely fucked up is hating women because your mom didn’t get you the toy you wanted that one time. That’s Norman Bates levels of creepy.

Chris Wilson
7 years ago

@Phoenicians in a time of Romans: Gut-wrenching but really good story, wasn’t it? Your mentioning it reminds me that I would like to reread it. Thank-you!

Ah, and I see you found it online. Yes, I recommend it highly but I’d give it a big trigger warning.

ginatingles
7 years ago

@my previous post, it should have been “reasoning”, as in “Aww, you think you can logic; aren’t you adorable?”

And by ‘#7’, I mean more the idea that men are all super-logical and free of emotion or bias, and that women are ALL emotion and bias, and barely understand even basic reasoning, than anything specific to that particular comment.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

Dear John Durant,

I asked my dad for something for Christmas one year and he didn’t get it. Does that mean I am a victim of systemic misogyny?

Blah blah blah etc.,
Viscaria

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

Kitteh, you are so right. Freud would have a field day with “Mommy wouldn’t let me play with my train” man.

But Lea, sometimes a train is just a train!

I’ve liked lots of miniature stuff too; I spent years making really detailed figures, with extensive wardrobes, of Louis’s court (this being long before we were in contact, I hasten to add!)

I’d love to see a really good model train set. We had a very simple one, just one round of track, blue engine, I think, and a couple of carriages. But some of them are amazing, so complex.

He waits until I have left and gone home to call me, and he says that he just needs me to try to explain my motivations to him rationally, since his logic-ruled manbrain can’t understand my silly lady ‘reasoning’. Complete with short evo-psych explanation of why I was so inclined to be ‘overly picky’ and ‘fickle’. I never ever called him back after that X/

ginatingles, wow, and he thought he was super-rational dude? What’s so hard to grasp about seeing who you’d like – or NOT like – to be with before you make any commitment, even if it’s only on a dating level?

strivingally
7 years ago

Wanting equal work for equal pay, or the right to control your own body, or arguing for greater media representation for 50% of the world’s population? All silly lady-brain emotion-feel distractions.

Not like the cool, logical rationality of doxxers trying to destroy the lives of women who are mildly critical of MRAs, or the level-headed sophomoric name-calling of the honey badger brigade.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

I think model trains are pretty cool myself (and I’m a girl! how can that be?). But I don’t blame my mom for not getting one for me. They can be expensive and take up a lot of space.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

Anyone remember The Triplets of Belleville, and how poor Bruno’s tail is run over by a toy train at the start? He never gets over it and spends the rest of his life barking at trains.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Anyone remember The Triplets of Belleville, and how poor Bruno’s tail is run over by a toy train at the start? He never gets over it and spends the rest of his life barking at trains.

OMG, yes! That, and the scene where one of the triplets throws dynamite into a pond so they can have frog’s-leg soup for supper. That movie is just wildly hilarious.

Alex
7 years ago

@ Ginatingles,

I was on a date a year or so ago and, after two mostly enjoyable evenings he asked me if I was seeing anyone else. I said that, since I use online dating, which can be pretty hit-and-miss, I tend to date a handful of potentials until I can narrow down to one. He was obviously unhappy about this, but tried to pretend it was fine. However, he kept bringing it up, getting more and more frustrated as I tried to explain to him that I just didn’t know him well enough to stop seeing everyone else (again, this was the end of date #2), and that if it bothered him then we were going to have to deal with that.

Ugh. Why do some dudes have to get like that? There was one dude I was talking to online and I happened to mention being stood up by a date and he lost his shit on me. I hadn’t even met this guy offline yet and he flipped on me for going on dates with other men. Best part? I found out later that he’d been in an open relationship. Nothing wrong with that, but he’d never mentioned it to me, and really? You’re in an open relationship, but you shit a brick because I’ve agreed to go on a date with other men besides you? Oh! And when I told him I was pretty sure I’d mentioned I was looking to go on dates with several people to see where things went, he outright denied I’d ever said anything about it. But when I checked back through our messages, I clearly had.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
7 years ago

@Alex Maybe he was in an open relationship, but his SO wasn’t.

Nick Browne
7 years ago

Seen an alarming number of twitter comments attacking you for this one that have the hashtag “Women Against Feminism”. I’d bet that you’re used to it by now, but damn it’s appalling that they’d make the kind of personal attacks they do because you dared to call out MRAs for promoting nonconsensual sex and male supremacy in scientific fields. The sheer amount of bullshit is making my brain hurt.

Zolnier
Zolnier
7 years ago

The idea that feminism is useless to women who don’t feel objectified at this exact moment in time reminds me of those people who claim that unions have accomplished all they need to and now must be retired. Because corporations and sexists both operate on the honour system.

katz
7 years ago

Hey, did you guys know that the local name for the Syrian hamster is “Mr. Saddlebags?”

Clothesminded
Clothesminded
7 years ago

I guess only ugly women want equal rights according to the MRA’s

Clothesminded
Clothesminded
7 years ago

Do mras really think all women have perfect lives and we just all live to make men suffer ?

Zolnier
Zolnier
7 years ago

Which is weird since in MRA land beauty expires around twenty two.

Zolnier
Zolnier
7 years ago

…And that’s the LESS gross estimate.

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