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From Women Against Feminism
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Are women turning against feminism? Over on The Spearhead, WF Price sets forth the proposition that “the younger generation of women [is] rejecting ‘feminism’ in stronger terms than I’ve ever witnessed in my life.”

His proof for this? A Tumblr blog called Women Against Feminism, featuring a couple dozen photos of women holding signs denouncing feminism. Or what they think feminism is, anyway.

Some of these women are fairly articulate about the source of their hostility against feminism: they’re traditionalists who don’t like being judged for their choices:

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Others seem to be reacting against stereotypical notions of feminism that bear little relation to the real thing:

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Still others have somewhat more, well, idiosyncratic reasons:

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For whatever reason, quite a few of the women posting these pictures are from Poland.

At least here in the US, it’s not news that a lot of women reject feminism – or at least the feminist label. There are plenty of  traditionalist women who reject the central tenets of feminism. And there are many others who may share some feminist beliefs but don’t want to call themselves feminists, in part because of the bad rap feminists get in the media and, these days, online. Anyone who’s been a feminist for any length of time has heard women (and some men) announce that “I’m not a feminist, but …” and then follow that statement with a sentiment that is, by any reasonable definition, feminist.

Now some of these “I’m not a feminist, but” types are posting pictures like this, using what is essentially a feminist analysis to criticize what they see as a central shortcoming of feminism:

 

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Naturally, WF Price has a somewhat different explanation for this alleged trend.

What I think is going on here is that younger women need men more than their older, feminist counterparts did in their heyday.

And why is that? Because times are hard. And so even though men today are struggling, women are struggling even more, and so – in WF Price’s imagination, anyway — they’ve come to appreciate what men can do for them.

The less men have – and the less men there are in general – the more women need them. Without men or without men of means, there can be no surplus, no you-go-grrrrl feminism, no fancy restaurants and no nice houses. Everything just goes to crap.

Heck, Price argues, even men without jobs make better roommates for women than other women, because, you know, they can open jars and stuff:

[W]hat use could a man possibly be if he has no money to speak of? Only someone who has never lived with a woman could find that one hard to answer. A healthy young man with no money can drive, carry things, fix things, protect his mate, solve problems, save money, do chores — the list goes on. And when he gets a job, he will pay his way and do all these things, even if he makes less than his girlfriend. It’s a much, much better deal for a woman than a female roommate.

According to Price, feminism had whatever successes it did have in the past because the economy was booming.

What created this “independent woman” myth was the great prosperity of the baby boomer era, which lasted from roughly the mid 60s to the mid 2000s. Men abounded, and they were flush with cash. Businesses could afford to hire superfluous cute girls and give them nice salaries. Family courts could rob men blind and they’d still have enough left over for a reasonable lifestyle and a chance to start over. Men were harvesting the fat of the land, and there was more than enough to go around.

Huh. I lived through that baby boomer era, and I’m pretty sure that it wasn’t one giant materialistic orgy. There were, I vaguely recall, more than a couple of pretty severe recessions. And back in the heyday of second wave feminism in the seventies there was something called “stagflation.”

But let’s not get in the way of WF Price’s little fairy tale. In the baby boomer era, everyone prospered. Now, everyone is poor. Or at least the young people are:

When you’re poor, life is a lot easier if you can share with someone, and nobody shares more with girls than boys. So merely finding a man to share burdens is a considerable relief to young women. Is a feminist going to fix a car, carry a TV upstairs or take her to the hospital to give birth? Will the feminist voluntarily share any of what she earns with the young woman? Yeah, right…

Apparently in Price’s world “the feminist” is essentially a female version of Scrooge McDuck.

Male scarcity in either numbers or resources effectively prevents feminism. Surplus enables it. In a sense, one could say that feminism’s own downfall is built in to the ideology itself, because it contributes to male scarcity.

Wars between the sexes accomplish nothing in the long run, but they do highlight the complementary, interdependent nature of the sexes: when one sex “beats” the other, both lose. Today’s young women seem to understand that a lot better than their foolish mothers ever did.

In the comments, the Spearhead regulars are less forgiving of “foolish” women than Price is. Regular commenter Geographybeefinalisthimself suggests that antifeminist men should be something less than gracious in their (alleged) victory:

Even if women are in fact rejecting feminism (and I treat this with a lot of suspicion), I don’t see why men should not be vindictive since feminists were pretty damn vindictive to men (myself included, though I am well aware that I am not the only one) when male power was a myth.

Since young men got paid back for discrimination that wasn’t their fault, I don’t see why they shouldn’t turn around and do likewise to a subsequent generation of females. If feminism can come to an end now (and I am not convinced that it is dead yet), it also could have come to an end twenty years ago. I always take the attitude that if something can happen now, it could have happened many years ago as well.

Someone calling himself Lastango, meanwhile, indulges himself in some hypothetical Atlas Shrugging:

[T]he tide is going out and it’s increasingly obvious feminism has been swimming naked, keeping its head above water only because it could float on government money. Unfortunately for feminists, this is happening at the very moment men are increasingly aware of having been demonized and exploited during the past 40 years, and Atlas is starting to shrug… he’ll be staying dry, on the beach, instead of swimming out to rescue a drowning political tribe of privileged, entitled women who have been using him for their own gain.

The misogynists of the manosphere are never quite so happy as when they contemplate women being punished.

The women posting pictures to the Women Against Feminism blog might be surprised by how ungentlemanly these fellows really are.

NOTE: I cropped the pics from Women Against Feminism to save space and highlight the signs.

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Kakanian
Kakanian
6 years ago

@Ally S

Last time somebody seriously brought up the “holding doors”-argument in a discussion, I laughed in his face and asked him how it feels to be an ass who would refuse a stranger a common courtesy like that. People of either gender hold doors for other people all the time in the world I live in.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

If these women are so brave and independent as to seriously claim not to need feminism, I’d invite them to take a step into the Wayback Machine and go back just 40 years or so. And if that’s not enough, I’ll set the dial to 100 or even 150, and see how much REAL tradition appeals to them then. I’ll bet they’d all change their tune pretty fast if they only knew what it was really like…

If it weren’t for feminism, would they even be allowed on fiverr, getting paid to wear bikinis and hold up signs? Wouldn’t they be too busy pounding clothes on rocks down by the river?

Did you ever see the PBS series “The 1900 House”, where a modern family agreed to live in a Victorian townhouse in London? They fixed it up to replicate the living conditions of an early 20th century family – no electricity, no indoor plumbing, no central heating. After a week or so, the wife practically had a nervous breakdown because she couldn’t cope with the enormous amounts of labor required to keep the house running. Everything had to be hand-washed and hand-mended and whacked with a carpet beater, she had to get up at 5 AM to fuel the wood stove, water had to be hauled in from the well with buckets and boiled on the stove, her hands were raw, cracked and bleeding from washing floors with lye soap. Meanwhile, the husband and kids got to gallivant off to desk job and school, and come home at the end of the day to a hot meal and freshly scrubbed house.

Granted, a real middle-to-upperclass wife of the Victorian period would likely have had a maid, but the odds are that the sign-holding bikini women would have been among the house servant classes, breaking their backs and sacrificing time with their own families to ensure the comfort of their employer. Maybe the 1% think they don’t need feminism, but the rest of us sure do.

@Flying Mouse – you’re right, there’s always a “grass is greener” tug-of-war between working and staying home with the kids. I wonder if the people flaunting their life choices on signs are really that happy and secure in their decisions, if they’re trying so hard to convince the rest of the world that their way is the One True Way.

I read an interesting theory once, that one of the dynamics with bullies is envy. Bullies and mean girls feel a lot of pressure to act and perform a certain way for their audience. On some level (not always conscious) they envy the freedom of nerdy kids to do and be whatever they feel like. Not in the sense of “Gee, I wish I were that nerdy kid”, but more like “Why should that kid get away with wearing sweatpants and having greasy hair, when I have to spend hours doing my makeup and looking perfect? I must take them down a notch!” It seems like a similar dynamic with the smug anti-feminist Christian dominionist women, when they observe other women getting college degrees and having careers and influencing the world and maximizing their potential: “I suffered for my life choices, and so should you. You should want the same things I want. Otherwise, I’m going to make you feel inferior.” They want so hard to believe that women who take a different path always pay a heavy price. If they’re happy and fulfilled, well, they’re still less than “real women”, harrumph, so there!

@Mnemosyne – I can totally relate! You have so much going for you: a solid sense of what you want and who you are, and a willingness to work for your goals. That in itself is very attractive. The right person will see that. Don’t let the MRAs convince you that your only value is in your appearance, and that you’re worthless without a man. That’s what they want you to think, so you’ll be insecure and more easily controlled.

Being career-minded and not conventionally girly girl actually works to your advantage. It filters out the shallow, abusive losers, and it’s catnip to smart, emotionally developed men who are actually worth being in a relationship with.

Though it is indeed to be expected, after all if even monkeys do it already, then of course humans would as well too.

Monkeys get paid to hold signs on fiverr?

katz
6 years ago

If you have no soul and don’t mind your words, photos, videos, etc. being used for whatever reason, you can make some decent cash.

Or if, you know, you’re poor.

Kakanian
Kakanian
6 years ago

>She remembers getting bills sent back to them, because they needed “Willie’s” signature as the man of the house, instead of “Shirley’s”. Or, they’d receive bills for a Mr. Willie (Lastname)”.

Oh, that still happens today, apparently. And not too infrequently either.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

There’s something so hilariously pathetic about the idea that people are paying women to pretend to be anti-feminist. It makes more sense when companies do it in an attempt at marketing, but when it’s just sexist wankers? Sad, guys. Really sad.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Clothesminded

“Women against feminism ? What’s next gays against gay marriage ? Blacks for the kkk”

I heard from my grandma that there was a black police officer and he was protecting the kkk members when they were speaking. I don’t know the exact details but…gosh.
That’s our society, we are protecting the prosecutors, the abusers and evil people and we hurt and blame the victims. It’s really sad.

That woman who’s biting the corner of her sign is really creeping me out. O.o

Oh! can I please start the counting game!? 1 🙂

katz
6 years ago

2

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

3

katz
6 years ago

I’ll tell you a secret: This game was invented to help mods meet their 30% quota. Whenever they are not posting enough comments, they can just start saying numbers.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
6 years ago

Whawhawhawhat world does this dude live in?!?! No nice houses without men? Ladies need a male roommate because he’ll be able to drive? Huuuuh? My brain hurts!

Nitram
6 years ago

Daniela slow down! I can’t keep up with my bingo card of standard David fat-not getting laid-gay spots! Please oh please, can you mention white knight? I’m so close to shouting bingo!

daintydougal
daintydougal
6 years ago

OT – I was looking at the Parks and Recreation imdb page and there’s a post on the message board asking ‘Is the pro feminist, anti-male tone of this comedy too much sometimes?’
The idiocy is inescapable. =(

tiko72
tiko72
6 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I remember a program like that but I thought it was a British family.How you describe it though I think it’s the same one and I remembered it wrong.I recall at the end when she had changed into her modern clothes how liberated she felt.Also I think it they were supposed to portray a lower middle class family who wouldn’t generally have had a maid.

@Random poster

You really live up to your name.Do you have all your comments printed out and stuck on a wall
and when you feel like posting one you just throw a dart with you eye’s closed and whichever one gets hit ,that’s the one you post.

cloudiah
6 years ago

“I don’t need to grow out my body hair to prove I’m equal to men.”

The women who grow out their body hair feel the same way. That’s probably because no woman actually does that for the purpose of proving that women are equal to men.

Ally nailed it. That was such a weird sign. It made my face get all screwed up trying to figure out the logic.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Also let’s fix up RandomPoster’s random thoughts with ye olde GENDER REVERSAL*:

Ah, my own worldview affirmed yet again: human females are indeed really fundamentally opportunistically** mercenary predatory. No wonder why they say prostitution preying on desperate, impoverished women and children is truly the oldest profession. Though it is indeed to be expected, after all if even monkeys do it already, then of course humans would as well too.

*Not that gender is a binary, and that some kind of simplistic gender reversal is even possible as a rule.

** Seriously, fundamentally really opportunistically likely I can string together more adverbs in a row than RP can.

Saphy
Saphy
6 years ago

At the moment I’m growing out my body hair for the simple reason of notgivingafuck. Plus my hair is light so my leg hair is all fluffy and soft like a kitty. Purr. Twice the misandry.

gilshalos
6 years ago

The 1900 House was indeed a British family 🙂

Anonymous Ibiza
6 years ago

What do you think to a club hanging female dummies from their necks, wrists and hands?

http://anonymous-ibiza.blogspot.com.es/2014/06/pacha-ibiza-2014-review.html

And another post on the sexual objectification of women in modern culture….

http://anonymous-ibiza.blogspot.com.es/2014/06/the-objectification-of-women-in-modern.html

Kate
Kate
6 years ago

Did you ever see the PBS series “The 1900 House”, where a modern family agreed to live in a Victorian townhouse in London?

Nope but now I really want to!

And he whole “you probably wouldn’t have been one of the upper-class back then” harsh reality thing makes me think of a History 101 class I took back in Uni. The prof had everyone stand up and divide the (large) hall in half and said “everyone on the left sit down, you didn’t make it to your first birthday”. Then he said something like “everyone who is standing who has ever broken a bone put your hand up… everyone with your hand up who isn’t in the last five rows sit down you died, the people in the very last row can put your hand down, you’re probably ok, everyone else is crippled”. He went on through things we feel are common like high fevers that we got over (guys, half of you are impotent, and a third are blind) and the like until maybe an 8th of the room was standing, and only half of those were “able bodied”.

And that was just focusing on things like standard injuries and ailments, not things like being coal miners or factory workers…

Now I don’t remember (it’s been quite a while) which century this was supposed to have been in. I’d tend more towards the 1800’s than the 1900’s, but still… (also a revalation – stitching a wound before the invention of antibiotics would have pretty much been a death sentence… dress it and keep changing the dressings as needed and expect a helluva scar if you live through the process… O.o

tiko72
tiko72
6 years ago

Thanks gilshalos. I’ve found it on you tube Kate if your interested in having a look but it says I can’t view it from my country (Britain) so I’m not sure how you’ll get on.

M.E. Evans
6 years ago

These are just ignorant women who have absolutely no idea what “feminism” means. They think that it means that people can’t appreciate their bodies, or appreciate their femininity, or they can’t wear makeup. They don’t understand that feminism just means that they get treated the same way as men. And that everything they do should be a respected choice instead of something decided by government or society.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Did you ever see the PBS series “The 1900 House”, where a modern family agreed to live in a Victorian townhouse in London? They fixed it up to replicate the living conditions of an early 20th century family – no electricity, no indoor plumbing, no central heating. After a week or so, the wife practically had a nervous breakdown because she couldn’t cope with the enormous amounts of labor required to keep the house running. Everything had to be hand-washed and hand-mended and whacked with a carpet beater, she had to get up at 5 AM to fuel the wood stove, water had to be hauled in from the well with buckets and boiled on the stove, her hands were raw, cracked and bleeding from washing floors with lye soap. Meanwhile, the husband and kids got to gallivant off to desk job and school, and come home at the end of the day to a hot meal and freshly scrubbed house.

Granted, a real middle-to-upperclass wife of the Victorian period would likely have had a maid, but the odds are that the sign-holding bikini women would have been among the house servant classes, breaking their backs and sacrificing time with their own families to ensure the comfort of their employer. Maybe the 1% think they don’t need feminism, but the rest of us sure do.

I never saw that, but my mom did. I thought, “This all sounds familiar. Where have I read it before? Oh yeah…Laura Ingalls Wilder!” Because the Little House books were all full of that, and while I admired the resourcefulness of the pioneers, I sure didn’t envy their hardscrabble lives.

I would love to see any neo-traditionalist who’s currently blabbing all over the Internets get teleported into such a situation and see how long they find it tolerable, never mind desirable. Like the Gilligan’s Island theme says: “No phone! No light! No motorcar! Not a single luxury! Like Robinson Crusoe, it’s primitive as can be!”

And then, when they’ve whined themselves all out about it, I’d tell them that THIS is what life was like before all those modern concepts that you find so terribly, terribly immoral. Fun, innit?

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

@BQS: Monkeys get paid to hold signs on fiverr?

They’re used to being paid in peanuts so, you know, win-win.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

I just drained and bandaged a couple of blisters on my younger son’s hand. He washed his hands before, I used a sterile needle, and put antibiotic ointment on before the bandage. So he probably won’t die of a septic infection. Nice to be living now when things like that happen.

Regarding the OP, some people seem to think that Handmaid’s Tale was a how-to manual.

ginatingles
6 years ago

@Lea

re: the spider camp song – would it happen to be this one?

http://songs-with-music.freeservers.com/went-to-camp.html

Because if so, MISANDRY!!!

barcelonaguirigirl
barcelonaguirigirl
6 years ago

Either I don’t know what feminism is, or none of these ladies in the pictures do.

I was already out of college before I was no longer afraid of the F word. I was one of those girls saying, “I’m not a feminist, but…..(insert something feminist).” This was due wholeheartedly to the fact that I received absolutely NO education about the issues and heard exclusively derogatory remarks about Feminists.

I feel sad to think that you have to be looking for it on your own to get an education about women’s issues, but anyone can spread ignorance….

Kakanian
Kakanian
6 years ago

>What do you think…

I think I’d like to know the google search string that brought you here.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I know they shouldn’t…but these sorts of statements make me feel bad about myself. I understand that these women are traditionalists and I really don’t care what they do, but why does the fact that I want to be more than just a stay at home mom make me not “a true woman?” Working in mental health has been my dream for a while now and I will continue to work hard until I get there.

Yet because I’m 22 and I’ve never had a boyfriend in my life, I sometimes feel as if it’ll never happen. Statements like these traditionalist women are making, only drive that knife in deeper. It sometimes feels like they’re flaunting their relationships at women like me as if to say “I’m a perfect housewife with a husband/boyfriend and you, with your college degree are all alone…. Ha! Ha! Ha!”

Still, I’m not super girly and have never been. I’ve often wondered if that’s the reason guys don’t notice me. But that’s just not me. Why can’t I be a “true woman” too? I still hope there are men out there who like women who aren’t ultra-feminine left…

I guess I’m reading way too much into these photos and seeing my insecurities where they don’t exist. Regardless, the Manosphere is not good for my self-image.

Actually, I’m sure that they WANT people to see that and feel insecure. If previous posts by David here are any indication, these guys get their rocks off on seeing young women left reeling by the sheer awfulness of it all. They feed on other people’s insecurities; they think they can climb up by tearing others down. Recognizing that this power trip is a cover for their own inadequacies is the first step to dismantling that house-o-cards. The fact that their “success” depends on others’ destruction is very telling, and bodes ill…for THEM.

Take heart and don’t let the abyss stare back into you. I’m 46 and still not married, either, and I’m pretty sure that if I counted up the number of languages I’ve learned against the number of guys I’ve dated or slept with, the first number would be larger. And you know something? I’m totally fine with that. I’m actually glad of that! I have times when I wonder if there even IS someone out there for me, but then I remind myself that even if there isn’t, at least I’m not in bed with an MRA…and knowing this many languages is a lot of fun, not to mention infinitely useful. I’m determined to make sure the good in me outweighs the bad in those guys, and to enjoy my life no matter what. And to do what is meaningful to me, and maybe even make it helpful to someone else, too. In the end, that’s all any of us really CAN do.

I guess what I’m trying to say here is, keep on doing your thing and being yourself. It will pay off in its own good time, and will lead you to people who appreciate you for it. Faking a “true feminine” persona will only land you in a world of hurt. And it will only prop up the very social structure that’s making life hard for you already. Being yourself is a great way to starve a whole passel of trolls!

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Clothesminded

What’s next gays against gay marriage ?

They exist. Quite a lot of them, actually. Check out the g0ys sometimes, if you need a laugh.

RE: tesformes

I think it was LBT who posted a link to a conversation about g0ys, who acknowledge being attracted to men, but are hyper-masculine about it and believe anal sex permanently defiles your manliness.

That was me, yes! I see it as my sworn duty to make sure people know about the g0ys and how ridiculous they are, so they can mock the living hell out of them.

RE: RandomPoster

human females are indeed really fundamentally opportunistically mercenary.

Not like men, oh no. They are true altruists, every one of them. Also, you know jack shit about sex work, big surprise.

RE: Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I read an interesting theory once, that one of the dynamics with bullies is envy.

I have often wondered to myself whether that little hellion who tormented my predecessors in middle school was trans. The sadistic part of me feels that being a trans woman would be a totally just return for that bullshit. (Also, seriously, how many eleven years olds know that many transmisogynistic slurs if they weren’t considering it already?) God willing, she is now a leggy trans woman who is deeply ashamed of the asshole she used to be, rather than an older, more miserable version of the kid I knew.

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

from that women against feminism site:

I don’t need feminism because a movement that tells me I’m limited because of what’s between my legs does NOT advocate for me.

This just makes me sad… And fear for the city being crushed in the rampage of this giant man of straw.

I think I woulda been happier not knowing that site exists. I want to reply to EVERY one of those pictures. I have a headache now.

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

Oh yeah, does anybody else see the supreme irony of text claiming things are now equal, or that feminism tries to limit women mixed in with text talking about how “real women” stay at home, and men and women have different roles?

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Haven’t touched the comments here yet, and dinner is ready, but…

“I always take the attitude that if something can happen now, it could have happened many years ago as well.”

Taken to the absurdity, by this “logic” humans should’ve colonized space, or whatever it is we’ll be doing in the future, the moment we grew opposable thumbs? I’m sure he means that on a grand scale science and politics and the like could be sped up, which might be sorta true, but in practice? I’m getting more brine shrimp tomorrow, could’ve probably happened today, but last week I didn’t know I’d need more to establish a breeding stock to feed fish I hadn’t yet decided I was going to get.

Silly idea is silly. Now, dinner, then comments! (Might be awhile since I’m going to continue my attempts to get them to eat something besides live brine shrimp!)

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants – I’ve had those same “the lady doth protest too much, methinks” moments. If your life is so great, shouldn’t you be, y’know, living it? And why would you care so much about what strangers think?

Re: “1900 House” – The laundry situation on there was amazing. By the time you washed, dried, starched, ironed and folded everything you needed to do it all again. I had a newborn when I watched it, and I was just imagining how many years of my Victorian life that I would lose to laundering diapers. Ruth Goodman had it right when she said that washing machines were a tool of women’s liberation.

I had a binge of those living history reality shows while I was nursing my first child, so I think I’ve seen most of what the BBC and PBS have to offer. “Manor House” is a good one in the same vein as “1900 House.” That one featured a large group of people living as the servants in a country estate. The series spent as much time – probably more – covering their lives as they did following the family who were living as Edwardian aristocrats. It really gets into how it was degrading, dirty, financially insecure, and physically exhausting the life of a servant could be. Twenty-first century people did not adapt well to those roles (can’t throw stones, I wouldn’t either). I also highly recommend any of the BBC “Farm” series (Victorian Farm, Edwardian Farm, Wartime Farm) with Ruth Goodman, Alex Langlands, and Peter Ginn. They really get into the nitty gritty of what it took to keep body and soul together back in the day.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

I have never had any desire to live in the past. I probably would’ve been burned at the stake AGES ago.

katz
6 years ago

“Ex-gays” are another group of gays against gay marriage.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Oh yeah, does anybody else see the supreme irony of text claiming things are now equal, or that feminism tries to limit women mixed in with text talking about how “real women” stay at home, and men and women have different roles?

Yup. I found myself thinking: Okay, dearies, which is it? Are things naturally “equal already”*, or naturally “traditional”? Because they can’t be both…

* note the quotes; there for a reason.

gilshalos
6 years ago

I kinda prefer the ‘Farm’ shows, cos Ruth, Alex and Peter do know what they are getting into. The 1900s House was good, but a lot of the time with members of the general public taking part in ‘living history’ they had no idea what they were getting into, and tended to throw a fit and walk out. (Again, no throwing stones cos I live in a Glass House) That is fun for reality tv, but less good for genuine interest in how people lived/things were done then.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

I liked the “Farm” series better, too. I came to them last, after I’d already blasted through most of the U.S. and British living history ones. It was nice to see people who knew what they were doing and had some kind of realistic expectations about how events would unfold. And Ruth is just the best to watch – she’s so knowledgeable and enthusiastic.

Nitram
6 years ago

I will never understand why this is so hard to understand. Feminism is ultimately an idea that women can make the choice to be whatever they want (and men too) free from any cultural judgement and programming, narrow gender roles, etc. So be a lawyer or be a housewife! No problem! Cook for your man? Fine by me! Shave your bits? Grow them out? Whatevs!!! Like my mom always said “if a woman rejects feminism, she better be glad another woman didn’t” or she wouldn’t be able to speak on these issues, vote on them, publicly proclaim them, make the choice, etc.
feminism is this giant wrong tree that everyone keeps barking up.

scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

These pictures remind me of those pictures we saw on Facebook right after the Occupy movement hit the news. They were people claiming to be non-rich who’d done just fine and were critical of those who criticized the 1%. Some of them told really improbably stores of how poor they were and how well they did through hard work and being careful with money. Some of them were downright unbelievable – maybe one person could do it, but not everybody like the person holding the sign was implying. Anyone else see these?

katz
6 years ago

Scarlettpipstrelle: Oh yes, the 53%. And now I’m assuming that most of them are Polish girls paid by the Romney campaign.

strivingally
6 years ago

Re: the ideas about feminism being opposed to women being SAHMs, celebrating their femininity, or whatever traditionally “female” thing is supposedly anti-feminist:

As a friend once said to me when I was talking about my wife taking my surname when we got married, “The *conversation* is the feminist part.”

Or to put it another way, talking to your SO/coparent as equals and deciding one of you will stay home and look after the kids while the other works isn’t anti-feminist – not having the conversation because it’s assumed Women Should Be The Homemakers is.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

The whole fiverr thing is just sad as I can easily see Pauly spending the cash he conned out of his followers on having women hold up signs with ignorant crap on them instead of actually helping someone.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to learn that one of the women was paid to hold up a “feminist” slogan in order to fuel Reddit ragewank

cloudiah
6 years ago

feminism is this giant wrong tree that everyone keeps barking up.

I approve of this sentence. Slightly too long for a tattoo, but I’m considering it.

RAL
RAL
6 years ago

There is zero credibility for any of these people holding those kind of signs. I had a look at that fiverr site and the first seven offers were-

“I will give you 66 pictures of me copyright free use them on websites…”
“I will dress in bikini swimsuit and hold your sign”
“I will take amazing art HQ photos of me holding your sign”
“I will model your merchandise or hold your sign”
“I will hold your Sign or Message”
“I will take 5 pictures of me holding a sign”
“I will hold your sign in front of the eiffel”

Sounds like people desperately trying to raise enough to pay their rent.

RandomPoster
RandomPoster
6 years ago

And whoever said I was shaming them eh? And if you’ll notice, it’s female posters who are claiming to be depressed about this state of affairs. I myself am relieved that my cynicism is vindicated : D

lkeke35
lkeke35
6 years ago

Speaking from their world of young, pretty, middle class, White girl privilege. There are women all over the world who don’t get a choice about staying home and being traditional of going out in the world to work. (In fact, for much of the history of the world, women worked outside the home in Africa, Asia, India.)

There are plenty of women right here in this country who have little choice in the matter.
They’re vilified by politicians and the media no matter what they do: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/07/arrested-for-letting-a-9-year-old-play-at-the-park-alone/374436/

This just so totally pisses me off. Its exceptionally easy for them to sit up on their overprivileged asses and hold these signs. Easiest thing in the world.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RandomPoster, I repeat: and men AREN’T mercenary? Sure, buddy.

Also, I’m glad you’re enjoying wallowing in your cynicism. Try not to wank while listening to Simple Plan now.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Some of those signs have been photoshopped and repurposed from Project Unbreakable. That is effing inexcusable.