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On The Spearhead, the regulars reject women rejecting feminism

From Women Against Feminism
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Are women turning against feminism? Over on The Spearhead, WF Price sets forth the proposition that “the younger generation of women [is] rejecting ‘feminism’ in stronger terms than I’ve ever witnessed in my life.”

His proof for this? A Tumblr blog called Women Against Feminism, featuring a couple dozen photos of women holding signs denouncing feminism. Or what they think feminism is, anyway.

Some of these women are fairly articulate about the source of their hostility against feminism: they’re traditionalists who don’t like being judged for their choices:

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Others seem to be reacting against stereotypical notions of feminism that bear little relation to the real thing:

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Still others have somewhat more, well, idiosyncratic reasons:

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For whatever reason, quite a few of the women posting these pictures are from Poland.

At least here in the US, it’s not news that a lot of women reject feminism – or at least the feminist label. There are plenty of  traditionalist women who reject the central tenets of feminism. And there are many others who may share some feminist beliefs but don’t want to call themselves feminists, in part because of the bad rap feminists get in the media and, these days, online. Anyone who’s been a feminist for any length of time has heard women (and some men) announce that “I’m not a feminist, but …” and then follow that statement with a sentiment that is, by any reasonable definition, feminist.

Now some of these “I’m not a feminist, but” types are posting pictures like this, using what is essentially a feminist analysis to criticize what they see as a central shortcoming of feminism:

 

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Naturally, WF Price has a somewhat different explanation for this alleged trend.

What I think is going on here is that younger women need men more than their older, feminist counterparts did in their heyday.

And why is that? Because times are hard. And so even though men today are struggling, women are struggling even more, and so – in WF Price’s imagination, anyway — they’ve come to appreciate what men can do for them.

The less men have – and the less men there are in general – the more women need them. Without men or without men of means, there can be no surplus, no you-go-grrrrl feminism, no fancy restaurants and no nice houses. Everything just goes to crap.

Heck, Price argues, even men without jobs make better roommates for women than other women, because, you know, they can open jars and stuff:

[W]hat use could a man possibly be if he has no money to speak of? Only someone who has never lived with a woman could find that one hard to answer. A healthy young man with no money can drive, carry things, fix things, protect his mate, solve problems, save money, do chores — the list goes on. And when he gets a job, he will pay his way and do all these things, even if he makes less than his girlfriend. It’s a much, much better deal for a woman than a female roommate.

According to Price, feminism had whatever successes it did have in the past because the economy was booming.

What created this “independent woman” myth was the great prosperity of the baby boomer era, which lasted from roughly the mid 60s to the mid 2000s. Men abounded, and they were flush with cash. Businesses could afford to hire superfluous cute girls and give them nice salaries. Family courts could rob men blind and they’d still have enough left over for a reasonable lifestyle and a chance to start over. Men were harvesting the fat of the land, and there was more than enough to go around.

Huh. I lived through that baby boomer era, and I’m pretty sure that it wasn’t one giant materialistic orgy. There were, I vaguely recall, more than a couple of pretty severe recessions. And back in the heyday of second wave feminism in the seventies there was something called “stagflation.”

But let’s not get in the way of WF Price’s little fairy tale. In the baby boomer era, everyone prospered. Now, everyone is poor. Or at least the young people are:

When you’re poor, life is a lot easier if you can share with someone, and nobody shares more with girls than boys. So merely finding a man to share burdens is a considerable relief to young women. Is a feminist going to fix a car, carry a TV upstairs or take her to the hospital to give birth? Will the feminist voluntarily share any of what she earns with the young woman? Yeah, right…

Apparently in Price’s world “the feminist” is essentially a female version of Scrooge McDuck.

Male scarcity in either numbers or resources effectively prevents feminism. Surplus enables it. In a sense, one could say that feminism’s own downfall is built in to the ideology itself, because it contributes to male scarcity.

Wars between the sexes accomplish nothing in the long run, but they do highlight the complementary, interdependent nature of the sexes: when one sex “beats” the other, both lose. Today’s young women seem to understand that a lot better than their foolish mothers ever did.

In the comments, the Spearhead regulars are less forgiving of “foolish” women than Price is. Regular commenter Geographybeefinalisthimself suggests that antifeminist men should be something less than gracious in their (alleged) victory:

Even if women are in fact rejecting feminism (and I treat this with a lot of suspicion), I don’t see why men should not be vindictive since feminists were pretty damn vindictive to men (myself included, though I am well aware that I am not the only one) when male power was a myth.

Since young men got paid back for discrimination that wasn’t their fault, I don’t see why they shouldn’t turn around and do likewise to a subsequent generation of females. If feminism can come to an end now (and I am not convinced that it is dead yet), it also could have come to an end twenty years ago. I always take the attitude that if something can happen now, it could have happened many years ago as well.

Someone calling himself Lastango, meanwhile, indulges himself in some hypothetical Atlas Shrugging:

[T]he tide is going out and it’s increasingly obvious feminism has been swimming naked, keeping its head above water only because it could float on government money. Unfortunately for feminists, this is happening at the very moment men are increasingly aware of having been demonized and exploited during the past 40 years, and Atlas is starting to shrug… he’ll be staying dry, on the beach, instead of swimming out to rescue a drowning political tribe of privileged, entitled women who have been using him for their own gain.

The misogynists of the manosphere are never quite so happy as when they contemplate women being punished.

The women posting pictures to the Women Against Feminism blog might be surprised by how ungentlemanly these fellows really are.

NOTE: I cropped the pics from Women Against Feminism to save space and highlight the signs.

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damselindetech
10 years ago

Note to self:

– Tonight, create own “I don’t need feminism because” signs. Topics to cover, “Because who’s going to open this jar of pickles?” “If I wanted my own opinion, I’d wash the dishes,” “I am the 99%” and “Women were never victimized before feminism was invented because sciencefacts.”

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

What I think is going on here is that younger women need men more than their older, feminist counterparts did in their heyday.

What you think is going on here doesn’t matter, Mr. Price. You can kid yourself that you are “needed”, but nobody missed you when you went byebye. Doesn’t that tell you anything?

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

[T]he tide is going out and it’s increasingly obvious feminism has been swimming naked, keeping its head above water only because it could float on government money. Unfortunately for feminists, this is happening at the very moment men are increasingly aware of having been demonized and exploited during the past 40 years, and Atlas is starting to shrug… he’ll be staying dry, on the beach, instead of swimming out to rescue a drowning political tribe of privileged, entitled women who have been using him for their own gain.

So… if the tide is going out, is feminism going to drown,or be stranded naked on dry land? Because i thought it was the tide coming in that tended to drown people. If feminism has been doing fine so far, why is low tide going to kill it?

I’m confused.

Also, I’m 23 and a feminist. Suck it, MRAs.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

So, this would make, what? The umpteenth-thousandth time someone has declared feminism “dead” and “over?”

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

T]he tide is going out and it’s increasingly obvious feminism has been swimming naked, keeping its head above water only because it could float on government money. Unfortunately for feminists, this is happening at the very moment men are increasingly aware of having been demonized and exploited during the past 40 years, and Atlas is starting to shrug… he’ll be staying dry, on the beach, instead of swimming out to rescue a drowning political tribe of privileged, entitled women who have been using him for their own gain.

Wow, dat mixed metaphor :/

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Women who live together never share anything? What are friends? What are lesbians? I know not of these things.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Why is the naked part important? Is this some sort of Jaws metaphor where the giant shark of regressive masculinity is going to take a bite out of our hapless feminist swimmer?

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

I mean, when I lived with two other women in college, I was definitely the Opener of Jars. Actually, now that I live with my husband, I’m still the Opener of Jars. Guess I don’t qualify as a feeeeeemale then. The High Council should probably rescind my woman card.

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

I admit that I get my bf to open jars for me. And every time I ask him to open one, I think – I should really get a thingy that makes it easy to open jars. It’s almost like you can replace brute strength with tools.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
10 years ago

[W]hat use could a man possibly be if he has no money to speak of? Only someone who has never lived with a woman could find that one hard to answer. A healthy young man with no money can drive, carry things, fix things, protect his mate, solve problems, save money, do chores — the list goes on.

W.F. Price is right. Men are very useful, especially broke ones like college kids. Every boyfriend I have ever had passed a battery of utility tests before I allowed him into the warmth of my intimate regard. I lived on the third floor of my dorm senior year, and I set three suitors to doing windsprints up and down the flights of stairs, loaded with bags full of my makeup and salon-quality hair products. I had to make sure that they were ready for moving day, y’see. The two who passed the final heat were then sent into the parking lot, where they had to pass a fiendish driving obstacle course of my own design (what if I’m late for an appointment? I mean, I couldn’t possibly drive myself?!). The winner of the road rally then had to finish an advanced sudoku puzzle book, correctly fill in the Saturday New York Times crossword in ink, and craft a proposal to balance the federal budget (it was the GW Bush administration, too – that was a toughie for the poor guy). His final task was to fend off bandits with his bare hands, his wits and a clever selection of everyday items that he could fashion into tools, a la McGuyver. Only after he had proved his value as a young, healthy man of limited means did he receive the ultimate prize: a ham sandwich, crafted by my own fair hand, and a seat next to me on the industrial dorm couch to watch “Total Request Live.”

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Since when were the 60’s through the mid 00’s the boom times. What Robert Reich calls the “great prosperity” was between the mid 40’s and the mid 70’s. Ever since than things have been shaky.

Perhaps you could make the case that movements can thrive more in economic boom times. However, Price is dead wrong that feminism thrived because women were living off men. The 60’s through mid 2000’s actually saw a lot more women becoming financially independent of men. Thanks to feminism!

Tough economic times do see membership in reactionary movements rising. Maybe that is why it seems like misogyny has gotten more virulent the last few years. It would make sense. Racist hate groups have become more popular in the US and fascism and neo Nazism has become more popular all over Europe. So it’s no surprise that the backlash against feminism is getting worse. But again, that’s not because feminists are all about getting dat money from men. It’s because scapegoating is an easier response to financial crisis than trying to change a corrupt system.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I hope my last post wasn’t too word salad.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

The less men have – and the less men there are in general – the more women need them. Without men or without men of means, there can be no surplus, no you-go-grrrrl feminism, no fancy restaurants and no nice houses. Everything just goes to crap.

What is this, the Trickle-Down Economics of Sex? What exactly is this clown trying to say? Because whatever he’s saying, it’s clearly bass-ackwards to reality. Feminism is about NOT depending on men for every last fucking thing. It is, among other things, about equal pay for equal work, so that we don’t have to marry our fortunes like our mothers and grandmothers did in the 1950s. We can make them ourselves, or should be able to, in a just society. Feminism is about bringing on the just society, not female supremacy.

This argument, like those on the sad little signs from that sad little Tumblr, is just so full of shit.

Male scarcity in either numbers or resources effectively prevents feminism. Surplus enables it. In a sense, one could say that feminism’s own downfall is built in to the ideology itself, because it contributes to male scarcity.

Oh look! There’s that bogus Man Shortage thing again. I’ve been hearing that one rather constantly since, oh, about 1987. And yet, all these guys seem to keep getting born in equal numbers to us…

Next thing you know, one of these clods will tell me I stand a greater chance of being kidnapped by terrorists than married, especially since I’m over 40.

I need feminism because I keep hearing the same damn bullshit over and over again, and I am so sick of it.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

1. I have a sudden urge to carry my television upstairs. Just because.
2. What it that white and red rectangle thing on the sign in the first photo? Is that supposed to be an equal sign or something?

me and not you
me and not you
10 years ago

If it’s a sealed twist lid, you can pop it with a spoon to break the seal and then it’ll open right up. Science, bitches. Also, when I was in my 80% feeeemale house, I was the fixer of the toilet… though at some point I declared a couple people were not allowed near tools, since whenever they attempted to fix something, I frequently had to come in afterward and repair the damage. :/

Andrea Jones
10 years ago

Preeeety sure feminists are actually decent at opening jars, carrying TVs, doing basic auto maintenance, and driving people to hospitals. Because, you know, we’re pretty much all about not waiting around for A Dude to show up and make life navigable for us. I’m a little surprised he didn’t include dealing with spiders in the bathtub.

Not to mention that he sort of seems to be characterizing women-only households as 1950s schlock-novel gynocracies, in which feminists are all masculine lesbians doing a bad job of being men, and Real Women await their male liberators in desperation.

Then again, that does seem to be the MRA Way: desperate bids for cultural relevance and women’s gratitude.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Crap. A two-dot ellipse!

David, I think you need an in person check in visit with a member of the Feminist High Council. A two dot ellipse is an early sign of becoming an MRA. I’ll send a memo to one of the Supreme Leaders of the Council.

I’m sorry to tell you this, but if we determine that you are at risk for joining the MRM we will have to send you to the Feminist Reeducation Camp underneath the Yankee Candle corporate headquarters. Don’t worry. We will assign someone to cat sit while you’re away.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

@Kim: You don’t even need one of those things! Just put a thick rubber band (like the kind that comes around a bundle of asparagus) around the lid, and hey-presto!, increased friction, therefore increased ease of jar opening!

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

A handy tip for opening a stubborn jar: Put on a leather glove. You’ll friction so your grip will be tight but unlike using a dish towel to cover your hand, you’ll still have full use of your fingers. I’ve lived alone for years and have yet to meet a jar I can’t conquer thanks to leather gloves.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Oh! And in China and India, the number of men actually outstrips that of women by a large margin. That’s because rampant sexism there has ensured that fewer girls get born and live to adulthood. So there are millions of men in both countries who are, ironically, doomed never to be married, because sexism has robbed them of potential brides. THEY need feminism in the worst way!

But I don’t suppose we’ll hear Mr. Price prating about that anytime soon…

latintruth
10 years ago

Yes, I get my husband to open jars too but only after I give it a go myself. Then when he opens the jar I tell him he could only open it because I loosened it up for him. Oh my evil feminist mind, Grandma would be proud!

Skye
Skye
10 years ago

WWTH, your post was not word salad. In fact, the last paragraph was dead on.

As to the women who think they don’t need feminism because they like to cook/clean/look sexy, I don’t see any conflict between that and feminism. If that’s your thing, cool. I just don’t believe a particular role should be forced on anyone.

The other antifeminist signs just kind of left me with a “you have no idea what you’re talking about here” feeling.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
10 years ago

@grumpycatisagirl – I think that’s supposed to be the Polish flag?

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