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The gender and racial makeovers of Thor and Captain America rustle jimmies at The Spearhead and Chateau Heartiste

Captain America and the guy who'll be taking over his job
Captain America and the guy who’ll be taking over his job

So it turns out that Red Pill Redditors aren’t the only ones in a tizzy about Marvel comics’ plan to replace Thor (the superhero, not the actual Norse god, all praise him) with a woman. All over the manosphere, jimmies are rustling at the news.

The proudly racist, woman-hating pickup artist guru known as Heartiste is not only outraged by the “gelding” of Thor but also, and even more vehemently, by Marvel’s decision to make Captain America black, which he bizarrely describes as a kind of racial cuckolding:

Liberals are gloating over the recent editorial choices to geld Thor and race cuck Captain America. The former will become Whor, the female Thor, and the latter will become Captain Gibsmedat, the numinous negro who saves the right kinds of white people from the wrong kinds of white people.

“Gibsmedat” – I had to look it up – is a term that ridiculous racists like to use to describe welfare checks and other “goods, services, or material … given predominately to minorities, in exchange for their tacit agreement to reciprocate by not burning down America’s cities.” It’s short, you see, for “gibs me dat.”

Hilarious, huh? The term seems to be especially popular on Chimpmania.com, a site so ludicrously racist it makes Stormfront look tame.

Heartiste continues, lashing out at a “fat white liberal quasi-male named Devin Faraci” for publicly supporting Marvel’s decision to (at least temporarily) give the Captain America costume to The Falcon, another public-spirited superhero who happens to be black:

The fat white liberal face is archetypal. These race traitors all have a “look”, don’t they? Genetics, perhaps, or just a lifetime spent wiping orange Cheetostaches off their porcine mugs. Look at that faggot. He could double as an old lesbian halfway through her hormonal replacement therapy. If ever a face looked as if it was born to have a fist buried in it, Faraci has it.

Homoophia, racism, misogyny, fat-shaming, then back to homophobia before ending with a fantasy of violence. Charming, huh?

Faraci, for his part, has taken that last bit about facepunching  in stride, adopting it as his Twitter bio.

Oh, but Heartiste isn’t done yet: he then goes on to accuse Faraci – on the basis of precisely no evidence – of hypocritically living in a neighborhood devoid of “the minorities he jerks off to.”

The anti-white liberal white male is the most loathsome of creatures. More despicable than the minorities he jerks off to, because he fulminates a credo at 180 degree odds with his chosen lifestyle for status whoring feels. Hypocritical, smug, and you just know the first to run from a fight, gathering his skirt up and shrieking like a little girl.

I wonder about the demographics of this pigman’s neighborhood? Anyone care to investigate? I might put up a post in future called “The Leftoid List”, with the names of infamous anti-white leftoid equalist turds juxtaposed with the race demographics of their immediate neighborhoods. Should be illuminating.

That would be illuminating. Not about the “Leftoids” in question, but about the fellow who calls himself Heartiste.

The comments to Heartiste’s article are, of course, appalling, filled with rants about “homos and … leftards” and “social justice fags.” They hit all the “alt right” talking points, from homophobia to racism.

They even manage to evoke the far right’s all-time favorite villain: The Jew. One commenter announces that he

did some half-hearted googling about “Faraci” to see whether his mother had been a jewess or maybe whether he had changed his jew birthname to a more WOP-sounding name when he joined the Film Actors Guild … .

And then there’s this exchange:

Bill  What a lardass scumbag. I don’t go to those movies but lots of impressionable people do, both in the US as well as abroad. The lefties who dominate the entertainment industry are on a crusade to insert black hero type characters into every film, even if it means switching an existing character’s race from white to black. If an immigrant from an out of the way place arrived here and watched tv and movies he would think all blacks are honest judges, compassionate doctors, and wise presidents and half the white people were criminals.      on July 18, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Reply Hilary Clinton      “lefties” is speld J-E-

(I’m pretty sure that is not the actual Hillary Clinton commenting.)

Meanwhile, another commenter claims that this “anti-White Kulturkampf [is] part of the greatest gencoide ever perpetrated.”

That’s right: Heartiste’s neo-Nazi fanboys think there’s a Nazi-style genocide being perpetuated against them.

Not that they’re particularly shy about advocating violence themselves. One long-time commenter writes:

Laguna Beach Fogey  That fat white liberal head would look awesome stuck on a pike outside the Chateau’s walls.

Meanwhile, another commenter posts the address and telephone number of a guy named Farci living in California; another gently points outit’s up to someone who calls himself Ted Cunterblast to point out that he’s gotten the guy’s name wrong. Yes, that’s right: among Heartiste’s followers, it’s Ted Cunterblast who serves as the closest thing to a voice of reason.

But it’s not just Heartiste and his horde who are angry about white male superheros becoming something other than white or male.

Over on the also-ran Men’s Rights hub The Spearhead, W.F. Price takes a few minutes out from tending to the new baby in the household to bash out some ill-formed thoughts on what he calls “Trans Thor.”

I’m not sure whether this is an attempt to grab some publicity or a true appeal to feminists/transsexuals, but it’s a risky move in the long-term. While adults might tolerate the switch as an amusing diversion, comics are fundamentally children’s literature. …

So I wonder whether this new storyline is intended for an adult audience, and if so, whether it’s a signal that Marvel either doesn’t care about the base market for comics, or has already been surpassed by other companies that appeal better to boys and has decided to give up. …

And if Marvel thinks it can make up for the loss of interest in boys by picking up girls, it’s time to think again. Normal girls (as opposed to future feminists) far prefer feminine characters doing ladylike things — not dominatrix types holding giant hammers. …

Finally, adult women who like Thor will not be all that happy about this. Thor’s main appeal to women is as a Nordic hunk. It’s hard to overstate the appeal of manly warriors with flowing blond hair — especially to white women. Changing Thor into a woman is going to seriously anger some of these female fans; perhaps even more than the men.

The commenters on The Spearhead, as usual, manage to outdo Price in their bigotry and ridiculousness.

One commenter claims that

This is just another variation on “piss Christ.” Changing a European mythical figure into a woman is meant to humiliate.

Spearhead regular Uncle Elmer suggests that switching Thor’s gender is designed to appeal to actual feminist Nazis:

Himmler was fascinated by Teutonic myths and named his daughter after some Germanic heroine. He was also obsessed with pre-Christian witch cults and blamed the church for mass murder of thousands of witches during the middle ages.

So it fits that making Thor a woman is a move to placate Femi-Nazis.

Meanwhile, Nemo suggests that the gender-switchers are more like old-school Stalinists:

This trend of replacing/murdering/transgendering/etc. white heterosexual male characters reminds me of the Soviet Union’s airbrushing of Politburo members who had fallen out of favor with Stalin.  A newly declared “unperson” such as Trotsky who had been photographed with Lenin would be turned into a wall or a tree in the old photos . The Party would “re-imagine” history in a manner that made it conform with current doctrine.  http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html  The link above notes that women are willing to use the same technique to remove old boyfriends and ex-husbands from family photos.  The parallels between communism and feminism are no longer being downplayed or suppressed by the MSM. Why bother? It’s now considered to be perfectly normal to distort reality or fiction or anything else for political motives.  Anyone who objects to the airbrushing of the past is now the bad guy.  How long will it be before they start sending thugs with icepicks after real men instead of just killing comic book characters?

I don’t know, dude. Probably never? It’s not feminists who are suggesting that a punch in the face – or a beheading – is the proper response to a comic book character getting a gender or racial makeover.

 

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An anon
An anon
10 years ago

The “Jew” comment is hilarious, given that Captain America (and Thor for that matter) were made by *gasp* JEWISH PEOPLE!

strivingally
10 years ago

I wonder if those same guys were pissed about Rhodey getting to wear an Iron Man armour? Or was that okay so long as his armour’s Similar But Separate? 😛

princesssunnyburn
10 years ago

“Stalin used photoshop, women use photoshop! WOMEN ARE LITERALLY STALIN.”

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

After reading all that, you should watch this:

Make sure you get to the part where mommy dog rescues her kitten from the clutches of evil syringe holder.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

Somebody may have already posted this on Manboobz–I forgot where I found it. But you should still watch it!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

comics are fundamentally children’s literature. …

Yeah right. That’s why Watchmen, Maus, and The Dark Knight were all so fucking popular. You know! For KIDS! Also, since when does having a black character make something for adults? EXPLAIN THIS BULLSHIT.

Also, yeah, comics are totally sold to little kids. That’s why DC’s head dude has infamously declared he markets to old fanboys. You know the people I see reading superhero comics? Hint: it ain’t little kids. It’s teenagers and adults.

Also, dudes. Comics in the US weren’t all your superhero power wanks. ROMANCE COMICS. They were a thing! A big profitable thing! Black people made plenty of comics! It’s not like they just popped into existence in the 70s! Look at Krazy Kat! Look at Torchy Brown!

Comics originally attracted minorities, especially Jewish people, because they were considered a “low” medium and minorities were historically banned from “higher” artistic fields. So they went into comics. Then the CCA came and basically white-washed comics, in more ways than one.

I just want to sic Amanda Waller on all these chumps.

cloudiah
10 years ago

There is absolutely nothing wrong with re-posting adorable animal videos. Especially on a thread with quotes from racists, anti-semites, and misogynists (funny how those groups overlap so perfectly).

kittehserf
10 years ago

It’s a wonder Fartiste doesn’t sprain something, working his despicable fuckwit muscle so hard.

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

This is just another variation on “piss Christ.” Changing a European mythical figure into a woman is meant to humiliate.

They act as if the comic book adaptation of Thor had any more in common with the Norse god than name. They also fail to realize that comic characters have changed gender and skin color before.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Seriously, all the entitled comics fanboys can just go fuck a cactus. This is my bailiwick, and I hate how they think they fucking own an entire creative medium PURELY because the damn Comics Code Authority axed their competition in the 50s.

It’s art. It does not. Belong. TO YOU.

They obviously don’t know about Isaiah Bradley, the dude who was the FIRST Captain America. (Not written, but given the title by Marvel, and from what I hear actually discussed… you know, the REALLY FUCKING CREEPY eugenics implications of Captain America’s super-serum.)

Falconer
Falconer
10 years ago

@wordsp1nner: Thanks, I needed that. I couldn’t get all the way through even the first few quotes from Fartiste.

(What’s up with him and faces, anyway?)

I think I shall now go back to staring into the abyss of Cap’s eyes up top. I think Kirby made him slightly wall eyed in that picture….

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Also, okay, show of hands here, female Mammoths: how many of you are just so torn up about losing the sole hunky blond dude in all of comics to a woman?

Also, while Googling said heroes, OH GOD LOOK WHAT I FOUND. It’s an Anti-Semitic comic book done by intactivists to fight circumcision, where the villains are eeeeevil rabbis and the hero, Foreskin Man (!!!!!) is yes! Blond-haired blue-eyed all-American dude! The archvillain’s name is Monster Mohel.

Just… just let that sink in for a bit. Foreskin Man vs. Monster Mohel.

…times like this, I’m actually ashamed to make comics.

ajhagg
ajhagg
10 years ago

Their detachment from reality is truly amazing. It’s like their superpower.

coleopteron
coleopteron
10 years ago

Both of these are so obviously temporary anyway. Not that it matters to these guys.

When the status quo returns, they’ll be too busy complaining about a black women somewhere being recognised for an accomplishment to notice.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

OH MY SWEET FUCKING JESUS FORESKIN MAN HAS A FUCKING SONG I AM NOT EVEN JOKING A FUCKING SONG.

SOMEBODY WROTE THIS. THEY MADE THIS.

… *shriiiiiiiieeeeeek*

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

And if Marvel thinks it can make up for the loss of interest in boys by picking up girls, it’s time to think again. Normal girls (as opposed to future feminists) far prefer feminine characters doing ladylike things — not dominatrix types holding giant hammers. …

Unlike Mr Price I was once a little girl, and all I have to say is, LOL! Granted that when he was a little boy the girls probably didn’t want to talk to him, so perhaps this is why he’s so unfamiliar with the kind of things they tend to enjoy reading.

Finally, adult women who like Thor will not be all that happy about this. Thor’s main appeal to women is as a Nordic hunk. It’s hard to overstate the appeal of manly warriors with flowing blond hair — especially to white women. Changing Thor into a woman is going to seriously anger some of these female fans; perhaps even more than the men.

Remember in the other thread when we officially determined that the most universally lusted after male celebrity for a couple of generations worth of women was Keanu Reeves? I personally rather like his hair long and flowing, so if he wants to grow it out again I’d be all for it, but Nordic he is not.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
10 years ago

Good lord. What is that symbol on Foreskin Man’s chest supposed to be?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

@ LBT

This is your first encounter with Foreskin Man? I’d love to sit in on the therapy sessions of the dude who wrote that shit.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

Okay, I am not a huge comics person, but I’ve read a few, including some more modern superhero comics, and most are not for children. Jesus Christ, no. And this isn’t necessarily a bad thing–I really like Saga, but NOT FOR KIDS NOT FOR KIDS. About the only comic I’ve read I’d recommend for young children is PS 238, and Digger and Runaways for tweens+ (okay, I recommend them for everyone old enough, and DIGGER IS FINISHED AND COMPLETELY FREE IF YOU FEEL LIKE CRYING).

I’m sure there are children’s comics out there but… they are their own thing. They aren’t the ones news stories are published about.

Also: any recommendations for good comics/webcomics?

Quackers
Quackers
10 years ago

Interesting that that a bunch of self-proclaimed “alphas” are getting so mangry about comic books. I thought those were the territory of “beta nerds”?

Not like they know jack shit about the characters in question. Despite the kind of stereotypes the name Captain America conjures, he would be horrified at the antisemitism and racism in Fartiste’s post and comment section. This is a superhero that punched Hitler in the face http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Captainamerica1.jpg

There’s lots of scans of comic frames online where Cap is speaking positively about diversity too.

On top of that, Falcon is one of Captain America’s closest friends. That friendship was introduced in the second Captain America film too. And did they get that pissed off when Bucky became Cap for awhile in the comics? most likely not. Because they either didn’t know about it, or wouldn’t care because Bucky is white.

It pisses me off when raging bigots try to co-op these characters for their own sick cause. As for Thor (I’m not really a big fan as much as I am the Cap) there’s been much mentioned about how he’s been turned into non-human characters and no one gives a shit, but replace him with a feeeeeemale? which brings me to this:

This is just another variation on “piss Christ.” Changing a European mythical figure into a woman is meant to humiliate.

They think being a woman is humiliating. It’s degrading. What is worse that being changed into a woman? or being replaced by lowly woman? We are garbage to them. Except when we provide free cooking and cleaning, sex and birthing their children. And even then…

Well they can stomp their feet and throw their temper tantrums like the spoiled children they are. More and more people and companies are realizing that other genders and races deserve representation too and if they don’t like it, well tough titties.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I was expecting the song to be all FORESKIN MAN! Like He-Man or something. What is this cheesy disco crap?

Emma
Emma
10 years ago

They get so pissy about “trans-Thor” when the actual real super manly Norse god Thor cross-dressed as Freja to get back his hammer from a giant who demanded to marry her in return for it. Freja sure wasn’t going to help him, so Thor had to do it himself…
Just fyi. Cross-dressing Thor (in a wedding dress none the less) was a thing in the mythology.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Can I just say how glad I am to hear that, unlike MRAs, there are some people out there fighting for (mostly) men in prison? And starting to win?

This is great news. There’s tons more to do, but it is great news.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Normal girls (as opposed to future feminists) far prefer feminine characters doing ladylike things — not dominatrix types holding giant hammers. …

WTF is projecting like IMAX again.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Unimaginative

What is that symbol on Foreskin Man’s chest supposed to be?

A foreskin.

RE: cassandrakitty

This is your first encounter with Foreskin Man?

It is. I had no idea this thing existed. Not only that, but the moment I posted it on tumblr, I got this intactivist doofus basically sneering at me for thinking this shit was ridiculous. And also implying that demonizing black people, Muslims, and Jews is totally okay because BABY MUTILATORS!

What is this cheesy disco crap?

I DON’T KNOW BUT I THINK I LOVE IT.

RE: wordsp1nner

Also: any recommendations for good comics/webcomics?

Only webcomics I read right now are O Human Star (queer trans robots!) and Manly Guys Doing Manly Things (the punchline is machismo!). I also really love TJ and Amal, which just finished (quiet character-focused road trip love story).

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