@LBT That’s really cool! Distribution of your art, cash, and helping people! Doesn’t get much better than that. Unless a puppy is involved somewhere.
@aggzilary And now I learned how people learn to tattoo. That is pretty cool as well.
@Tracy, that’s great for your brother. Meds can be such a pain. (This is coming from someone on anti anxiety/depression meds, so yay for finding something that works.)
As for moi, I have stopped self harming/hiding in my house, finished my summer course, and had one year anniversary with boyfriend. (One year is a big deal for me. I barely date) And it turns out that my boyfriend is not in danger of MRA transformation because he likes real stats, and wants to volunteer more (He already does an after school program/homework help thing for kids in underfunded schools.) His first idea? Planned Parenthood. (When it turned out that the ones around here don’t need clinic escorts he decided to try something else, but I’m glad he thought of it.) So I think he’s okay, and is, in fact, the same respectful, kind, and endearing man I fell for. He just identifies as a gender egalitarian and wants more open dialogue. (I think he fell in with some TERFs before we met and they were mean to him, judging by his descriptions and that they told him that he was invalid and should die.)
And now I am sleepy. One day I will make cakes and write novels for a living and not get up obscenely early.
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago
Working my way through the thread but…
Congrats LBT!!
Nequam — your book binding link leads to WAAAY more info than I’d give out where MRAs lurk, might want to ask a mod to remove it and put the images on instagram or such.
Unimaginative
10 years ago
And now I am sleepy. One day I will make cakes and write novels for a living and not get up obscenely early.
This is a very good plan. I approve.
hellkell
10 years ago
Congrats LBT!
Scrotovers anthems:
Cant Stand Losing You by The Police
What Do I Get/ by The Buzzcocks (quite possibly the whiniest song ever recorded)
Just about any song off the Violent Femmes first album
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago
J.J. — congrats to you and your boyfriend! Shitty about what TERfs said to him though.
Leum — lack of cis privilege examples — forms requiring you to pick male or female (super bonus points if it’s an online registration form where they’ll NEVER need it for so much as pronouns//titles); having to use the bathroom for your assigned gender, even if the other one would be more convinent; all the evo psych stuff that forgets we exist and gender roles are socially determined; some trans ideas, like saying you transition to the opposite gender as the one you were assigned (how non-binary friendly trans discourse is depends WILDLY on what you’re reading // who you’re interacting with).
Argenti stuff — R’s buying me fish for the 55g tomorrow!! FINALLY!!! And I might get Puff some tankmates (bumblebee gobies), but idk, there’s a risk he’ll consider them food. Though my mother notes I’ve had him over a year now, and he recognizes me as his human and is SMART (when I’ve had anyone else feed him, he basically ignores them, me? He’s all over his pipette before I can squeeze out food!) So I’m thinking I might be able to introduce the gobies such that he doesn’t see them as food. Also, the places he’s staked out as territory probably wouldn’t appeal to gobies. Idk though, I figure I’ll decide tomorrow while staring at them in the store. If I do get them, I’m redecorating and adding more hiding spots, one’s he definitely won’t want to use, when I introduce them. I’m hoping that’d make Puff go to defend his territory (which I won’t move much), and not be interested in them as much, let them stake their claims while he’s sorting his out.
And for those who missed it, R is my now ex-BF, who said he’d finish paying me for his web site’s design in fish once the 55g was ready, and my pharm student is all graduated and thus we’ll be calling zir L (not to be confused with Death Note’s L, I’m the one with his traits!). L has a fancy VA job and is gonna come up and visit once the pay starts rolling in.
This time tomorrow I will hopefully be staring at catfish, and maybe watching Puff to make sure he’s not going after his new friends.
Just about any song off the Violent Femmes first album
Especially Add It Up. I kind of loved the Violent Femmes as a teenager, but there is some f’d up shit in there when you look critically.
hellkell
10 years ago
cloudiah: I damn near wore that cassette out when I was 16, but hoo-boy, it is a hot mess.
pendraegon
10 years ago
@Ally S What does CAMAB stand for? I’m just curious, I almost always end up hopelessly confused when trying to keep track of the proper terms regarding trans individuals.
Leum
10 years ago
Coercively assigned male at birth. I, personally, am not a huge fan of applying it to myself, as I don’t feel the assignment was coercive so much as incorrect. The label I personally prefer is dmab (designated male at birth).
pendraegon
10 years ago
@Leum Ah that clears that up then, thank you. 🙂
serrana
10 years ago
Yay, LBT! Yay auggzillary! And welcome, new people!
I can’t even think about the Malaysian plane right now, or Gaza. All those poor people.
My suggestion for the playlist – I Love You by Woodkid. I love the song, but it’s a classic nice guy anthem. The narrator is hopelessly in love with this other person who doesn’t notice them, but then he doesn’t say a single thing about them except that they don’t notice him.
Unimaginative
10 years ago
I kind of loved the Violent Femmes as a teenager, but there is some f’d up shit in there when you look critically.
Much of what I loved as a teenager turned out to be some f’d up shit.
It’s kind of hard to be specific as to what exact discourses they are. All I can say is that they don’t really have the same views on transmisogyny and discrimination against non-binary people.
cassandrakitty
10 years ago
@ Unimaginative
The worst thing is that as a teenager I already knew that stuff was fucked up, but what was the alternative? Never did like folk music, which is the genre where most of artists who I’d be more philosophically in tune with tend to live.
It’s weird being a feminist who likes loud screamy music with lots of guitars.
marinerachel
10 years ago
Thanks, David.
constellarmaid
10 years ago
I just realized that I’ve posted a few comments before but I never officially did the “delurking” thing. >:?
So…hello! :O
Unimaginative
10 years ago
It’s weird being a feminist who likes loud screamy music with lots of guitars.
It’s even weirder when you’re forced to admit that you find most screamy guitar musicians who are women kind of disappointing. With few exceptions, when I listen to metal* women singers, I think gee, I wish her voice was deeper / more growly / something.
*I dunno if metal is the appropriate term anymore, but it was when I was a teenager.
cassandrakitty
10 years ago
I actually like voices all across the vocal spectrum, it’s the niche that female musicians in metal tend to be pushed into that irks me. No, Metal Hammer/Revolver, I did not need to see another photo spread full of professional musicians washing cars in bikinis and/or with their guitar being the closest thing to clothing they’re allowed to have.
cassandrakitty
10 years ago
Also, if we could kill the idea that the only appropriate places for female vocalists in metal would be doing the operatic parts or making pop metal, that would be nice.
Unimaginative
10 years ago
Speaking of exceptions, Lee Aaron is still going strong 🙂
Leum
10 years ago
Female tenors are my favorite vocalists ever.
Unimaginative
10 years ago
Yeah, the forces that push women into roles in every fucking niche in every fucking arena of human endeavour are almost overwhelming. It takes a strong person to get out there and create, it takes an even stronger one to do it in the face of active opposition and out and out sabotage.
cassandrakitty
10 years ago
BTW, if you’re tired of the rather boring and restrained vocal niche female vocalists are usually pushed into, check this lady out.
Unimaginative
10 years ago
I should probably note that I don’t find that metal meets my emotional needs the way it used to, and I’ve gradually moved into a more folk direction. I think it’s folk. Honestly, I mostly let the radio pick what I listen to. Fortunately they do a very good job at ckua.com
@Ally:
What would you say the “dominant discourses of trans politics” that you’re at odds with are?
@LBT That’s really cool! Distribution of your art, cash, and helping people! Doesn’t get much better than that. Unless a puppy is involved somewhere.
@aggzilary And now I learned how people learn to tattoo. That is pretty cool as well.
@Tracy, that’s great for your brother. Meds can be such a pain. (This is coming from someone on anti anxiety/depression meds, so yay for finding something that works.)
As for moi, I have stopped self harming/hiding in my house, finished my summer course, and had one year anniversary with boyfriend. (One year is a big deal for me. I barely date) And it turns out that my boyfriend is not in danger of MRA transformation because he likes real stats, and wants to volunteer more (He already does an after school program/homework help thing for kids in underfunded schools.) His first idea? Planned Parenthood. (When it turned out that the ones around here don’t need clinic escorts he decided to try something else, but I’m glad he thought of it.) So I think he’s okay, and is, in fact, the same respectful, kind, and endearing man I fell for. He just identifies as a gender egalitarian and wants more open dialogue. (I think he fell in with some TERFs before we met and they were mean to him, judging by his descriptions and that they told him that he was invalid and should die.)
And now I am sleepy. One day I will make cakes and write novels for a living and not get up obscenely early.
Working my way through the thread but…
Congrats LBT!!
Nequam — your book binding link leads to WAAAY more info than I’d give out where MRAs lurk, might want to ask a mod to remove it and put the images on instagram or such.
This is a very good plan. I approve.
Congrats LBT!
Scrotovers anthems:
Cant Stand Losing You by The Police
What Do I Get/ by The Buzzcocks (quite possibly the whiniest song ever recorded)
Just about any song off the Violent Femmes first album
J.J. — congrats to you and your boyfriend! Shitty about what TERfs said to him though.
Leum — lack of cis privilege examples — forms requiring you to pick male or female (super bonus points if it’s an online registration form where they’ll NEVER need it for so much as pronouns//titles); having to use the bathroom for your assigned gender, even if the other one would be more convinent; all the evo psych stuff that forgets we exist and gender roles are socially determined; some trans ideas, like saying you transition to the opposite gender as the one you were assigned (how non-binary friendly trans discourse is depends WILDLY on what you’re reading // who you’re interacting with).
Argenti stuff — R’s buying me fish for the 55g tomorrow!! FINALLY!!! And I might get Puff some tankmates (bumblebee gobies), but idk, there’s a risk he’ll consider them food. Though my mother notes I’ve had him over a year now, and he recognizes me as his human and is SMART (when I’ve had anyone else feed him, he basically ignores them, me? He’s all over his pipette before I can squeeze out food!) So I’m thinking I might be able to introduce the gobies such that he doesn’t see them as food. Also, the places he’s staked out as territory probably wouldn’t appeal to gobies. Idk though, I figure I’ll decide tomorrow while staring at them in the store. If I do get them, I’m redecorating and adding more hiding spots, one’s he definitely won’t want to use, when I introduce them. I’m hoping that’d make Puff go to defend his territory (which I won’t move much), and not be interested in them as much, let them stake their claims while he’s sorting his out.
And for those who missed it, R is my now ex-BF, who said he’d finish paying me for his web site’s design in fish once the 55g was ready, and my pharm student is all graduated and thus we’ll be calling zir L (not to be confused with Death Note’s L, I’m the one with his traits!). L has a fancy VA job and is gonna come up and visit once the pay starts rolling in.
This time tomorrow I will hopefully be staring at catfish, and maybe watching Puff to make sure he’s not going after his new friends.
Especially Add It Up. I kind of loved the Violent Femmes as a teenager, but there is some f’d up shit in there when you look critically.
cloudiah: I damn near wore that cassette out when I was 16, but hoo-boy, it is a hot mess.
@Ally S What does CAMAB stand for? I’m just curious, I almost always end up hopelessly confused when trying to keep track of the proper terms regarding trans individuals.
Coercively assigned male at birth. I, personally, am not a huge fan of applying it to myself, as I don’t feel the assignment was coercive so much as incorrect. The label I personally prefer is dmab (designated male at birth).
@Leum Ah that clears that up then, thank you. 🙂
Yay, LBT! Yay auggzillary! And welcome, new people!
I can’t even think about the Malaysian plane right now, or Gaza. All those poor people.
My suggestion for the playlist – I Love You by Woodkid. I love the song, but it’s a classic nice guy anthem. The narrator is hopelessly in love with this other person who doesn’t notice them, but then he doesn’t say a single thing about them except that they don’t notice him.
Much of what I loved as a teenager turned out to be some f’d up shit.
@Leum
It’s kind of hard to be specific as to what exact discourses they are. All I can say is that they don’t really have the same views on transmisogyny and discrimination against non-binary people.
@ Unimaginative
The worst thing is that as a teenager I already knew that stuff was fucked up, but what was the alternative? Never did like folk music, which is the genre where most of artists who I’d be more philosophically in tune with tend to live.
It’s weird being a feminist who likes loud screamy music with lots of guitars.
Thanks, David.
I just realized that I’ve posted a few comments before but I never officially did the “delurking” thing. >:?
So…hello! :O
It’s even weirder when you’re forced to admit that you find most screamy guitar musicians who are women kind of disappointing. With few exceptions, when I listen to metal* women singers, I think gee, I wish her voice was deeper / more growly / something.
*I dunno if metal is the appropriate term anymore, but it was when I was a teenager.
I actually like voices all across the vocal spectrum, it’s the niche that female musicians in metal tend to be pushed into that irks me. No, Metal Hammer/Revolver, I did not need to see another photo spread full of professional musicians washing cars in bikinis and/or with their guitar being the closest thing to clothing they’re allowed to have.
Also, if we could kill the idea that the only appropriate places for female vocalists in metal would be doing the operatic parts or making pop metal, that would be nice.
Speaking of exceptions, Lee Aaron is still going strong 🙂
Female tenors are my favorite vocalists ever.
Yeah, the forces that push women into roles in every fucking niche in every fucking arena of human endeavour are almost overwhelming. It takes a strong person to get out there and create, it takes an even stronger one to do it in the face of active opposition and out and out sabotage.
BTW, if you’re tired of the rather boring and restrained vocal niche female vocalists are usually pushed into, check this lady out.
I should probably note that I don’t find that metal meets my emotional needs the way it used to, and I’ve gradually moved into a more folk direction. I think it’s folk. Honestly, I mostly let the radio pick what I listen to. Fortunately they do a very good job at ckua.com