Huh. So Thor — you know, that dude in the comic books based extremely loosely on Norse mythology — is going to be replaced by a woman. No, for reals. Marvel comics announced it on The View. No, that’s for real too.
I wonder what the alpha dogs over in the Red Pill subreddit might think of this?
Huh. I figured they probably would hate it, but not “yet another step down the slippery rabbit hole of feminization that leads inevitably to mandatory lesbianism and the outlawing of PIV sex” hate it.
Let’s see if we can find some more nuanced takes on it. Hey, here’s a comment that starts off, well, calm at least:
Wait, “women and females?”
How about this one? This dude starts off by not blaming feminism.
Ah, I should have seen that coming. Everything that’s not the fault of feminism is always the fault of omega dudes trying to get laid.
Woah, I can’t believe my eyes! A commenter is actually suggesting that some of the other Red Pillers might be giving off the impression that they hate women. Oh, he got downvoted.
![PenguinWorld -8 points 10 hours ago (?|?) We don't hate women, it just really seems like we do permalink save give gold [–]HalfwySandwch 8 points 10 hours ago (?|?) How is this woman hating? It would be just as ridiculous if Wonder Woman was a dude. permalink save parent give gold [–]lexsird 1 point 8 hours ago (?|?) How would that play out? Wonder Man? Wonder Dude? Wonder Man, prince from the Amazonian kingdom...wait...can't have that. Wonder Man from ...what? Prince from the male dominate kingdom of ...about any kingdom ever. Shit, that would piss of the feminazis, so beta-bois aren't going to do that. permalink save parent give gold [–]HalfwySandwch 1 point 8 hours ago (?|?) Still called Wonder Woman... either a Trans chick to dude, who keeps the moniker. Or a non-transitioning trans dude to chick, who calls hemself Wonder Woman.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/hatewom.png?ssl=1)
That got ugly in a hurry. I did not see the transphobia coming.
This guy, meanwhile, thinks the only haters here are the man-haters who think it’s ok to make the God of Thunder a girl.
Seriously. I mean, it’s one thing to make Thor a young doctor named Donald Blake. That’s fine. Or have him put on tights and a cape and join up with an assortment of superheroes to fight the forces of evil in this and I don’t know how many other comic book universes as well as in a couple of films. But make him a female? Clearly that strains credulity.
The Red Pillers demand utter realism in their comic books involving Norse gods in tights.
Note: Thanks to Reddit’s own ShitRaditzSays for pointing out this lovely Red Pill discussion.
What a useful and not-at-all inconvenient adaptation XD
Jhonen Vasques = squee! (Literally even)
As for Jesse, maybe the shit about him online is overly favorable? Either that or I still have a soft spot for “he’s not a baddie, he’s redeemable” (score so far on that is 0, as yep for Kingdom Hearts, but nope I’m giving up hope for Sasuke *sigh*). It wasn’t “hey, he’s a morally good person” so much as “he could turn his life around”…also, well, he seems less vile than “pre-soberity” Hugo. Fucking. Schwyzer. Yeah, HFS isn’t a murderer, but he did the shit he did without the likes of Walt saying it was okay. ‘Course, I haven’t seen the show, so apply enough salt for a marine fish tank!
I agree. There was no reason to slim down Amanda Waller. Or to make here young.
Of course, there’s nothing wrong with young and slim women. But representation is important. There are a lot of young and slim women in comics. Women who are heavy, older, widowed, have children and make even super-powered people tremble? Nowhere near as many.
@Falconer I kind enjoy the juvenile humor for an extended time myself. There are certain advantages to be an overgrown six year old. 🙂
@Argenti I know right! He’s also talking about working on a animated Squee! short! Which results in happy bounces from me. I think you’re right about Jesse being the more redeemable character, but with Meth being such an issue in the area I come from I tend to have very little sympathy for anyone who’d sell it. It’s a personal issue of mine that makes it so hard to empathize with any character on the show really.
@Catherine I was never a huge fan of the whole Suicide Squad thing (just the name alone is enough to make me cringe and tremble a bit really) but yeah the whole adolescent sexual fantasy feel of the new 52’s changes is so, so very off putting.
LOL, so these PUA idiots want to focus on the masculinity of a comic book character. How alpha of them. According to them, I’m an omega pile of sewage, and even I don’t care about silly things like this!
Btw, I should ask you this, since so many of you seems so knowledgeable about comics: The new 52. IS IT A REBOOT OR NOT? I don’t get it.
I mean, the crisis events were never real reboots, even though people often call them that. They were huge cataclysmic events that affected the multiverse in ways so that some events turned out to never have happened and some people’s back stories were changed etc. It was often complicated, but they weren’t actual reboots.
I thought, however, that the new 52 was supposed to be an actual bona fide reboot. I read the formation of the JLA and JLI and the stories in Action Comics about Supes early career… Okay, I got that the later was supposed to serve as a prequel for the other titles with Supes in them, and that most titles featured their respective heroes after they’d already been heroing for a couple of years or so. But I thought that it was a REBOOT. So that, for instance, the reason Barbara Gordon is Batgirl in the New 52 is that, well, she decided to become Batgirl, and all that being shot by the Joker and being a super-duper-hacker in a wheelchair never happened.
And then I found out that all that did happen. She’s back at Batgirl because she got the mobility of her legs back, not because she was never disabled in the first place.
So IS IT A REBOOT OR NOT? I’m completely confused!!!
It’s a full reboot. After the fustercluck that was the Infinite Crisis and so many years of interconnected continuity craziness DC basically admitted even they were confused by it all and hit the big red reset button.
Characters like Barbara get to restart their careers, some of them might follow similar or same paths others will be completely unrelated to the older story lines. I’d guess we’ll get Oracle back eventually since she’s always been pretty popular, whether it’ll be due to a Killing Joke repeat though, well who knows.
Re Jesse in Breaking Bad, he is an addict, whereas Walt is not. That Jesse does bad stuff while taking meth is understandable, but Walt is the one who has committed the worst activities (from memory). Jesse is theoretically redeemable, Walt is not.
I also viewed the entire series as a warning to stay the fuck away from meth. Just like Trainspotting was an anti-heroine movie.
LOL typo: heroin not heroine.
You know when Trainspotting came out there were people who accused it of glamorizing heroin use? I was all, yeah, that scene where the one guy shits himself all over the bed and then ends up splattering his date’s parents with it was so glamorous = truly, it’s a recruiting film.
Wut? I must say, Ewan McGregor was pretty hot in that movie. Still, I see no glamorizing of heroin. That baby crawling on the ceiling *shudder*
That movie does have the best soundtrack. It introduced to me to Lou Reed when I was in high school.
If we’re talking superheroes, we simply must include Wolverine Cat. (Credit to Tony! The Queer Shoop at Pharyngula for mentioning this.)
http://youtu.be/3d4XMUYj-9k
So glad someone explained the horror of what they did to Wonder Woman in the new 52 already. That was just terrible. (Also agree w/everything stated about Starfire and Amanda Waller. WW was just closest to my heart)
As to her dating Superman, I was one of the ones who had a problem with that too (not as much of a problem as with the other stuff, obviously). Her falling for Steve Trevor was nice because she was clearly stronger than him and even (had she remained with the Amazons) of higher social standing. She clearly fell for something about him as a person even though he’s just a normal human. I guess it plays into the ‘women are nuturing’ trope, but it seemed almost subversive to me to have a positive couple portrayed in which the woman was stronger than the man and both were ok with that.
I think the relationship between Wonder Woman and Superman kind of has him lose something too. I read this gret opinion bit I’ll have to find again about how Superman is an adult fantasy compared to Batman that was written before the new 52 & this relationship, but it explains kind of what I mean. In it, Superman is analyzed as more ‘adult’ because he’s not always special (this isn’t talking about his powers). When he is not ‘on duty’ as Superman, he’s a normal working man. He’s a successful reporter, but in a very human way. Batman is an ultra rich playboy when not caped out. Superman’s love interest of Lois Lane is intelligent and ambitious also in a very normal human way. Batman is surrounded by superheroes and villains who are all ‘more than’ normal and his usual love interests are drawn from that pool.
Also, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are the big three of DC and the main leaders of the JLA and for some reason, it is so rare in US culture to have a mixed group like this without romantic relationships getting put in.
I may have overthought the whole thing though. In general, superheroes dating superheroes makes sense. I just don’t like this pairing.
I then watched Wolverine Cat: Troll hunter. 🙂
Sorry that was way longer than intended
pallygirl, so did I.
I think Wolverine Cat: Troll Hunter must be David. Or maybe one of the mods. (Hey, I can dream.)
Hey uh pendraegon? You seem new and welcome, but just a heads up: we don’t use “crazy” or “insane” or any variations thereof here. Ever. It’s a difficult thing to catch yourself at, and we’re not going to like ban/hate you for missing it a few times, but please just be aware of it.
Oh my grad hurts. Just read at Wikipedia that DC calls the new 52 a “soft” reboot as opposed to a hard one… And that’s why SOME pre-52 stuff like “the killing joke” is still in continuity, whereas other pre-52 stuff never happened. Soft reboot! Well, THAT certainly explains everything! Or not.
My apologies wewereemergencies I didn’t even think about that I was typing and I should have. I’ll do my best to keep it from happening again.
Oh, it was supposed to be “my HEAD hurts” above. Stupid autocorrect…
@ lightcastle – we know for a fact that Dracula’s magical nature allowed his fangs to penetrate Supes’s skin (it was a really, really bad idea for him to bite a being whose every cell is charged with solar energy, but it didn’t take a lot of effort). I suppose “golem” or “demigoddess” should work at least as well as “vampire”, but I don’t know if anything has ever been made of it.
@ Falconer it’s no coincidence that Wonder Woman is wearing essentially the American flag.
According to Moviebob’s summary, she started out as a patriotic heroine. Basically, the Amazons were female warriors descended from women who escaped the patriarchal world of men, wearing their bracelets as a symbol to remind them of the oppression they left behind. A man crash lands in the Amazon territory and meets Diana. Diana goes out into our world and joins in the fight against the Nazis for women’s rights and American Freedom™. Well, that’s the gist of what I was told. No need to take the word of a Fake Geek Girl.
I came to comics during the Batman/Wonder Woman phase. The Supes/Wonder Woman thing threw me for a loop but, like pretty much any pairing (when it comes to me) I got used to it pretty quick
So do I, now.
Of course, he’d still have to hold back. If he didn’t, anyone he throws will either go splat, or, if they’re too invulnerable to go splat, leave a trail of destruction as they bounce.
@ Brittersweet – That’s certainly how it started. Of course, they’ve had to update it a few times since WWII. I think the most recent explanation (before the New 52 anyway) is that a (female!) pilot from the outside world crashed on Themyscira, and the Amazons mistook the American flag on her uniform for personal heraldry, so when Diana went out into the Man’s World, she wore the flag as her costume to honor that pilot.