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Red Pillers: Making Thor a feeemale will accelerate our society's plunge "down the rabbit hole of feminization."

Thor and fellow Norse gods prepare for battle.
Thor, Captain America and other Norse gods prepare for battle.

Huh. So Thor — you know, that dude in the comic books based extremely loosely on Norse mythology — is going to be replaced by a woman. No, for reals. Marvel comics announced it  on The View. No, that’s for real  too.

I wonder what the alpha dogs over in the Red Pill subreddit might think of this?

This has to be a joke. Is our society seriously going to continue plunging down the rabbit hole of feminization by shifting the balance between men and women?  Answer: Yes!  YOU GO GRRLLLLLLL.  By the time they are done men will be whining, effeminate little boys, lesbianism will be legally required, and vaginal intercourse will be outlawed as patriarchal rape.  The only penetration women will get will be from their magic hammer. At least the concept would make an interesting porno-movie. I can't think of any other use for it except as a flagrant in your face move. Somebody once said the purpose of political propaganda is to humiliate rather than to actually persuade and this fits it completely.  I guess it's better than having a gay relationship between Thor and Tony Stark but still.....

Huh. I figured they probably would hate it, but not “yet another step down the slippery rabbit hole of feminization that leads inevitably to mandatory lesbianism and the outlawing of PIV sex” hate it.

Let’s see if we can find some more nuanced takes on it. Hey, here’s a comment that starts off, well, calm at least:

Invalidity 4 points 10 hours ago (?|?)  Don't misinterpret the message: This is absolutely not similar to how advertisers and politicians cater to women. In those fields, they cater to women because it benefits their purposes (monetary and politically).  This adoption of a female character to replace an existing male character is much similar to Engineering companies making a push to inject a feminine essence that is missing from those areas. But this benefits them in no particular way. These areas are void of women and females because they are unpopular with female genders altogether. The males in these fields are trying so desperately to bring them one step closer to females, but they fail miserably because they failed the test presented to them.Wait, “women and females?”

How about this one? This dude starts off by not blaming feminism.

n4cer126 1 point 9 hours ago (?|?)  This has nothing to do with feminism whatsoever this time, this is an example of omega male supplication at it's ugliest. The creative types at Marvel are unable to think of any other way to appeal to women in their personal lives so they perform this act of creative castration. This is little different than those schmucks who put together these grandiose public marriage proposals, it reeks of insecurity.  If the universe is in any way just this will crash & burn & teach these losers a lesson

Ah, I should have seen that coming. Everything that’s not the fault of feminism is always the fault of omega dudes trying to get laid.

Woah, I can’t believe my eyes! A commenter is actually suggesting that some of the other Red Pillers might be giving off the impression that they hate women. Oh, he got downvoted.

PenguinWorld -8 points 10 hours ago (?|?)  We don't hate women, it just really seems like we do      permalink     save     give gold  [–]HalfwySandwch 8 points 10 hours ago (?|?)  How is this woman hating?  It would be just as ridiculous if Wonder Woman was a dude.      permalink     save     parent     give gold  [–]lexsird 1 point 8 hours ago (?|?)  How would that play out? Wonder Man? Wonder Dude? Wonder Man, prince from the Amazonian kingdom...wait...can't have that. Wonder Man from ...what? Prince from the male dominate kingdom of ...about any kingdom ever. Shit, that would piss of the feminazis, so beta-bois aren't going to do that.      permalink     save     parent     give gold  [–]HalfwySandwch 1 point 8 hours ago (?|?)  Still called Wonder Woman... either a Trans chick to dude, who keeps the moniker. Or a non-transitioning trans dude to chick, who calls hemself Wonder Woman.

That got ugly in a hurry. I did not see the transphobia coming.

This guy, meanwhile, thinks the only haters here are the man-haters who think it’s ok to make the God of Thunder a girl.

mordanus 1 point 9 hours ago (?|?)  This is more of a man hating issue. People see a masculine role model and say "Hey let's make that a girl instead." You think that the strongest of the norse gods is fine being a female? You think that taking a male's defining attribute (strength) and throwing that to females instead is cool? Yeah not man hating at all...

Seriously. I mean, it’s one thing to make Thor a young doctor named Donald Blake. That’s fine. Or have him put on tights and a cape and  join up with an assortment of superheroes to fight the forces of evil in this and I don’t know how many other comic book universes as well as in a couple of films. But make him a female? Clearly that strains credulity.

The Red Pillers demand utter realism in their comic books involving Norse gods in tights.

Note: Thanks to Reddit’s own ShitRaditzSays for pointing out this lovely Red Pill discussion.

 

 

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kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

@ lightcastle – we know for a fact that Dracula’s magical nature allowed his fangs to penetrate Supes’s skin (it was a really, really bad idea for him to bite a being whose every cell is charged with solar energy, but it didn’t take a lot of effort).

Takes me back to The Pernicious Parasite episode from the old TV Superman cartoons.

Skye
Skye
6 years ago

Just saw this: http://www.Flickr.com/photos/wendymckee

Kitties in costume 🙂

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Oh that little marmie in the gingham! ::melts::

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: pendraegon

I was really hoping that Guy was going to end up being the lantern they decided to portray as homosexual when DC announced that on of earth’s would be.

I actually would like it better if Guy had at least some interest in girls at some point, since I really enjoyed his relationship with Ice. (Though I feel a little guilty about it, since he was such a dick.) But as The DC Universe Woke Up Gay put it… “Guy Gardner didn’t wake up gay, because the Writers didn’t have that much imagination.” Alas, Bi Gardner looks like he’ll never be. (But seriously, I would be ALL OVER THAT. Uh, long as there wasn’t creepy Hal/Guy subtext.)

Amanda Waller, though, I kinda hope remains single. She just seems too… indomitable to really put up with comic book relationship bullshit. (Unless she found a guy who was willing to get the hell out of her way.)

Aaaaand I found out that now Guy’s a Red Lantern with a truly godawful pornstache. *goes to crawl under desk and cry* So now DC has ruined BOTH my favorite characters! Nooo.

RE: Catherine von Uberwald

Women who are heavy, older, widowed, have children and make even super-powered people tremble? Nowhere near as many.

Yeah, and you know what? I loved that I could read about her (well, before the reboot) and not get the uncomfortable feeling the artist was jerking off under the desk, you know?

RE: seraph4377

Of course, he’d still have to hold back.

Well, yeah. But he’d have to do it LESS. Also I’d just like to see a superhero who doesn’t punch.

therealmacai
6 years ago

Making Thor a woman won’t accelerate society’s plunge, but it is certainly stupid. While I understand the intention of making comic books more “feminist” or whatever, this shit goes straight into Poe’s law territory. It’s so ridiculous, it’s like something out of The Onion.

It’s a publicity stunt to piss off male comic book fans and get some buzz going, and it worked.

maistrechat
6 years ago
Reply to  therealmacai

That’ll do donkey, that’ll do.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/11GM2/that-ll-do-donkey

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Making Thor a woman won’t accelerate society’s plunge,

What plunge?

but it is certainly stupid. While I understand the intention of making comic books more “feminist” or whatever, this shit goes straight into Poe’s law territory. It’s so ridiculous, it’s like something out of The Onion.

You’re willing to suspend your disbelief to buy that the Norse Gods are real and Thor fights with a magic hammer. But having Thor be a woman temporarily is beyond the pale? Even though he’s been a frog before? Explain your reasoning because I don’t get it.

It’s a publicity stunt to piss off male comic book fans and get some buzz going, and it worked.

Oh no! Some (by no means all) male comic book fans have their knickers in a twist over a story about magical beings!!! We can’t have that. Somebody call the whaaaaambulance!!!
This is an emergency of the highest order! After all, nothing must offend the delicate sensibilities of misogynistic nerds. That is worse than Hitler!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Frogs make more credible gods than women, apparently.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

(How did the frog hold the hammer? Why not make him a raccoon – at least they have hands.)

Falconer
6 years ago

Oh ick, maistrechat, when I clicked on your link the webpage served me up a meme of some bespectacled scrawny dude in a red karate gi with the legend [VIOLENCE] “She wouldn’t go with me to poundtown. Now she won’t be going to any town.”

DON’T MAKE ME TURN THIS PLANET AROUND, KIDS

@cassandrakitty: Apparently it was a frog with skillz, and it wasn’t the only one. There was the Thor frog, and he made himself a friend who’d been turned into a frog by a g***y curse (sigh). When Thor regained his mammalhood, Curse Boy was granted a hammer and apparently calls himself Throg now.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Anyway, to summarize, what all these dudes having tantrums are really saying, from my perspective, is that the imaginary sense of superiority over women is the only thing they have in their lives that makes them feel OK about themselves and allows them to get through the day. Which is why they find the idea of anyone taking that delusion away from them so threatening. If they’re not innately superior to women then what do they have to feel good about? Not much.

pecunium
6 years ago

Re Superman and Aikido: Everyone has to “hold back” because a lot of the techniques can be use to cripple people. There is a story told of O-Sensei being send a request to do a command performance for Emperor Hirohito, and saying he couldn’t, because to perform in front of the Emperor he would have to hold nothing back, and if he did that he would end up killing people.

The Emperor sent a reply that it would be perfectly acceptable for a demonstration to be done at less than 100 percent energy, if that was required to not kill people.

I recall being asked by an MMA practitioner to demonstrate a move (this was a dude who also taught Army Combatives, i.e. hand to hand combat where killing people is actually part of the idea), so I decided to go with tsuki kotegaeshi. I’d always seen/done it in the slower mode.

This guy wasn’t holding back, and instead of spinning him around and corkscrewing him to the ground he just flipped in the air and slammed down (at which point I spun him around and pinned him).

I need to get back to the dojo. After we get back from the honeymoon.

pecunium
6 years ago

I see the MRA redditor chose to delete some (most, actually) of his comments. At first I thought the remaining comments were from some other redditor, but the screenshots make it clear he just chose to make it opaque as to what he’d been saying. I suppose he thought that would make the anthropologist look worse?

What they think makes for good reasoning/argument is like love… it passeth all understanding.

Dvärghundspossen
6 years ago

If these guys really read superhero comics, they’d know that it’s really not that uncommon for a hero to lose zir powers or die or disappear and someone else step in and take zir place. They always come back eventually though – it’s pretty much a given that Thor’s gonna be back swinging the hammer again after some time.
The way they act about this makes it pretty clear that they’re not even that into superhero comics.

pendraegon
pendraegon
6 years ago

@LBT I honestly can’t imagine Guy not being a terrible boyfriend regardless of the relationship. I did like him with Ice as well but that may just be because I have a fondness for anyone with cold based powers.

The new design for Guy is admittedly terribad, he’s well suited for the red ring though I think, especially now that Red Lanterns are capable of more than monosyllabic threats. At least they didn’t go back to the whole Warrior identity. 🙂

lightcastle
lightcastle
6 years ago

@seraph:

I suppose “golem” or “demigoddess” should work at least as well as “vampire”, but I don’t know if anything has ever been made of it.

Me neither. I’ve never really liked the “made from clay” version of her origin (even though it was the first one I encountered), but then I’m also torn on the whole “mythic” side Perez made so popular in the reboot anyway. (I go back and forth on the “blessings of the gods” thing.)

I am thinking about picking up Sandifer’s book on her, though, since he tends to take an interesting long-view analysis of things and is clearly a fan.

I do think one of the reasons her origin and powers get messed with more than Supes and Bats is that her story was more attached to a specific time. (Supes just needs to be found by simple farm folk, and Bats just needs to lose his parents to crime. I think you can boil hers down to “Exiles choosing to re-engage with the world” – but the original version of that is so directly linked to WWII and WWII being a good enough reason to forsake isolationism, that it has always exerted a lot of narrative gravity.)

maistrechat
6 years ago
Reply to  Falconer

@Falconer Sorry about that. I’m guessing it was one of the random memes that appears on the right side? I just double checked and I’m not seeing anything like that.

Agreed that that’s gross. I’ve never used that site before, and I certainly won’t be using it again.

puapill
6 years ago

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Kat
Kat
5 years ago

This may have already been mentioned (268 comments atm and I haven’t read them all) but in the actual real Norse mythology of Thor he dresses up as a woman (Freya) with Loki dressed as the bridesmaid and sets off to get married to the giant who stole his hammer. He stays in drag for the entire ceremony and feast until the point where Mjolnir is given to “her” as a wedding gift, at which he shows himself to be Thor and it all goes a bit Michael Bay.

I wonder how many of the redpillers are aware of that aspect of the “strongest of the Norse gods!”

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