Huh. So Thor — you know, that dude in the comic books based extremely loosely on Norse mythology — is going to be replaced by a woman. No, for reals. Marvel comics announced it on The View. No, that’s for real too.
I wonder what the alpha dogs over in the Red Pill subreddit might think of this?
Huh. I figured they probably would hate it, but not “yet another step down the slippery rabbit hole of feminization that leads inevitably to mandatory lesbianism and the outlawing of PIV sex” hate it.
Let’s see if we can find some more nuanced takes on it. Hey, here’s a comment that starts off, well, calm at least:
Wait, “women and females?”
How about this one? This dude starts off by not blaming feminism.
Ah, I should have seen that coming. Everything that’s not the fault of feminism is always the fault of omega dudes trying to get laid.
Woah, I can’t believe my eyes! A commenter is actually suggesting that some of the other Red Pillers might be giving off the impression that they hate women. Oh, he got downvoted.
![PenguinWorld -8 points 10 hours ago (?|?) We don't hate women, it just really seems like we do permalink save give gold [–]HalfwySandwch 8 points 10 hours ago (?|?) How is this woman hating? It would be just as ridiculous if Wonder Woman was a dude. permalink save parent give gold [–]lexsird 1 point 8 hours ago (?|?) How would that play out? Wonder Man? Wonder Dude? Wonder Man, prince from the Amazonian kingdom...wait...can't have that. Wonder Man from ...what? Prince from the male dominate kingdom of ...about any kingdom ever. Shit, that would piss of the feminazis, so beta-bois aren't going to do that. permalink save parent give gold [–]HalfwySandwch 1 point 8 hours ago (?|?) Still called Wonder Woman... either a Trans chick to dude, who keeps the moniker. Or a non-transitioning trans dude to chick, who calls hemself Wonder Woman.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/hatewom.png?ssl=1)
That got ugly in a hurry. I did not see the transphobia coming.
This guy, meanwhile, thinks the only haters here are the man-haters who think it’s ok to make the God of Thunder a girl.
Seriously. I mean, it’s one thing to make Thor a young doctor named Donald Blake. That’s fine. Or have him put on tights and a cape and join up with an assortment of superheroes to fight the forces of evil in this and I don’t know how many other comic book universes as well as in a couple of films. But make him a female? Clearly that strains credulity.
The Red Pillers demand utter realism in their comic books involving Norse gods in tights.
Note: Thanks to Reddit’s own ShitRaditzSays for pointing out this lovely Red Pill discussion.
Takes me back to The Pernicious Parasite episode from the old TV Superman cartoons.
Just saw this: http://www.Flickr.com/photos/wendymckee
Kitties in costume 🙂
Oh that little marmie in the gingham! ::melts::
RE: pendraegon
I was really hoping that Guy was going to end up being the lantern they decided to portray as homosexual when DC announced that on of earth’s would be.
I actually would like it better if Guy had at least some interest in girls at some point, since I really enjoyed his relationship with Ice. (Though I feel a little guilty about it, since he was such a dick.) But as The DC Universe Woke Up Gay put it… “Guy Gardner didn’t wake up gay, because the Writers didn’t have that much imagination.” Alas, Bi Gardner looks like he’ll never be. (But seriously, I would be ALL OVER THAT. Uh, long as there wasn’t creepy Hal/Guy subtext.)
Amanda Waller, though, I kinda hope remains single. She just seems too… indomitable to really put up with comic book relationship bullshit. (Unless she found a guy who was willing to get the hell out of her way.)
Aaaaand I found out that now Guy’s a Red Lantern with a truly godawful pornstache. *goes to crawl under desk and cry* So now DC has ruined BOTH my favorite characters! Nooo.
RE: Catherine von Uberwald
Women who are heavy, older, widowed, have children and make even super-powered people tremble? Nowhere near as many.
Yeah, and you know what? I loved that I could read about her (well, before the reboot) and not get the uncomfortable feeling the artist was jerking off under the desk, you know?
RE: seraph4377
Of course, he’d still have to hold back.
Well, yeah. But he’d have to do it LESS. Also I’d just like to see a superhero who doesn’t punch.
Making Thor a woman won’t accelerate society’s plunge, but it is certainly stupid. While I understand the intention of making comic books more “feminist” or whatever, this shit goes straight into Poe’s law territory. It’s so ridiculous, it’s like something out of The Onion.
It’s a publicity stunt to piss off male comic book fans and get some buzz going, and it worked.
That’ll do donkey, that’ll do.
http://memecrunch.com/meme/11GM2/that-ll-do-donkey
What plunge?
You’re willing to suspend your disbelief to buy that the Norse Gods are real and Thor fights with a magic hammer. But having Thor be a woman temporarily is beyond the pale? Even though he’s been a frog before? Explain your reasoning because I don’t get it.
Oh no! Some (by no means all) male comic book fans have their knickers in a twist over a story about magical beings!!! We can’t have that. Somebody call the whaaaaambulance!!!
This is an emergency of the highest order! After all, nothing must offend the delicate sensibilities of misogynistic nerds. That is worse than Hitler!
Frogs make more credible gods than women, apparently.
(How did the frog hold the hammer? Why not make him a raccoon – at least they have hands.)
Oh ick, maistrechat, when I clicked on your link the webpage served me up a meme of some bespectacled scrawny dude in a red karate gi with the legend [VIOLENCE] “She wouldn’t go with me to poundtown. Now she won’t be going to any town.”
DON’T MAKE ME TURN THIS PLANET AROUND, KIDS
@cassandrakitty: Apparently it was a frog with skillz, and it wasn’t the only one. There was the Thor frog, and he made himself a friend who’d been turned into a frog by a g***y curse (sigh). When Thor regained his mammalhood, Curse Boy was granted a hammer and apparently calls himself Throg now.
Anyway, to summarize, what all these dudes having tantrums are really saying, from my perspective, is that the imaginary sense of superiority over women is the only thing they have in their lives that makes them feel OK about themselves and allows them to get through the day. Which is why they find the idea of anyone taking that delusion away from them so threatening. If they’re not innately superior to women then what do they have to feel good about? Not much.
Re Superman and Aikido: Everyone has to “hold back” because a lot of the techniques can be use to cripple people. There is a story told of O-Sensei being send a request to do a command performance for Emperor Hirohito, and saying he couldn’t, because to perform in front of the Emperor he would have to hold nothing back, and if he did that he would end up killing people.
The Emperor sent a reply that it would be perfectly acceptable for a demonstration to be done at less than 100 percent energy, if that was required to not kill people.
I recall being asked by an MMA practitioner to demonstrate a move (this was a dude who also taught Army Combatives, i.e. hand to hand combat where killing people is actually part of the idea), so I decided to go with tsuki kotegaeshi. I’d always seen/done it in the slower mode.
This guy wasn’t holding back, and instead of spinning him around and corkscrewing him to the ground he just flipped in the air and slammed down (at which point I spun him around and pinned him).
I need to get back to the dojo. After we get back from the honeymoon.
I see the MRA redditor chose to delete some (most, actually) of his comments. At first I thought the remaining comments were from some other redditor, but the screenshots make it clear he just chose to make it opaque as to what he’d been saying. I suppose he thought that would make the anthropologist look worse?
What they think makes for good reasoning/argument is like love… it passeth all understanding.
If these guys really read superhero comics, they’d know that it’s really not that uncommon for a hero to lose zir powers or die or disappear and someone else step in and take zir place. They always come back eventually though – it’s pretty much a given that Thor’s gonna be back swinging the hammer again after some time.
The way they act about this makes it pretty clear that they’re not even that into superhero comics.
@LBT I honestly can’t imagine Guy not being a terrible boyfriend regardless of the relationship. I did like him with Ice as well but that may just be because I have a fondness for anyone with cold based powers.
The new design for Guy is admittedly terribad, he’s well suited for the red ring though I think, especially now that Red Lanterns are capable of more than monosyllabic threats. At least they didn’t go back to the whole Warrior identity. 🙂
@seraph:
Me neither. I’ve never really liked the “made from clay” version of her origin (even though it was the first one I encountered), but then I’m also torn on the whole “mythic” side Perez made so popular in the reboot anyway. (I go back and forth on the “blessings of the gods” thing.)
I am thinking about picking up Sandifer’s book on her, though, since he tends to take an interesting long-view analysis of things and is clearly a fan.
I do think one of the reasons her origin and powers get messed with more than Supes and Bats is that her story was more attached to a specific time. (Supes just needs to be found by simple farm folk, and Bats just needs to lose his parents to crime. I think you can boil hers down to “Exiles choosing to re-engage with the world” – but the original version of that is so directly linked to WWII and WWII being a good enough reason to forsake isolationism, that it has always exerted a lot of narrative gravity.)
@Falconer Sorry about that. I’m guessing it was one of the random memes that appears on the right side? I just double checked and I’m not seeing anything like that.
Agreed that that’s gross. I’ve never used that site before, and I certainly won’t be using it again.
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This may have already been mentioned (268 comments atm and I haven’t read them all) but in the actual real Norse mythology of Thor he dresses up as a woman (Freya) with Loki dressed as the bridesmaid and sets off to get married to the giant who stole his hammer. He stays in drag for the entire ceremony and feast until the point where Mjolnir is given to “her” as a wedding gift, at which he shows himself to be Thor and it all goes a bit Michael Bay.
I wonder how many of the redpillers are aware of that aspect of the “strongest of the Norse gods!”