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This is a picture of A Voice for Men’s new commemorative coin. No, really, they have a commemorative coin. It was designed by Peter Vinczer, father of A Voice for Men’s Attila Vinczer, possibly — I suspect — with the help of Judy Chicago. The coins cost $58.88, and will be issued in a first edition of 10,000.
In the comments to AVFM’s announcement, six people have proudly announced that they’ve purchased a coin. So get yours quickly, because there are only 9,994 left before the first edition runs out!
The only real question is what exactly is being depicted on the coin:
Is it:
1) An otter in a manhole
2) A man levitating a carrot over a milkshake
3) A vagina
4) A vagina
5) Come on, it’s obviously a vagina
ANSWER: I have no fucking clue. Seriously, I’ve been staring at this for like ten minutes and I have no idea what on earth this could be. What is the round thing? Why is there a tiny hand? If that thing above the circle thing is a raindrop or a teardrop or whatever, why is it upside-down? Why would AVFM issue a goddamn commemorative coin in the first place.
I do know one thing, though: If you can afford to waste $$58.88 on this piece of crap, you are not oppressed in any way. And you should probably have your right to vote stripped from you.
Just kidding about that last bit. You should still be allowed to vote even if you buy vagina coins from a dude named Attila.
Ally S:
Can you clarify this (the bolded)? I’m not sure in what context it relates to the post bittersweet linked to.
@Tessa
To put it another way, the author assumes that sex isn’t a social construct and that the way we conceptualize human bodies today as “male” or “female” is timeless and totally applies to a period long ago. If we can’t know anything about prehistoric societies, then why even assume that there were such notions as male and female?
Phil Harding may want to have a word about that. 😛
Definitely reminds me of cow-shit.
It’s male tears. A big ole swampful.
Hello, MRAs, look at your oppression, now back to me, now back at your oppression, now back to me. Sadly, your oppression isn’t fixed, but if you stopped buying scented fucking candles and switched to the commemorative coin, you could be like me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re on a boat with the man you could be. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s an oyster with two tickets to the AVfM conference you loved. Look again, the tickets are now commemorative coins. Anything is possible when you don’t smell like scented fucking candles and bonbons. I’m on a horse.
Ally S:
I didn’t get that at all. The author started with what he remembered being taught in middle school and highschool. He then compared that to the existing behavior of chimpanzee and bonobo family groups. The whole premise is that bonobos and chimps get by with similar social structures as they presumed the earliest humans did, and somehow avoided inbreeding without lots of rape. So why do the experts assume that rape is how the earliest humans did it.
He never prescribed any specific behavior or gender roles on the earliest humans, just questioning why this particular one was taught.
@pallygirl:
Oh that is BRILLIANT. XD
@strivingally: thank you very much. There is so much good humour on this website. 🙂
I can’t get past it looking like a leaking blueberry pie. Maybe I’m hungry . . .
Tessa – yeah, that was how I read it. Not the author confirming gender roles or similar evopsych twaddle, but questioning them, and the highschool nonsense.
It sure does look like an otter’s face surfacing in a round pool of water. John the Otter, ottviously.
I have tapped into ancient Feminist woo-woo, summoned up the Dark Hateful Woman Angel and cavorted with my man-hating cohorts while dancing around, er, Skype and a bottle of wine, and this is what our “ceremony” came up with. It might be a little flawed, as the ceremony lacked young girls for men to grope and the presence of law enforcement agencies for us to scream at – in our harpy feminista voices – to carry said gropers off in a grand finale.
Plus, one of the coven had a penis.
The coin is commemorating the fact that MHRA is but a drop in the ocean of humanity, but they’re a clearly backwards one (the reverse tear drop), who have no place in our gene pool and should be removed post-haste – we decided that’s Darwin’s hand, trying to snatch them away for good before they can splash their DNA all over the place.*
We also quite like the notion of it being a vagina queefing them out, but had no idea what the hand would mean if we went with that interpretation.
*We also agreed, however, that Humanity isn’t really in much danger as, clearly, any output from MHRA members would be disoriented and too confused to figure out where to head for. Plus, they’d hate EVERY MOMENT of the Race for Fertilisation, and probably give up fairly early on.
I may still be a bit drunk.
@ Pecunium
This reminds me of the coin booths you used to find at some Ren Faires/festivals where you can choose from a bunch of designs to be struck on either silver or gold-filled blanks. The minter positions the striking plates and one of his assistants places the blank, then he winds the big weight up high and cries for all and sundry “Clear below. Striking!” The assistants, always two bonny lasses, back up and the minter releases the weight and strikes the coin whereupon the assistants yell “Well struck, m’lord!” Because, you know, ren faire is all about the performance art, of course. Sometimes, the customers even join in.
So now, in my mind, the ‘assistants’ are Honey Badgers, yelling out “Well struck, m’lord!” after the striking of each and every commemorative coin.
And I have to throw my vote behind an otter under water as the main image of the obverse (?) of the coin. Or maybe it’s a drowning Honey Badger?
OK, seriously, there were illicit substances used during the design process of that thing.
The thing that grosses me out about the caveman-dragging-woman-back-to-cave-to-rape-her trope (other than the obvious) is the way so many men talk about the scenario in nostalgic tones. It reminds me of Apep’s whining in the other thread. The obvious solution to all of his problems is just removing any sexual agency from women, and letting men like Apep make those important decisions about who they should sleep with.
Nope.
I think most of those Russians were in basic training (based on some visual cues). I’ll also note the form of the chant is one which the US army has been using since at least WW2.
Yeah, or they want a cookie for not doing it. It’s a variant on the “you can vote now, so quit whining about your rights” nonsense: “I can’t drag you back to my cave now, so quit whining about rape culture”.
@Brittersweet, that post led me to an interesting intro to the Ju/’hoansi, who appear to be a truly egalitarian society (at least in terms of sex). Useful info for the next time some MRAsshat tried to drop “biotruths” about gender roles.
Hahaha, “spermjacking,” that’s fantastic 😀
@Tessa
I wasn’t talking about his main point at all. I was pointing out his inconsistency in saying that we can’t learn much if anything about prehistoric societies and then tacitly accepting elsewhere the idea that there have always been men and women since the beginning of our species. I didn’t say anything about whether the author was prescribing behaviors or gender roles on the earliest humans.
Perhaps you would understand me better if you knew more about the social construction of sex. Until you understand that better, there’s no reason to continue arguing about this.
RE: Tessa
A little while ago David reposted a comment by NWOSlave that sounds just like it:
…point taken. I guess I was just hoping Owly was a singularity of froth and crankery.
On a completely and totally unrelated note, but something I feel like you all might appreciate nonetheless:
I had a dream last night that DE left me an angry voice-email (?) about poetry I had submitted somewhere (…?) and told me I had better watch out because “remember Bucky Turko” (……?).
What the hell, subconscious.
What length pants did he don in the dream?
Haha, no visual–just an angry, breath-heavy verbal rant.
I’m not going to lie, the first thing I did when I woke up was check my email. Not out of any real concern, but since AVFM has made a habit out of going after pretty small name individuals, I did it just to be safe. Of course, there was nothing but ads from Petco.
I don’t event write poetry!
Where does he say something about that. Or do you mean “we are taught from a young age that the origin of our entire species is misogyny, violence and rape” That is what is prefaced by “lack of proof”, which covers both:” men and women, but no proof of misogyny”, and “no evidence that there have men and women”