I‘ve been so busy with all the shenanigans surrounding AVFM and their little conference that I’m afraid I’ve been neglecting the good old Men’s Rights subreddit. Don’t feel bad, Men’s Rights subreddit, for today I took a few moments out of my hard-core semi-vacationing to pay you a little visit!
While there, I noticed the regulars discussing a terrible quandary that faces all modern men: “As a man, would you help a child in distress?”
Here are some of the answers that got upvoted:
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Yep. Upvotes for a fellow who says he let a three-year-old boy literally fall out of a shopping cart and smash his head open because, oh no, some hypothetical hysterical mother might have accused him of child molestation.
The details of his story make so little sense I can only assume he’s making the story up — if he was walking past the bakery, how could he have been close enough to “reflexively grab” a child in a shopping cart inside the bakery?
I’m not sure which is worse, the thought that this guy actually let a kid fall and smash his head, or the thought that he made up a story about doing so in order to gain some internet points from MRAs. (Well, the former, obviously, but either way this is a mortifying spectacle.)
But not everyone got upvotes. Here’s a comment that got thumbs down from the Men’s Rightsers — along with a heavily upvoted reply:
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Human Rights: You’re doing it wrong.
Thanks to r/AMR for pointing me to this lovely thread.
@Apep
Or she thought you were being an asshole.
Also, holy shit was that babytalk condescending.
A women, feeling like someone wants her? HEAVENS NO!
/sarcasm
“I have this one experience I interpreted in a negative light so now I disrespect ALL women!”
Human rights at it’s finest.
I’m amused that he thinks we would find his #thathappened vignette illuminating or even remotely interesting. “I had a very brief awkward exchange with a stranger, but it was a women so now I reject all of you. Checkmate, half of the population.”
“His body his choice”, see what I did there, feminist types who take reproductive rights seriously?
Go pound sand on The Spearhead or Dalrock, or whatever hole you crawled from.
I know he’s fictional, but I’m with Jack on this one. And our Apep is still doing a marvelous Goa’uld impression! Only, less ‘My Host, my choice’ and more ‘my own body…”
Still, when your internet persona presents like the spine snake that wants to exterminate the world, perhaps you might have an itty bitty problem.
Although, I’ll grant Apep this: Apophis holds doors for no one.
Congratulations, at least you hold doors…
Also, playgrounds are way fun. Swings are glorious, and I get a huge kick out of sliding down the pole dramatically, just for funzies.
Kidlets get dibs, and I don’t like playing there with strange kids, because I’m not really good with younglings past the 30 minute mark if I know them, and have all of zero minutes of comfort with unknown kids. Not because of false accusations, but because I’m just bad at kid-language, and understanding kiddos, and eeeep!
Kids get first dibs. But playgrounds are awesome for non kids, too! Especially in the hours that there’s nary a kidlet in sight…
I really don’t get this “Adults should grow out of it” thing CVC has about playgrounds…
What is it with trolls and made up stories about door-holding? I mean, even if it did happen exactly as he related (let’s face it, though, it didn’t happen), all it means is that he encountered one rude woman once and he decided to be equally rude back. I mean, if you’re telling the story, why not even try to make yourself look like the better person? Instead, he portrays himself as being just as petty and immature as the woman he’s so mad at.
Here’s how you do it, chump:
Why should men hold doors for anybody? Someone got offended once because I held the door open for her. I told her that I hold the door open for everyone, and it wasn’t because she was a woman. That shocked her, and she ended up buying me lunch to thank me. After lunch, I saved a few orphans from a raging house fire. Then I volunteered at a soup kitchen for a few weeks, and worked the night shift in an animal shelter, taking attractive photos of the animals that needed to find good homes. Now I’m back at my regular job curing cancer.
See? Still totally unbelievable, but at least you’ve made yourself look like a good person.
I don’t even think anyone would disagree it’s the individual’s choice whether to hold a door for another. The fact you have the right not to doesn’t make you any less of an asshole for letting doors slam in people’s faces. It reveals a lot about you, not the people you’re treating badly.
What’s fucking ridiculous is the reasoning (“Once I felt disrespected by a girl so now I disrespect ‘me all!”) and the comparison of door-holding with being pregnant.
“3. Get a vasectomy.”
Please do. All of you MRM jokers. It’s a win-win, really. The world doesn’t have to deal with another generation of your bullshit and you are totally free of worries about “spermjacking”. Everybody’s happy!
Here’s what probably really happened. He held the door for a woman and she didn’t thank him profusely or offer to suck his dick. Notice he said ‘got offended” and not “yelled” or “said something rude.”
This woman was probably confused as hell when he said “I’m not hitting on you. You’re not even pretty! Na na na boo boo!”
He sounds like Elliot Rodger, throwing coffee at girls because they didn’t notice and hit on him.
He also smells like socks. Is this Bittersteel?
I once had a guy slam a door in my face. I mean, he entered the building like a full minute before I even turned off the sidewalk, and I don’t even think he knew I existed, but he totally did it to spite me! He denied me my due as a feeeemale! So I vowed at that moment to deny any man who wasn’t George Clooney or Brad Pitt or Ryan Gosling* any sex, ever, and to devote my life to getting other male-attracted people to do the same. I mean, I can’t validate that kind of behavior, people just going about their own lives. How dare men?! #truestorynotreally
*I personally find none of those men sexy, but still I must worship them, because all women do…
Unimaginative,
Thanks.
I appreciate being given a chance to walk it back.
I wonder what Apep thinks would happen if someone helped a kid and someone else accused them of creeping on the kid. Talking to a child in public is not against the law. Good Samaritan laws protect you in the off chance that you try to help someone, but accidentally hurt them instead. Worst case scenario, the accused gets insulted, but the kid is safe and personally, that’s worth an insult from a suspicious parent. On the other hand, if I walked away, I don’t think I’d be able to live with myself. I’ve been insulted over less worthy causes and lived.
Apep,
Women don’t get “validation” from thinking every rando they meet wants to fuck them. Women do not think, “Wow, that random stranger would like to use me to get off. My life has meaning.” From what you’ve shown of yourself here, I can think of plenty of reasons why women would not want you close enough to them to hold their door.
Since you only hold doors for men, do you now assume that those men think you want to fuck them?
When women hold doors for you, do you think they want to fuck you?
Nah. you’re just angry and bitter that somewhere, right now, women are being happy and feeling confident and there is nothing you can do to stop it. So, you’ve invented what you think is a revenge on them for being happy. Newsflash: When you don’t hold the door for other people, they either don’t notice or think you’re kinda rude or maybe in a hurry. Either way, no one ever went home and cried because they had to open their own door. It isn’t difficult to open a door for most people. Holding it is just a friendly gesture you can feel free not to make.
@WWTH – He reeks of socks to me, too.
C’mon, buddy, I’ve only been actively commenting here for about six weeks. If you can’t fool me, you’re lacking.
He could also be undie…
The whole “all girls have to be is thin/’reasonably fit'” with “girls don’t like me because I’m not square jawed and tall” seems really, really familiar…
[Note: paraphrasing Apophidfreedland, not word for word]
bittersteel(e), definitely. I’ve sent an email to the MODS about possible sock puppeting.
Now watch this:
Ape: Cool story Bro, but you might want to get a beta reader to help you with the dialogue.
Ah, I knew I shouldn’t have been taking him seriously. He’s obviously just a very subtle parody of an MGHOW!
Either that, or he’s MR “I’m GMOW so hard I don’t even let women ring up my purchases” from a couple of months ago.
RE: Apep
His body his choice.
How witty. You spend all day coming up with that one? That’s right, folks, being forced to carry a child to term is totally the same as calling the cops when someone’s getting attacked! The medical expenses are totally comparable.
I don’t hold it open for women because it might validate their egos and make them think that someone wants them.
You’re so brave, Apep. Truly, fucking Conan would be impressed.
@apep ‘…so this one time at band camp …’
(seriously, i loved band camp. sure glad apep was not there. plenty of decent guys offered to carry my bari sax for me, which was quite kind, if not necessary for a 5’10” strapping farm girl. if i could march with the damn thing, i can surely carry it in its case.)
There is nothing remotely equivalent between holding doors open and walking past someone being attacked without even calling the police.
And, as LBT pointed out, there is nothing remotely equivalent between walking past someone being attacked without even calling the police and abortion. Not doing the very bare minimum to help someone in a life-threatening situation, which puts no obligation on you but to make a phone call, makes you a morally bankrupt asshole. Respecting the bodily autonomy and decision making capabilities of a pregnant person is not even in the same ballpark.
Apep seems to not see this very obvious thing. That makes Apep either a disingenuous troll or a complete idiot. Or both.
Probably both.
The chance of being falsely accused is low, and the chance of consequently being sent to jail is even lower. In any case, anyone who thinks that it’s better to ignore a kid who is literally dying in front of you than to ignore the vanishingly rare phenomenon of false rape accusations is a selfish piece of shit and a failure of a human being.
Totally not a misogynist. Nope.
Wait. Wait. Wait wait wait wait wait.
You guys don’t suck the dicks of everyone who opens a door for you?
Marinerachel, I know it’s a little juvenile of me, but I’m still a little hung up on the whole you urinate through that thing and you want to put it where?!
I assume I’ll get over that, eventually. But for now, most animals seem to have a really poor design strategy: toxic waste dump running through the recreation area.
That seems wrong.
Admittedly, monotremes have it worse.
Some have considered it proof that the Intelligent Designer was a municipality subcontractor.
To tell you the truth, if I sit down in the cold light of day and ponder about it, most cis-het sex acts have always seemed wildly unsanitary to me. It’s amazing that sexually active humans don’t get more hygiene-related infections and things. I’m sure there are scientific explanations for why this doesn’t usually happen. But really, bacteria of all sorts, just everywhere.
It’s better if I don’t think about it.
Hands are more bacteria laden than genitals.