Let’s say that you’re the “Managing Editor” of a website known far and wide for calling women “whores,” as well as an assortment of other 4- and 5-letter words generally considered crude sexist slurs. Let’s just say that you had a convention, and that during this convention your official spokeswoman went on a bit of a name calling rampage on Twitter, repeatedly attacking a woman who had tried to report on said convention as an “attention whore,” a “fame whore,” and a “little whore,” and offering similar “whore”-based assessments to other critics of the site.
And let’s just say that despite all this you also had a desire to convince the world that your site was not actually the misogynistic cesspit that it so obviously is. Would you:
1) Apologize for using the words “whore” and “bitch” and “c*nt” and other similar sexist epithets against women.
2) In your capacity as editor, quietly remove the word “whore” (and “bitch” and “c*nt”) from future postings on the site, and tell your PR maven to maybe come up with a less misogynistic insult of choice.
3) Start calling men whores so that no one can accuse you of hating women because, see we use “whore” to refer to men too!
The answer, of course, is 3 — at least if you’re Dean Esmay, “Managing Editor” of A Voice for Men. In a recent comment thread on AVFM, he declared:
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CONFIDENTIAL TO D— E—-: No one is buying your bullshit. Also, if you want to try to convince the world that you’re a Friend of Sex Workers, you should probably stop using the word “whore” as an insult for women or men.
BINGO!! Hahaha. Everyone reset your boards!
Seriously though, bittersteel, no one here is advocating for the type of relationship you fear. It sounds terrible and abusive and manipulative and if you ever find yourself faced with a woman who actually does any of those things, you would be correct to run for your life.
Abusive relationships are bad. We don’t think otherwise. Promise.
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I win!! I got bingo on my card!!!
So in other words “you’re on your own.” I care about those issues and guess what? I’m not doing it for profit. Sorry to break it to you, but I’ve never made money for being a feminist, nor have I made money for advocating (from the sidelines) for other minority groups. I get involved because I genuinely care. Yes, you shouldn’t speak over or for minority groups you are not part of, but that doesn’t mean you can’t help.
Bitter troll is too irrational to justify engaging with anymore.
So I was thinking about Dean Esmay waiting on Adam Serwer to answer his 13-question challenge. I wonder if this was a tactic he picked up from Mikey Buchanan at the conference the other weekend. I recall a similar Mortal Kombat-style rhetorical throwdown being proposed (ad nauseam) to David a few weeks ago in the comments here.
Pffft. ninja’d by fromafar
Bs,
There are plenty of LGBTQ commenters here so accusing us all of appropriating those issues is shitty.
Also, expecting you to not erase LGBTQA people with your evo psych crap is not appropriation.
Oh nice, so the only value your theoretical kid would have to you is a vehicle to pass along your genes? So tell me, why do you think people adopt children that aren’t related to them, or help raise their step-children, if the biological drive to reproduce is all that matters to parents? Or do you concede that most parents aren’t obsessed with the propitiation of their genetic code and this is your personal character flaw?
Dude, it’s incredibly offensive to say that someone’s adopted children are “someone else’s kids.”
DAMMIT!!! I only needed two more!
@ mildlymagnificent
We must have been using the same board! It’s okay, I’ll share my shipment of scented fucking candles and penguins wearing spanx when it comes in the mail.
“Unlike feminism, which appropriates them so that it can get unaudited funding from the government for the issues that other people face.”
There it is again… what money are you talking about???
“And speaking of racism, stop equating things that aren’t slavery with slavery. That’s really offensive too.”
1. Slavery (globally, not from a US perspective) isn’t a race-based issue, as I’m well aware because I’ve taken courses on the subject. Every society on this planet has had slaves, regardless of color. The Middle Eastern kingdoms (Ottoman) had slaves. The Russians had slaves. India had the caste system which is definitely a form of slavery. Western European governments had slaves. The Aztecs had slaves. The Inka had slaves. Egypt had slaves. Ancient Israel had slaves.West African societies had slaves. Athens had slaves. The Romans had slaves. How dare you pretend that slavery is restricted to just a United States perspective? If that’s not offensive for being Eurocentric and Western-centric, I don’t know what is. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that the majority of people alive today have at least one ancestor who was a slave at some point given that throughout history, groups have been waging war with each other and enslaving each other.
2. Forcing someone to do work for someone else without consent is the very definition of slavery and is exactly what is happening in these paternity fraud cases.
Weren’t we just talking about what animals will adopt youngsters that aren’t theirs?
We’re going to have to ask you to surrender your trilby to the hazmat personnel, sir.
“Unaudited funding from the government”
Seriously, where do you come up with this shit, bittersteel?
Ok, kid, see, when you assume everyone is both cis and heterosexual you are effectively erasing the experiences of those who are trans and/or gay or lesbian or bi. It’s a little bit like assuming everyone is white.
See how that works?
No one is “pretending slavery is restricted to just a United States perspective.” We’re saying that it’s offensive to call that slavery because of what people have actually suffered as real slaves. You can stop being morally offended, because we all already know that slavery is not a unique the the US phenomenon.
Yes, Sarah Palin roughly said the same thing once.
FYI bittersteel, not of the commenters here are white or from the US. Just a heads up.
“Unlike feminism, which appropriates them so that it can get unaudited funding from the government for the issues that other people face.”
LOL,I wish I could get the money,where are the money by the way?
Is there a feminist equivalent of Paul Elam here?
It’s fascinating to read people who have very sensible positions, buried beneath a thick blanket of fantasy.
“I think people should be equals in a relationship, but you believe men should be enslaved to abusive sperm-jacking cuckolds.”
Um… no?
“I think it’s appalling that men are thrown in jail forever just for asking women out on a date.”
I do too. You know, if it ever actually happened.
“I support gay rights, you only support it to appropriate their cash!”
wat.
What’s next? Opposing the Endangered Species Act, because if we can’t shoot pegasi, we’ll be up to our necks in flying horse shit?
Happily for you, we already have a handy guide for this.
So libertarianism = trolling? Really? Again, I’m sorry for stepping out of line and not accepting that liberals are my masters and have the right to speak for me alone.
“Also, expecting you to not erase LGBTQA people with your evo psych crap is not appropriation.”
Um, not mentioning someone doesn’t mean I’m erasing them from existence. It means that I’m focusing on an aspect of the world that doesn’t apply to them. There’s a huge difference between focusing on a small part of the world for a discussion and on pretending that the other part of the world doesn’t exist. I acknowledge that they exist but am not quite sure why for a discussion that has nothing to do with them, I need to focus on them. That’s literally like saying that if I debate about the caste system in India, I’m erasing serfdom in England. I’m not erasing them. I’m just not discussing them at the moment. See the difference?
“Oh nice, so the only value your theoretical kid would have to you is a vehicle to pass along your genes?”
Um, obviously. That’s the point of reproducing, lol.
“So tell me, why do you think people adopt children that aren’t related to them, or help raise their step-children, if the biological drive to reproduce is all that matters to parents? Or do you concede that most parents aren’t obsessed with the propitiation of their genetic code and this is your personal character flaw?”
Well, I personally think that the selfish people in society are conning them into believing that they have an obligation to take care of someone else’s kids (the people angriest about selfishness tend to be the MOST SELF-SERVING in my opinion. Like, I’ve done a lot more favors for a friend who is very adamantly against selfishness as a value than he has for me, and he doesn’t see the irony in that), but I don’t want to get into this too much in case it offends someone.
So dark the con of man.
Okay, dude: Alpha and beta males are not a thing. It is a made-up meme by the MRM designed to make men feel like victims of women because they feel disaffected from society rather than victims of the actual causes of that disaffection, namely capitalism, classism, lookism, ableism (for MRAs who are physically and/or mentally disabaled), racism (although most MRAs are are white and so that does not apply to them), and patriarchal gender roles, all of which are propagated primarily by rich, upper-class, white men.
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I can’t even.
Here, kittens.
You’re right, he needs somewhere to run free and get lots of exercise for his moral superiority. I hear Galt’s Gulch is lovely this time of year.
“2. Forcing someone to do work for someone else without consent is the very definition of slavery and is exactly what is happening in these paternity fraud cases.”
And what exactly happen in paternity fraud cases?
Did the mother chained the husband,preventing him to leave and whipping him,forcing him to gave up his salary to support his non-biological child?
Seriously this conversation is getting longer and he still fail to produce evidence that feminist force men to stay in cuckolding relationship…