Let’s say that you’re the “Managing Editor” of a website known far and wide for calling women “whores,” as well as an assortment of other 4- and 5-letter words generally considered crude sexist slurs. Let’s just say that you had a convention, and that during this convention your official spokeswoman went on a bit of a name calling rampage on Twitter, repeatedly attacking a woman who had tried to report on said convention as an “attention whore,” a “fame whore,” and a “little whore,” and offering similar “whore”-based assessments to other critics of the site.
And let’s just say that despite all this you also had a desire to convince the world that your site was not actually the misogynistic cesspit that it so obviously is. Would you:
1) Apologize for using the words “whore” and “bitch” and “c*nt” and other similar sexist epithets against women.
2) In your capacity as editor, quietly remove the word “whore” (and “bitch” and “c*nt”) from future postings on the site, and tell your PR maven to maybe come up with a less misogynistic insult of choice.
3) Start calling men whores so that no one can accuse you of hating women because, see we use “whore” to refer to men too!
The answer, of course, is 3 — at least if you’re Dean Esmay, “Managing Editor” of A Voice for Men. In a recent comment thread on AVFM, he declared:
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CONFIDENTIAL TO D— E—-: No one is buying your bullshit. Also, if you want to try to convince the world that you’re a Friend of Sex Workers, you should probably stop using the word “whore” as an insult for women or men.
“Are you sure that one experience is the reason you hate feminism? Or perhaps you have been rejected by women?”
Ah, see? I knew that eventually you guys would pull that out! It’s predictable. Any time someone challenges your worldview you attack him for being a sexual misfit. And to think that there are people on this site right now who have the audacity to pretend that feminists don’t do this! Here’s your proof everyone!
And for your information, I’ve never once been rejected by a woman. And that’s because I’m smart and I’ve never approached any women in a sexual manner. I am well aware that under Title IX I can be expelled jailed for asking the wrong woman out on a date even if I only do it once and after she says no I politely thank her and walk away.
You might want to re-read Title IX then
Yeah, that’s not cool. Don’t do that.
But that’s one anonymous commenter. You claimed that all feminists, including David Futrelle, do this constantly. Like it’s somehow central to feminism. BS, dude.
And I knew that you would ignore all of our comments until someone said something fucked up, and then react exclusively to that, but say “you guys” so it seemed like we were all complicit in said fucked up statement. You’re boring and bad at logic. Get your head out of your ass.
@ bittersteel
I’d like to get your opinion on chemtrails and ancient aliens, plz.
Funny how nowhere do the sexual harassment laws (which apply to the workplace and are title VII not title IX) say you can be jailed for asking a woman out on a date.
http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/fs-sex.cfm
Apropos of nothing: I’ve known, if not hundreds, at least scores of proud, self-identified feminists in my life, a couple of whom (friends of friends) I haven’t gotten along well with for whatever reason (gee, like they’re individual people or something). Never once in my 46 years has any single one of them ever insulted me once by telling me I couldn’t get laid. Literally never. Kinda undermines any “all” statements on the matter, from where I sit.
The co-opting of women issues, what great fun!
Women slut shame men all the time, you guys. Seriously, it’s a thing. Oh, and we had an Evil Fat Women (who he could tell were both 40-years-old just by looking at them) treated me like a piece of meat interlude.
P.S. All the feminists he knows are evil.
Ta-dah! Performance art!
^ that’s supposed to be don’t say
“Wow, an unaccountably large percentage of your friends appear to have come straight out of Ye Olde General Store of Evil Feminist Tropes. Or possibly Ol’ Strawman’s Factory for Rebranding People You Don’t Like As Feminists. How bizarre.”
Interesting. Are you accusing me of making it up/making a false accusation? I thought those weren’t a thing?
And FYI it’s not an unaccountably large percentage. I would say I have about 20ish friends that I talk to a lot. About four are like this. I really don’t discuss feminism/politics that much though so I don’t know. I stay away from it outside the internet because I don’t want to have my life ruined for saying that I don’t support feminism (I know that last statement sounds extreme/like trolling, bu go to a very liberal school that has a lot of far-left groups, so it’s a legitimate concern. I spent a large portion of my life being socially ostracized for being short and a minority, so I’m not willing to go through that again).
Uh, no. Read what Ally said.
When someone rants about not being able to get as much sex as he ‘deserves’ and claims that it’s because such and such ebil wimminz, us saying “Have you tried not being an asshole?” is not accusing him of being a ‘sexual misfit’.
“You might want to re-read Title IX then”
Title IX lets schools expel people for making unwanted sexual advances. A date is a sexual advance. If I ask a girl out and she rejects me, the sexual advance wasn’t wanted. Ergo, I can be expelled/jailed for asking a girl out of a date even once. And because I can’t mind-read, I have no way of knowing whether or not it was wanted in advance.
No, it doesn’t. Title IX says
Title IX complaints are against institutions, not individuals.
Sorry bittersteel and to all the ladies here…
I promise that I wouldn’t do that again and my question do not represent all feminists here but …
I’m still questioning people’s motives when they said they hate feminism….if they hate feminism because feminists have attacked them,claiming all men are evil,rapists and such.That would be understandable but I still don’t understand the fact that there is one male feminist who didn’t take his friend’s experience of being sexually assaulted by a group of women is the reason that turn him into MRAs
@ bittersteel
So outside of four people who may or may not be well read on feminist issues (likely not), you know nothing of what Feminism actually is or advocates for?
But you want to mansplain ALL OF Feminism to us anyway…
Okay -_-;
From your own Title IX quote: “Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual’s employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual’s work performance, or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment”
A date is a sexual advance. If she says no, it was unwanted. And there’s literally no standard for determining whether or not it was threatening other than her own feelings. So if I ask the wrong girl out on a date just once (and I can’t know if it was wanted or not because I’m not a mind reader!) and she thinks that I’m threatening/a creep (because that’s the feminist code word for unattractive male), she can get me expelled. Yeah, my whole life isn’t worth a date with some potentially insane person with borderline personality disorder. That’s why I never ask.
What a one-dimensional, depressing, and at least potentially misogynistic view of dating and relationships.
Dude, do you have any fucking clue what a sexual advance is?
Fuck you and fuck your disablism.
I meant to say “harassment”, not “sexual advance”.
Four is too small of a sample size to use as evidence.
You still haven’t proved anything except anecdotes that feminists are bigots. Anecdotes are fine if they’re only conversational or if they are used to personalize a documented phenomenon. They do not stand on their own as evidence.
You willfully ignored this part.
So if you asked her out, she said no, and you asked her out again, and again, and started trying to manipulate her or intimidate her into dating you then yes, you would have a problem.
Asking someone out on a date once, being turned down, and gracefully accepting the ‘no’ as an answer is not harassment.
Really. Come on now.
“Ah, see? I knew that eventually you guys would pull that out! It’s predictable. Any time someone challenges your worldview you attack him for being a sexual misfit. And to think that there are people on this site right now who have the audacity to pretend that feminists don’t do this! Here’s your proof everyone!”
Don’t worry Bittersteel,I too had being called a bitch,a whore,a slut,a cum dumpster etc for not sharing their worldview.It’s amusing to think these guys actually think that I must be hopping from one dick to dick when I disagree with them.But there were some who tell me off to go and feed my cats….
Would you feel less offended if I tell you you to go and feed your cats or whatever pets you have?
And don’t worry my post do not represent any of the feminists here….
“So outside of four people who may or may not be well read on feminist issues (likely not), you know nothing of what Feminism actually is or advocates for?”
No, actually I was feminist a few years ago. Then I read Melanie McDonagh’s article in the Spectator about why paternity tests should be banned. I also read about how feminist groups had paternity tests banned in the France and Australia so that they could cuckold the hardworking beta men and force them to take care of some alpha thug’s children (why alpha thugs get a free pass from being responsible for their own children, especially when feminists claim that a lot of men are deadbeats is beyond me, but I suppose that alphas are gods so they can do whatever they want and the betas should be punished). It was also interesting that around that time, I actually figured out how to make friends and as I observed people instead of just reading about women complaining about men on the internet, I realized just exactly how wrong they were.
“Yeah, my whole life isn’t worth a date with some potentially insane person with borderline personality disorder.”
A defense mechanism from someone’s who afraid of being rejected..
Interestingly, the first place I heard about the LuLu app was a feminist website where they denounced it for objectifying men.