Let’s say that you’re the “Managing Editor” of a website known far and wide for calling women “whores,” as well as an assortment of other 4- and 5-letter words generally considered crude sexist slurs. Let’s just say that you had a convention, and that during this convention your official spokeswoman went on a bit of a name calling rampage on Twitter, repeatedly attacking a woman who had tried to report on said convention as an “attention whore,” a “fame whore,” and a “little whore,” and offering similar “whore”-based assessments to other critics of the site.
And let’s just say that despite all this you also had a desire to convince the world that your site was not actually the misogynistic cesspit that it so obviously is. Would you:
1) Apologize for using the words “whore” and “bitch” and “c*nt” and other similar sexist epithets against women.
2) In your capacity as editor, quietly remove the word “whore” (and “bitch” and “c*nt”) from future postings on the site, and tell your PR maven to maybe come up with a less misogynistic insult of choice.
3) Start calling men whores so that no one can accuse you of hating women because, see we use “whore” to refer to men too!
The answer, of course, is 3 — at least if you’re Dean Esmay, “Managing Editor” of A Voice for Men. In a recent comment thread on AVFM, he declared:
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CONFIDENTIAL TO D— E—-: No one is buying your bullshit. Also, if you want to try to convince the world that you’re a Friend of Sex Workers, you should probably stop using the word “whore” as an insult for women or men.
I just informed my eldest and only biokid that her biodad is really a mysterious “alpha” jock and that the funny, nerdy, handsome man whose eyes strangely favor hers has been hornswaggled into raising her as his own.
She thanked me for my duplicity and kept playing Gears of War with her friends.
…she just yelled, “We are not selling her for bacon!” WTF, Gears of War?
(OT, I think I hear Bender voicing one of the characters. 🙂 )
The duped dude is just laughing. I don’t think he suspects a thing. Muhahaha! My plans remain unfoiled!
Where are my cats? I need to ominously pet a kitty.
“Oddly, I actually believe BS’s story about ‘any man in the phone book’. I can totally see someone trying to seriously engage with this nitwit, hitting a wall of insistent ignorance and saying the most outrageous thing possible as he storms off disgusted.”
LOL, YES!! I was figuring that if that happened, his friend was trolling him.
Re: DNA, my mistake, I forgot that men invented everything ever, and would’ve done it all sooner if not for hunting the mammoth for women.
I was wrong. That was voice actor Fred Tatasciore.
Oddly enough, John Dimaggio does voice a character in this game. That just wasn’t him.
But we had to look it up or disagree all night.
Ah…family. 🙂
Flounce score: -12, I think
Suggested troll challenge: He’s allowed out of moderation if he can explain why my value system can’t supersede his if all value systems are made up anyway.
I say he should only be allowed out of moderation if he can actually prove he’s not a sock.
(Yes, I know this is probably impossible, but was anyone enjoying his comments anyway? Thus, no loss.)
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go tell my dad that he’s too short to be an alpha and therefore clearly is not my bio-parent. This will be a shock, considering how much we look like each other.
Coming in late to the bittersteel party, but I googled that quoted passage in his first post to find out where it might come from, and lo and behold the only hit I got was from this very page. It’s almost as if he pulled it right from his ass.
And I can’t afford to spend any more time figuring out what evil feminist could have been implying people they didn’t like were sex workers, not when I need to figure out whether my father’s an alpha or a beta. On the alpha hand, he’s athletic, my older brothers look an awful lot like him (I take after my mother’s side of the family myself), and I recall a family story of him doing a takedown on my mother when they first met. On the beta hand, he’s shorter than my mom, he’s a proud math geek, he’s not an asshole, and he spent a good chunk of time earlier today cleaning the house. So how am I supposed to tell if he’s my biodad or if my genes come from an alpha god (maybe Zeus, maybe Odin)?
This even extends to a child in your care? I’ve read a lot of terrible shit on the internet, but I think that’s the most fucked up thing I’ve ever read.
You know what, bittersteel? I officially yield. You’re 100% right about women and feminists. Brag about it to everyone you like. Sing from the mountaintops about your victory. Women are terrible. Marriage is terrible. You’re absolutely right.
As long as this means you’ll continue to avoid having relationships with women and, more importantly, you’ll never have children, never raise children, and, if possible, never go near a child. If your libertarianism is so extreme that you’ll dehumanize a hypothetical a child in your care, I will literally say anything you want to make sure you’re never responsible for an actual child. Just ask.
I am not debunking that damn “paternity fraud” stuff in a second thread.
Re prostate cancer, it is often left untreated because it’s slow growing and something else will shuffle off the man. The side effects of surgery are (and note the high percentages who will experience sexual dysfunction as a result of the surgery): http://www.pcf.org/site/c.leJRIROrEpH/b.5822789/k.9652/Side_Effects.htm
Here”s the side effects from radiation therapy: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/type/prostate-cancer/treatment/radiotherapy/side-effects-of-prostate-cancer-radiotherapy
Here’s the side effects from chemotherapy: http://www.pcf.org/site/c.leJRIROrEpH/b.5836637/k.D89F/Side_Effects_of_Chemotherapy.htm
With a tumour, I assume that they will automatically do surgery and/or radiation therapy. These side effects can be extremely severe and long-term. The reason that fewer funds are spent on prostate cancer compared with breast cancer is that the cost and quality-adjusted life year calculations are very different for both types of cancer, even if the number of cases was equivalent. There would be lots of men who would be over-treated for prostate cancer who will suffer major side effects, who could have happily continued living with the cancer. The outcomes from non-treatment of prostate cancer are not equivalent to the outcomes from non-treatment of breast cancers.
And yes, men get breast cancer too, but nothing like the rates that women experience.
The negative/positive rights thing is all nonsense because any “negative” right can be reframed as a positive right and vice versa.
The right not to be enslaved = the right to be free.
The right to have adequate food = the right not to starve.
Etc, etc.
::uses mighty moderator powers to look at unapproved comments::
Nope, unless WP ate it, your comment’s through!
LOL about typo maybe – if you did, I didn’t notice.
And, because this thread has me so riled up, I just want to say that I find it enormously offensive that troll-boy (by criticising an effective screening program that is designed to reduce one of the major killers of females*) appears to want more females to die. Breast cancer is a leading cause of female mortality: http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/detailedguide/breast-cancer-key-statistics and http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/ and http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/types/breast/mortality/uk-breast-cancer-mortality-statistics although I find the stats confusing because the CDC refer to “women” and the UK site is apparently using “female” and “women” interchangeably.
Using the US Cancer Society site, we can make some morbidity and mortality comparisons between breast and prostate cancer (see http://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostatecancer/detailedguide/prostate-cancer-key-statistics and http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/detailedguide/breast-cancer-key-statistics). While the probability that a man will die from prostate cancer is about 1 in 36, which is the same probability that a woman (their term) will die from breast cancer, the key point is the 1 in 36 probability for women has only come about due to breast cancer screening, ergo if there was no screening then the mortality rate would be much higher. Note that the CDC website says that the mortality rates were on the rise before the screening program was introduced. That the introduction of the screening program lowered rates, as opposed to merely stabilising the mortality rate, is a huge testament to the effectiveness of that screening program. Gosh, it seems that a breast screening program is evidence-based medicine.
* More research is needed to address factors affecting breast cancer rates in trans women (e.g. this page fudges it: http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancerinmen/detailedguide/breast-cancer-in-men-risk-factors) and in trans men (http://www.cancer-network.org/media/pdf/Trans_people_and_cancer.pdf). That we don’t know that information is appalling.
David you really must ready the recent ROK article called “Men fought the Nazi’s, women slept with them”. This has been circulating through the comment sections for a long time(the thoughts that is) but it finally congealed into an article. I’m unable to comment there as I am banned, but the fact that the mens rights movement is a lot about the white race getting short changed and the need to take it back to save Western civilization goes unnoticed most of the time. There in the comments section you can see for yourself. And pay attention to the upvoting.
So if an article starts with an idiotic reference to Nazis, is the thread already Godwinned?
It is still the case. Beloved relative in his eighties has it & was told precisely that. Thankfully, hasn’t affected his quality of life (which is high) at all.
*heavy sigh*
I wonder if the posting “Men Fought the Nazis…” is an editorial response to the comment thread on “Learn How To Think Instead Of Believing In Lies And Conspiracy Theories.” Scary reading, that commentariat—particularly the Holocaust denial sentiments, which include name-dropping Raul Hilberg, the author of one of the most detailed studies into the extermination camps. There is no arguing with those who unequivocally support the thesis that black is white.
In re jigsaws: “Green Gruesome” – 1000 pieces, all the same colour green. There was a large-ish prize for finishing it first, which I did not win.
It would make an awesome troll challenge, I think.
In re the usual horseshit about “menz built civilization”… let’s see you build jack shit without food, you whiny ass shitweasels.
My best friend was just diagnosed with cancer. She’s 26. A tumor showed up on her lower spine while she was getting an MRI for leg pain. She is hoping to be admitted for treatment this week. The doctors think it is either a melanoma or a pecoma. I feel terrible that I haven’t been with her more because of work. Meh.
I love this. I really do.
“I have a friend… he said this messed-up shit… AND THAT’S WHAT YOU’VE BEEN DOING, MONSTERS!!!!”
We’ve discussed before about paternity and child support and how a really fair system would be to just provide governmental support to all kids, everywhere, regardless of parentage, that everybody paid into? Yes, we have. And so have a heck of a lot of feminists.
But, no, bittersteele’s friend said that once, and so…
I have a friend who said that steelethesecond is a very sad boy who needs to find a new hobby and stop pestering people who’ve told him to go away many, many times. My friend also says that he eats babies. This is definitely true, because my friend said it, and it means that all trolls eat babies. Curse you, very selective cannibals!
(The above is totes true, I promise. )
I’m sure Snopes would totally rate that true, Cassandrakitty 🙂
@bunnybunny – that’s rotten news about your friend. I hope she can be treated quickly, and that the side effects of the medicine aren’t too gross. Cancer sucks.
Troll challenge for bittersteel – Must provide objective proof that he does not consume babies. Cannot be a link from reddit, MRA sites, or feminist works that are twenty years old.
I wish your friend well Bunnybunny.
Bunnybunny, best of luck to your friend; hope everything goes well.
Thanks all.