Let’s say that you’re the “Managing Editor” of a website known far and wide for calling women “whores,” as well as an assortment of other 4- and 5-letter words generally considered crude sexist slurs. Let’s just say that you had a convention, and that during this convention your official spokeswoman went on a bit of a name calling rampage on Twitter, repeatedly attacking a woman who had tried to report on said convention as an “attention whore,” a “fame whore,” and a “little whore,” and offering similar “whore”-based assessments to other critics of the site.
And let’s just say that despite all this you also had a desire to convince the world that your site was not actually the misogynistic cesspit that it so obviously is. Would you:
1) Apologize for using the words “whore” and “bitch” and “c*nt” and other similar sexist epithets against women.
2) In your capacity as editor, quietly remove the word “whore” (and “bitch” and “c*nt”) from future postings on the site, and tell your PR maven to maybe come up with a less misogynistic insult of choice.
3) Start calling men whores so that no one can accuse you of hating women because, see we use “whore” to refer to men too!
The answer, of course, is 3 — at least if you’re Dean Esmay, “Managing Editor” of A Voice for Men. In a recent comment thread on AVFM, he declared:
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CONFIDENTIAL TO D— E—-: No one is buying your bullshit. Also, if you want to try to convince the world that you’re a Friend of Sex Workers, you should probably stop using the word “whore” as an insult for women or men.
I’VE GOT IT! He’s a bot, but he’s actually a bot sent by an alien species in order to investigate the Earth and humans, but unfortunately his first foray to the planet landed him in Detroit on a fateful, late-June afternoon, into a conference. With that first contact as his reference point he is now trying to figure out “What is female?” because he obviously has not encountered them outside of the Honey Badgers. I wonder if maybe this bot was the arm-petting guy from the conference? First time on earth and decides to pet the closest human to try to fit in?
Just how deep does the rabbit hole go? I shouldn’t be surprised by Hugo. Fucking. Schwyzer. anymore, and yet, here we are.
Damn, damn, damn! Knew I forgot something! I was supposed to bear the children of some bad boy alpha instead of having them with my husband. I’ve never met one of these fabled alphas and don’t think I’d like to sex one up if I ever did, but that was my job! Unless my husband is the alpha… but that’s not possible because only betas get married. Doom! I have failed the gynocracy!!!
But really…this is how bittersteel thinks all consenting adults structure their personal lives? With deception and desperation and exploitation? Dude is seriously the through-the-looking-glass version of und. Same cold, transactional view of relationships, but wrapped in a shiny package of Objectivism and agitating anger.
Look bittersteel, even if you continue to hold on to these idiotic ideas, it’s still possible to have relationships, children even.
Just like the rest of us, you’ll want a partner who shares most, if not all, your own values. Given that, a woman who loves you will recognise your insecurities and worries about children and make allowances and concessions for them. She might very well agree, in advance — long before there’s any pregnancy to be concerned about — that your mind should be settled right from the start and that she’ll willingly cooperate in DNA testing for any and all children the two of you might have. So there’s no issue with violating any laws about obtaining samples for DNA testing in any country that I know of, though you will have to pay for them out of your own pocket.
So you have a partner who respects and loves you despite your silly worries and you have children.
Frankly, I think, I hope, you’ll grow out of all this rubbish long before it’s a real issue. But bear it in mind as a possibility.
Help, I need advice! How the heck does one find an alpha bad boy when one’s hubby is a king? How much more alpha can a guy be than that? Emperors are a bit thin on the ground and I can’t actually think of any I’d fancy.
Very good, but sex doesn’t fall under contract law. It’s got a whole other set of rules and customs associated with it.
“Consent to sex” is basically just saying, “I agree to have sex with you, the person standing in front of me right now.” It doesn’t require you to produce a sworn thousand-page due diligence document describing everything about yourself that I might find relevant.
So, to take a common real-world scenario: Suppose X and Y have sex, and X is married,to someone else and lied to Y about it. X is a horrible person, but this doesn’t rise to the level of rape. Y won’t have any luck in civil court either; remember that contract law doesn’t apply, so Y can’t sue for breach of contract. (Y is permitted to notify X’s spouse, and they’re also allowed to work together to plot some elaborate revenge if they happen to be characters in a movie.)
Do you think we should change the law to address this situation? If so, what changes would you like to see?
I remember that shitbag essay from the Hugonator. I hope it’s “cool story bro” BS, because if it’s true the other man in the story should be able to easily figure out that it’s his wife and child being discussed. What a guy.
Raymond, Jefferys and Greer. At least he isn’t using the bug to prove feminists hate trans women?
I wish! I’ve been told, repeatedly, to my enternal dismay, that the asshole male parental unit is actually the one who supplied half my DNA. (And no dude, I don’t wish this because GO GIRL, GOT RICH DNA AND A LOSER TO PAY!! But because I really, really, do not want to be related to this particular asshole.)
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My mother earlier — “so I had a date last night”
Me — eyes about pop out of my head “you had a date?”
Her — “yeah, we bought some yesterday”
D’OH!
LOL!
@kittehserf – That’s a pickle. I think that you too might have to admit failure. We’ll just have to throw ourselves at the mercy of the Feminist High Council and hope for clemency.
We will, Flying Mouse, we will. I can only hope that our records of servitude to the Furrinati will stand us in good stead when the judgement is passed down.
Catherine von Uberwald, hi, have a Welcome Package!
Don’t worry, your English is fine!
Are you a Pratchett fan, perchance, with that nym? ::pricks ears up hopefully::
You’re right, there’s no way bittertwit is here in good faith. Too many troll tells. Thank goodness he’s in the Pit of Moderation now.
Flying Mouse said:
Wait, I was not supposed to have a child with my husband? I thought that was how I was supposed to trap him into the purgatory of endless, backbreaking labor that is modern marriage.
Oh crap, I screwed up! I suppose that’s why I haven’t got my taxpayer-funded, government-mandated feminist check yet, huh?
bittersteel, if you’re still reading, you should know that reddit and blogs aren’t actual sources. All you’ve proven is that you can find someone out there who will espouse some opinion or theory., no matter how outrageous or far-fetched. What you’re looking for is peer reviewed research and statistics from reputable sources.
Um, no. It does not literally mean that every man in the population is dying of prostate cancer. It just doesn’t. What it means is that as men age, their risk for prostate cancer increases.
Which is why the American Cancer Society recommends prostate cancer screening at least every two years starting at the age of 40-50 (earlier and more frequent screening for those who fall into certain risk categories) for people who have prostates.
What the ever loving fuck?
If this kid isn’t Al, I’ll eat a cat toy. A name based on ASOIAF, short, and a total rage monkey. All he needs to do now is creep on Cassandra.
Also, you *keep* getting the laws/regulations regarding paternity testing in Australia and France wrong. In Australia, a man can stop paying child support based on consent of the mother *or* a court order. Australian men can get paternity tests and use them as evidence in the court proceedings. As to France, getting a paternity test requires a court order, but it is possible and legal when done that way. And you keep bringing up one woman who claims paternity tests are antifeminist. There are tons of feminists who claim the opposite and have criticized her.
I’ll play, since I was one of the people asking for citations to back up your points. Here’s my breakdown of your points. The one with the most citations/searchable facts is Claim 4, and I would be shocked if most on this site agreed with the statements made.
Claim 1
1. starts off with the same article constantly mentioned
2. decides to cite Hugo-Fucking-Schwyzer (honestly, search this site for him… we’ll wait)
3. moves into “ok you’re right, but I’m not changing my mind”
4. claims that you will be arrested in France with no citations, certainly not one to counter the opposite provided earlier
Claim 2
1. relies entirely on points in claim 1
2. begging the question, literally
3. points to a reddit post where the first question is “is this study legit?”, by the 5th comment the actual paper is linked with the comment “they give a couple of alternative explanations in the paper”
4. there are more than 4 blood types, and they don’t necessarily interact the way that you are taught in grade school. Also, link was not provided
5. “Judge Joe Brown” reality daytime tv show cited as fact
Claim 3
1. anecdote
2. anecdote with no citation for the fact provided
3. assumes facts not in evidence re: healthcare costs
3 (the second). no medical understanding of types of cancer, benign vs. malignent and that men can also get breast cancer
Claim 4
1. restates claim already debunked earlier in the thread
*2. an article talking about how feminism can do better – something the majority of the commentariate on this site would agree with
3. citation to a book from 1979
*4. a self-identified radfem whose views again I think that most if not all here would disagree with (also, her views that all feminists should be lesbians… wut?!)
*5. a claim that again most or all here would disagree with.
I’ll concede to points where I’ve marked an “*”, which gets you a grade of 3/18 or 16%
Also, in the US at least, most women are charged *higher* premiums for healthcare than men (this is before getting into the idea that one’s employer can dictate whether and which kinds of birth control she can have covered or if abortions would be covered)
Thanks, Kate. This will be added to your application for sainthood.
I really wish this kid would find another hobby, just so I wouldn’t have to scroll through the same crap over and over again. Maybe we should send him a jigsaw.
sparky, you’ll just have to put up a convincing argument for the Feminist High Council that the sprogs aren’t really your husband’s at all, while at the same time convincing him that they are.
Not quite sure how you’ll do that balancing act, but tuning in to the Hivemind might give you some suitably misandric ideas.
Bitternitwit seems to think “tumour cells” means “malignant tumour cells”. He’s never heard of benign tumours, apparently. He also seems to think having tumour cells = death sentence. Nope.
Ya, and given the influence mental state has on physical health, it would be better if that myth is debunked as broadly as possible.
I’m also a bad woman and feminist, I married a nonrich nonjock and had a child with him (well, almost two now). In fact, hubby’s a geek and I’m a nerd. Wonder if we both did something wrong. 🙂
It’s “trans people”, not “transpeople”.
TERFs. Which, mind you, don’t constitute all feminists. For fuck’s sake, have you listened to a single thing I’ve said?
XD
Hey, Ally, want to hear something funny? May I email you?
Also, you know expecting dudetrolls to listen to women is misandry.
Thank you, kittehserf!
Welcome package explains so many things. I’ll have fun with We Hunted the Mammoth’s recommended reading.
I’m just happy it’s understandable. In most cases I understand English very well but when I’m supposed to write something in it? Well, grammar is really not my strong point. But I’ll do my best when / if (I’ll probably just go back to lurking soon) I post again.
Yes, I’m a Pratchett fan!
Good thing about Pit of Moderation.
Bitter sound like a incorrigible troll. Somebody who was posting in good faith wouldn’t have made that last post.
He acknowledged that a lot of people here were against some truly out of line things one person posted about him. Somebody who’s posting in good faith might have seen that as a reason to try rethinking his “all feminists are always horrible” stance.
But no. He just went back to spewing offensive garbage (Obviously, offending everybody who ever adopted a child wasn’t enough. Now he claims that every child born is a offspring of some mythical “Alpha”) and bogus MRA taking points. That all boil down to “all feminists are always horrible”.