Let’s say that you’re the “Managing Editor” of a website known far and wide for calling women “whores,” as well as an assortment of other 4- and 5-letter words generally considered crude sexist slurs. Let’s just say that you had a convention, and that during this convention your official spokeswoman went on a bit of a name calling rampage on Twitter, repeatedly attacking a woman who had tried to report on said convention as an “attention whore,” a “fame whore,” and a “little whore,” and offering similar “whore”-based assessments to other critics of the site.
And let’s just say that despite all this you also had a desire to convince the world that your site was not actually the misogynistic cesspit that it so obviously is. Would you:
1) Apologize for using the words “whore” and “bitch” and “c*nt” and other similar sexist epithets against women.
2) In your capacity as editor, quietly remove the word “whore” (and “bitch” and “c*nt”) from future postings on the site, and tell your PR maven to maybe come up with a less misogynistic insult of choice.
3) Start calling men whores so that no one can accuse you of hating women because, see we use “whore” to refer to men too!
The answer, of course, is 3 — at least if you’re Dean Esmay, “Managing Editor” of A Voice for Men. In a recent comment thread on AVFM, he declared:
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CONFIDENTIAL TO D— E—-: No one is buying your bullshit. Also, if you want to try to convince the world that you’re a Friend of Sex Workers, you should probably stop using the word “whore” as an insult for women or men.
*don’t*
bittersteele:
Proof. Provide it, please.
sebhai, I agree with Kate and WatermelonSugar. That was not cool.
bs, sebhai is new here and what he said was out of line. I missed that while skimming comments.
sebhai, WTF?
Fat shaming, virgin shaming and lookism too? That’s not cool and I think you should be put in moderation at this point.
Sebhai, knock it off.
I think that wouldhave been a better flounce if people hadn’t already called sebti’s comment off-side.
I notice Steely isn’t interested in how it can be wrong for me to use my value system to override his value system if all value systems are made up in the first place.
I’m assuming the troll with have failed to stick the flounce by the time I finished typing this.
Meh, 2/10. That was all kinds of weak.
Count me in.
I don’t understand why MRAs and libertarians are so obsessed with their own DNA/liquid gold/precious unobtanium-infused snowflake genetic material. The idea that it’s all a big competition to pass on your genes, and that children have no other intrinsic value, is not only sad and emotionally stunted, it’s biologically foolish.
First, there’s no guarantee your children will reproduce. A lot can happen along the way. They may not live to adulthood. They may decide they don’t want children. They may be infertile. They may not find someone they want to have children with. If they don’t reproduce, then, in a Darwinian sense, you might as well never have had them. Are you going to get mad at your children for stealing your resources and wasting your investment if they remain childless? Because it sure doesn’t sound like you’re planning to get anything else out of parenthood. Parenthood requires a ton of sacrifice, empathy, positive modeling, and unselfishness, none of which is in evidence in anything you’ve posted. I can just imagine you choking on the word “share” the first time your toddler has a playdate.
Second, you’re way overestimating the strength of your genes, and forgetting that other people’s contributions will be crowding yours out. Within a few generations, your genes will be so diluted as to have all but disappeared. There’s a lot of 50/50 gates that your genes won’t make it through (and in what sense are they “yours”, anyway?) Epigenetics and environmental factors also affect which genes get switched on or off.
It’s all a crapshoot. As the T-shirt says, “We share 60% of our DNA with bananas. Get over yourself.”
bs, you are a fool and liar, but you you are correct that you do not deserve to be sexually shamed. I’m sorry that happened. This is the first time I’ve seen Sebhai in the comments here and if he can’t keep to the tos, it may well be the last time.
But, yeah, the rest of the bullshit you’ve swallowed and regurgitated here is dull as dishwater as well as untrue. You should be done here now since you have nothing to say that is factual and do not want to learn anything that is.
Excuse me? Feminists not only advocate paternity fraud, but prison rape?
Yeah, no.
Also, I don’t suppose you noticed the other commenters calling out sebhai for that remark.
For what it’s worth, it appears that you can get a paternity test in France legally if you have a court order. Secret paternity testing is banned. Also, this appears to be due to psychologists stating fatherhood is determined by sociology and not biology. No idea whether said psychologists were/are either women or feminists.
“Well, thank you for totally not sexually shaming me (because feminists don’t do that, of course) and for your tolerance.”
Oh no feminist don’t,
BUT I DO and no I don’t claim to represent all feminists here
Did you read some of the feminists posting here??!!
They actually feel offended,so you cannot accuse them of supporting me insulting you!!!
So can you still claim THAT FEMINIST SUPPORT PATERNITY FRAUD??!!
Bitter certainly has a vivid fantasy life and libertarian martyr complex.
Bye, bittersteel! Good luck on your quest! Say hi to Dagny and Francisco for us!
Sebhai, seriously. Sex-based shaming on a blog post calling out MRAs for sex-based shaming is ridiculous and wrong.
I am new here still, too, but damn. Can we not let this happen again, ever?
Reminded me of this.
sebhai: Seriously, this is not cool.
“I came here to learn about you guys and to have a discussion, and I have learned all that i need to know about what you are really like.”
No you don’t!
You came here to accuse these women,that’s not a discussion that’s an attack!!
You’re done with me.. but not with these women.You still can’t prove that feminist assocaition with paternity fraud even when these women already refuted you still refuse to take it!!
What more can we do?!
You know you’re more than welcome to come back.I like to see what point you presenting next…
It’s like arguing a child who thinks a coyote it’s a dog,evne when we said it’s actually a coyote he still insist it’s a dog..
Maybe it’s misandric libertarian-shaming to say this, but I don’t believe you. Even if this happened, your inability to separate it from the ideas of actual feminists / people who genuinely exist renders it statistically irrelevant because your credibility is so low that it’s about to come out the other side of the planet.
Holy shit–none of this matters because of the Heat Death of the Universe?
This guy is having a serious breakdown right here, right now. This is no laughing matter. This is a seriously disturbed person. I wouldn’t bother arguing with him. His vantage point is so skewed and crazy that he is probably not really functional in the real world.
“And I will work hard in my life and I will make a lot of money so that I can enjoy it instead of paying child support for a kid that isn’t even mine.”
Trust me no woman would come forward to you…
sebhai, did you really just double-down on the shaming? THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Even if you’re trying to make some greater point, it is NOT okay.
Skye: “Negative rights” oblige inaction on the part of others, “Positive rights” oblige action.
For example, free speech is a negative right in that government should not restrict it. Freedom from violence is a negative right, as other people shouldn’t hit you.
Clean water and healthcare, on the other hand, would be a positive right, since if you do not have it, someone else would need to provide it.
That said, trying to divide the two for the purpose of saying positive rights are politically invalid is ridiculous, especially since most of the basic human needs (food, clean water, healthcare, shelter and clothing) would be considered positive rights, while only the freedom from violence would be a negative right. The right to clean air would also likely be a negative right, but somehow “The right to empty my smokestack ends where your lungs begin” hasn’t really caught on with most libertarians.
bs came looking for his “Feminists were mean to me!’ merit badge and that’s fine. I’m happy to give him one. How sebhai’s shitty comment represented the rest of us, I don’t know. Unless he just wanted his bias confirmed.