Let’s say that you’re the “Managing Editor” of a website known far and wide for calling women “whores,” as well as an assortment of other 4- and 5-letter words generally considered crude sexist slurs. Let’s just say that you had a convention, and that during this convention your official spokeswoman went on a bit of a name calling rampage on Twitter, repeatedly attacking a woman who had tried to report on said convention as an “attention whore,” a “fame whore,” and a “little whore,” and offering similar “whore”-based assessments to other critics of the site.
And let’s just say that despite all this you also had a desire to convince the world that your site was not actually the misogynistic cesspit that it so obviously is. Would you:
1) Apologize for using the words “whore” and “bitch” and “c*nt” and other similar sexist epithets against women.
2) In your capacity as editor, quietly remove the word “whore” (and “bitch” and “c*nt”) from future postings on the site, and tell your PR maven to maybe come up with a less misogynistic insult of choice.
3) Start calling men whores so that no one can accuse you of hating women because, see we use “whore” to refer to men too!
The answer, of course, is 3 — at least if you’re Dean Esmay, “Managing Editor” of A Voice for Men. In a recent comment thread on AVFM, he declared:
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CONFIDENTIAL TO D— E—-: No one is buying your bullshit. Also, if you want to try to convince the world that you’re a Friend of Sex Workers, you should probably stop using the word “whore” as an insult for women or men.
You’re, like, 14 years old, right?
@bittersteel
It was clear as to what they were actually talking about when they spoke about humans having value. You’re assuming that they were presupposing a notion of objective value (which could have been the case but you don’t have any way of knowing), yet all they were doing was expressing a moral view.
“I don’t understand staying in that relationship but not wanting to raise a child as the result of that encounter because they aren’t biologically related.”
Well,but I doubt most man would want stay with their wife knowing they had cheated,if I cheated on my husband,I won’t force him to stay or to support me and the non-biological children,but where exactly he gets the idea that feminism push him to support the child?
That’s my question,I imagine if we’re live in a middle ages and feminism already exist,these people probably said feminism encourage witchcraft and we bewitched men…
Ahem.
“So why should we care about paternity fraud anyway if selfishness is a virtue? Aren’t those awful feminazis, or whoever is committing the alleged fraud, just being awesome selfish people who are totally owning at life by milking some other poor sap for all he’s worth”
No. Because as I stated, I support selfishness as long as it is tempered by not violating the rights of others. Using the government to steal from someone and forcing him to take care of you and your alpha thug spawn violates the rights to liberty and property.
You do know that a huge number of feminists are trans women, right? We know that feminism has a history of being transphobic, but that doesn’t mean that all feminists hate us or that all feminist theory is transphobic.
“Feminists hate trans women by the way. Here’s an article about how feminists bullied a trans woman who wanted to join their community until she committed suicide:”
That’s odd,I never bullied any trans woman and I believe there is trans woman here?
So if Paul Elam keep calling women cunts,whores and stuff,should we believe you do the same thing?
“Assuming this is true,
(1) paternity fraud doesn’t matter”
Not objectively, I suppose. But then neither does oppression of women either, right?
“(2)it means humans are free to develop their own value systems.
So the point you’re making is … ?”
You don’t have the right to use your value system to superceded mine. You make your value system where cuckolding is awesome and you plan how to cuckold beta men so that you can live in your feminist utopia. And I’ll make mine. and you can’t interfere with mine. You are free to believe whatever you want but you are not free to impose your belief on me.
If all values are arbitrary, how is supporting selfishness any less arbitrary?
Also, seriously, stop using the word thug. It’s essentially a slur at this point.
“Using the government to steal from someone and forcing him to take care of you and your alpha thug spawn violates the rights to liberty and property.”
Do you know any feminist who did that?
“So if Paul Elam keep calling women cunts,whores and stuff,should we believe you do the same thing?”
Ok, good point. I concede this here. But you haven’t told me that feminists actually care about trans women beyond appropriating their struggle for the cash especially since their actions show otherwise.
Are we all set for flavored water and scented fucking candles? ‘Cause I can pick up some, no problem, since I have to get the lunch meat anyway.
Well, that’s me out of the game.
Also, what’s spermjacking? I have no idea what you are referring to when you say that.
Except you came into an explicitly feminist space and have been attempting to do the same this entire time.
you obviously haven’t been reading my comments very carefully.
But a trans woman is a woman.
Having a uterus or not doesn’t determine whether a person is a woman.
Why yes, some feminists are transmisogynists. We don’t agree with them here. I, personally, find them despicable, and I think a lot of feminists here do, too.
And a lot of feminists outside if this site don’t support transmisogyny, either.
Hmm. It’s almost as if feminism isn’t a monolithic hive-mind but a diverse and evolving socio-political philosophy.
“Also, seriously, stop using the word thug. It’s essentially a slur at this point.”
It’s not a racial slur. There are thugs of all races. It refers to a type of person who engages in destructive and criminal behavior and is admired by the whole world for being a “badass” who destroys peoples’ lives. An example would be Ted Bundy. Another example is Jeremy Meeks.
“Except you came into an explicitly feminist space and have been attempting to do the same this entire time.”
Having a discussion with you isn’t imposing my values on you. It’s challenging the despicable things you believe in that make me cry a lot. Using government violence to impose your beliefs and worldview on me is, however, imposition.
…There are literally whole fucking bodies of feminist theory developed by trans women.
“You make your value system where cuckolding is awesome and you plan how to cuckold beta men so that you can live in your feminist utopia. And I’ll make mine. and you can’t interfere with mine. You are free to believe whatever you want but you are not free to impose your belief on me.”
Which feminist utopia are we talking about?
Are you refering to the mosuo or the minang?
Because that’s some feminist from the west have been describing it,no marriages,no concept of monogamy,no exchange of property,and no funding from the men for the women to care for their children,no violence,rape,robbery.Hey everyone happy…
Don’t worry no paternity fraud happens here…
@Bittersweet
Did you just call a link to a reddit TIL thread based on a AVfM post “an article”? Ha ha, you did, you master debater.
“You do know that a huge number of feminists are trans women, right? We know that feminism has a history of being transphobic, but that doesn’t mean that all feminists hate us or that all feminist theory is transphobic.”
Yes, I know that feminism has done a good job of tricking people and exploiting them. Just like it does to POC every day for the sake of affluent white women.
Wrong.
My feminist utopia will occur in about 7 years if all goes according to plan, when I can afford to upgrade my living space and buy a longarm, computerized quilting machine. There will be no cuckolding, and certainly no ill substantiated belief that “alpha” or “beta” are naturally occuring phenomenon that humans fit into. How about you find a hobby (or two or three) to obsess over and make your utopia about that instead of making it a distopia that is more about being against monsters of your own imagining.
“Also, what’s spermjacking? I have no idea what you are referring to when you say that.”
I guess you really didn’t spend a lot of time in the menosphere,yet you still comes here to explain to us what feminism really is..
@blockquote
Are you using a random libertarian sentence generator? Don’t cry though, I hate it when you cry.