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AVFM's Paul Elam posts attack on the Doubletree Fort Shelby Hotel, suggests that the alleged threats to the hotel were phony

The fur and accusations are flying!
The fur and accusations are flying!

A Voice for Men’s grandly titled First International Conference on Men’s Issues wound down a week ago. But the drama continues.

Today, in a post on AVFM, maximum leader Paul Elam set forth a series of accusations against the Doubletree Fort Shelby Hotel (where the conference was originally going to be held); against an unnamed security contracting company in Houston; and even against some hypothetical “privileged little college girls” who might have had the conference booted from the Doubletree by simply making a couple of irate phone calls, because, at least in Elam’s imagination, “privileged little college girls” have that power.

But the bulk of Elam’s complaints lie with the Doubletree, as the typically understated title of his post makes clear:

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While acknowledging that “ there are still some questions that remain unanswered” (a bit of an understatement, that), Elam spells out what he thinks – or what he wants us to think that he thinks – happened. He presents what he calls “ the two most likely scenarios based on what evidence we have.”

In the first scenario, the Doubletree got actual threats and handled them very, very badly:

One is that the Hilton got serious and “escalating” death threats against their employees, guests, ICMI speakers and attendees, prompting them to go into emergency mode and invoke the security clause of our contract with them. Their demands forced us to raise tens of thousands of additional dollars to literally blanket the event with Detroit Police, just to make sure no one wound up dead.

I believe by “literally” Mr. Elam actually means “figuratively,” but let’s continue:

That would be the same police that they had not even bothered to call at that point. It is the same police that did not even know about any supposed threats when we called them to inquire; the same police which Doubletree used to attempt to shake us down, but neglected to even call till after they engaged in an attempt to force us to spend our way out of having our conference.

The second scenario is the one involving “college girls.”

The other possible scenario is that what Doubletree Downtown Hilton got was a couple of irate phone calls from privileged little college girls who don’t want men and women to talk without their permission, and, with the help of a sympathetic general manager in the middle of labor problems with the hotel’s union, decided to use those decidedly nonthreatening contacts to breach their contract with us and keep protesters away from their hotel.

Either possibility leaves Doubletree Downtown Hilton Detroit looking scummy, and for damned good reasons.

Elam also insinuates that the Doubletree sabotaged his good-faith efforts to hire Detroit police to provide security for the conference. For some unknown reason this involved “a contract company that happened to be located in the Houston area.” Elam writes:

We finally did locate the company we had to do business with, and a very nice lady there was preparing a quote for us, when lo and behold, in the middle of that process, she informed us that her boss had instructed her not to do business with us. Yes, we have that on a recorded phone call, which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles on our dealings with the Doubletree Downtown Hilton in Detroit, Michigan.

So, as it turns out, while in the middle of meeting the security demands of Hilton, someone stepped in to sabotage that, making it literally impossible for us to comply, giving Hilton the excuse to pull the plug.

Gee, wonder who was behind that?

Elam has decided to break an agreement he had with the Doubletree and to go ahead and post what he says are two letters he received from them, and a letter from his lawyer to the Doubletree. One of these letters is the original letter that AVFM posted about the alleged threats. Only now the name of the Doubletree letter-writer has been un-redacted.

Happily for Elam and his fans, the Doubletree staffer who wrote the letter is a woman. AVFM does prefer its villains to be female.

In the comments, longtime AVFM fan AndyBob writes sneeringly of this new woman to hate (I’ve redacted her name):

[Name redacted] may have even enjoyed her role in undermining the patriarchy and taking it to the cleaners. I’ve never encountered a feminist who doesn’t fantasize about playing a role in accomplishing this goal. Thanks to Paul Elam’s steely resolve, it is very likely that we are going to find out if [name redacted]  is one of them.

I suspect that [name redacted] had better start packing for her sideways promotion to a Doubletree branch located in some far-flung hell-hole. Bon Voyage, [name redacted], it was an experience doing business with you.

Dr Elam, please keep doing what you’re doing in exactly the same way you’ve always done it – the survival of the MHRM depends on it.

Note: Dr. Elam is not a doctor.

I checked to see if anyone in the comments was calling [name redacted] a “whore,” but much to my surprise the only reference to whores came in a comment from Dean Esmay, directed at MSNBC’s Adam Serwer (not a woman).

Yes, we’ll be doing a profile piece on ideological whore Adam Serwer, whose behavior at the conference was so unprofessional, rage-filled, and contemptuous of all the women and men present that even other journalists who were there remarked upon it. The contemptible liar and whore Adam Serwer was an embarrassment even to his fellow reporters. One of the questions we expect him not to answer in our followup emails to him and his corporate managerses will be how much money he was paid to spit venom at the conference attendees while pretending to act like a reporter, and whether being a paid whore instead of a real journalist is something he enjoys. Look for more on him soon. He and two other whores who pretended to be journalists will also be receiving special coverage.

I think we can expect a lot more drama to come.

A couple of points:

First, if Elam’s account of AVFM’s dealings with the Doubletree is accurate, this means that his previous claim that AVFM moved the conference to the VFW simply because it had larger facilities was bullshit. But we already knew that, given all those empty chairs we saw in so many of the photos of AVFM’s conference. The letter from AVFM’s lawyer alleges that the Doubletree misrepresented the seating capacity of its event space, but it’s clearly a secondary concern.

Second, and a bit more important: It’s clear from the letter sent by AVFM’s lawyer that Elam didn’t believe the hotel had gotten credible threats. Indeed, the letter states that:

Mr. Elam and AVfM believe that the Hotel has simply decided that it does not want to host the Event and manufactured a reason not to.

That’s not what they were saying publicly at the time.

So evidently, AVFM’s dramatic posturing about threats from feminists was little more than an act. Nonetheless, AVFMers tried to pin the blame for the alleged threats their lawyer described as “manufactured security issues” on a real Detroit schoolteacher.

AVFM also seems to have reported threats to the Detroit Police, at least two. But we have no idea how credible they were. Were I a cynic I might find myself wondering if they reported these threats to the police just so that the police would finally be able to tell journalists that there had been threats, thus buttressing AVFM’s persecution narrative.

As for the threats AVFMers claim were made against the VFW, well, we should note that one of the St. Clair Shores officers working security for the event told AnimalNewYork that no specific threats had been made.

Among the questions that remain unanswered: what happened to all that money AVFM raised for security they didn’t need? Did they somehow manage to spend it all hiring a few St. Claire Shores cops? Or did they end up with a surplus? If the latter, why did AVFM need to launch a second fundraiser only a few days after the conference’s end? How much money does Elam need, anyway?

Why are [name redacted’s] signatures on the two documents AVFM has posted completely different from one another?

Also, is Esmay retiring “hatemongering bigot” as his epithet of choice in favor of “whore?” I thought that calling people whores was Janet Bloomfield’s job?

Questions, questions, so many questions.

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kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

See, there were still a few dry granules of litter, scattered across the huge mountain of wet litter -) and they all tried to get in there at the same time, little shits that they are.

I’m telling Mum this to remind her we have it easy these days! 😀

Agent Orange (@AgentOrangeMRA)

David, not trying to be an asshole here like I usually am. There were five armed security officers on the premises from Thurs thru to the end to the conference. We’re talking armed with guns here, not just nightsticks or mace. Going costs for bonded officers is pretty damned high. Just because the location was switched does not mean that money did not go towards security as was promised.

In fact, it did. When you are bringing in a prominent politician to such a private event, its a really good idea to have some kind of armed security service.

pecunium
10 years ago

He Woody: Wanta explain what Elam is gonna do with your money:

The Detroit protesters did win one battle in the sense that they imposed a great deal of inconvenience on participants (constant shuttling between motels and the venue), not to mention $10,000 for a police presence that wasn’t necessary, since the protesters’ objectives of causing financial and logistical hardship had already been achieved

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

Commercials have nothing to do with the product or company anymore. 😀

Falconer
10 years ago

Paranoid,,rage filled, untruthful, bullying, greedy, misogynist. Why Mr Elam, I can’t say a nice word about you

He … is very efficient at turning oxygen into carbon dioxide, so at least all his plants are healthy?

Falconer
10 years ago

Hooray for poop. Poop is more interesting than Woody.

Hooray for baby poop. Hooray for baby poop going back to the color it’s supposed to be, meaning that the discoloration was just from the strawberry ice cream we fed them on Friday.

pecunium
10 years ago

Yay for strawberry ice cream.

Falconer
10 years ago

Or possibly watermelon. They have hollow legs explicitly for storing away watermelon.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Strawberry coloured baby poop? Wow.

bluecatbabe
bluecatbabe
10 years ago

My niece’s first artwork after the arrival of her younger sister was called “New Baby Bad Poo”.

Apparently neonate poop is quite remarkable so it’s good it was immortalised by a 4 year old artist.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
10 years ago

And now sounds like it’s time for the Arrogant Worms ‘Baby Poo’ song…

The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
10 years ago

@The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule

“Here is where JudgyBitch began trolling us.”

I went and commented:

“OK I read a few of Janet Judgy Witch Broomwielders (apologies to good witches reading this) comments, like two, and just couldn’t anymore.
She was probably sloshed while writing them and that’s why they are so clusterf*cked. She openly discusses her alcohol addiction on her blog. Every day when the hubby’s at work and kids are at school, Mom is kickin’ back her heels and throwin’ ‘em back, one after the other.
There’s a time of day when she’s noticebly drunk, you can tell by how her writing “evolves” (or devolves) on her blog. It peaks shortly before everyone returns home.

Ahhhh, these Manosphere Ladies’ Auxilery Stay at Home Moms are really industrious, hardworking “home makers”, aren’t they?
I envy their husbands. Such quality wives they’ve landed. Lucky bastards.”

– What’s worrisome though is the effortless ease at which she will “dox” and accuse a complete stranger (the school teacher) of committing a serious crime. Death threats are a felony, aren’t they? I mean, she’s putting one person’s entire life, and likely more than one (family), at serious risk here.

Why the hell would she do something like that?

What’s the gain in it for the MHRM to accuse strangers of crimes against them? I hope this backfires in a major way. She’s a bully of the worst kind.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I am very glad that it was only the strawberry ice cream, and that the oddly colored poop is now a thing of the past.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
10 years ago

In other words, Elam admits that the death threats were fakity fake fake, but it trying to claim that someone else faked them.

Sometimes I wonder if he’s just a really committed performance artist, trying to see how much bullshit he can get people to believe. I mean, he’s contradicting himself and claiming that we have always been at war with Eastasia The Doubletree and people are still falling for it.

It’s all an elaborate performance piece on the use of propaganda, right? Please?

in the middle of that process, she informed us that her boss had instructed her not to do business with us. Yes, we have that on a recorded phone call, which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles on our dealings with the Doubletree Downtown Hilton in Detroit, Michigan.

Assuming he ever does post it, I’m sure it’ll be as authentic as the original letter.

And nice use of repetition there. It’s like he’s afraid his goons will forget the name of their target if he doesn’t repeat it.

One of the questions we expect him not to answer in our followup emails to him and his corporate managerses will be how much money he was paid to spit venom at the conference attendees while pretending to act like a reporter

And when he doesn’t answer, it’ll be because he’s been caught being a w*ore, not because that’s a bloody ridiculous question.

Ever notice how that’s the only response some cranks have, though? If you write something critical of their ideology, it must be because feminists/Monsanto/Big Pharma/the lamestream media paid you to. Mere difference of opinion doesn’t exist to some people – you’re either with us, or you’re part of the conspiracy.

I doubt it’s a coincidence that their favourite scapegoats are young people who, generally speaking, have very little money and very little political power.

They also like to single out women they can accuse of having privilege (correctly, in the case of college attendance) because comparing themselves to less privileged women undermines their whole ideology.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Paul Elam now appears to be having some kind of poetry meltdown in response to a reddit troll:

LOL! Are you trying to be a poetic therapist? If so you suck at both.
Listen to you, seething on the surface
In the fading quick, your rest, dormant
A greasy potato on the floor of shame’s kitchen
Your sole legacy a gutter full of digital dirt
A wish for relevance never to happen
Adrift in a sea of failed ambitions
Hacking away at anything that reminds you
Of what you are not, and will never be.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
10 years ago

Eep! Let’s see if I can fix the tags:

In other words, Elam admits that the death threats were fakity fake fake, but it trying to claim that someone else faked them.

Sometimes I wonder if he’s just a really committed performance artist, trying to see how much bullshit he can get people to believe. I mean, he’s contradicting himself and claiming that we have always been at war with Eastasia The Doubletree and people are still falling for it.

It’s all an elaborate performance piece on the use of propaganda, right? Please?

in the middle of that process, she informed us that her boss had instructed her not to do business with us. Yes, we have that on a recorded phone call, which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles on our dealings with the Doubletree Downtown Hilton in Detroit, Michigan.

Assuming he ever does post it, I’m sure it’ll be as authentic as the original letter.

And nice use of repetition there. It’s like he’s afraid his goons will forget the name of their target if he doesn’t repeat it.

One of the questions we expect him not to answer in our followup emails to him and his corporate managerses will be how much money he was paid to spit venom at the conference attendees while pretending to act like a reporter

And when he doesn’t answer, it’ll be because he’s been caught being a w*ore, not because that’s a bloody ridiculous question.

Ever notice how that’s the only response some cranks have, though? If you write something critical of their ideology, it must be because feminists/Monsanto/Big Pharma/the lamestream media paid you to. Mere difference of opinion doesn’t exist to some people – you’re either with us, or you’re part of the conspiracy.

I doubt it’s a coincidence that their favourite scapegoats are young people who, generally speaking, have very little money and very little political power.

They also like to single out women they can accuse of having privilege (correctly, in the case of college attendance) because comparing themselves to less privileged women undermines their whole ideology.

Falconer
10 years ago

Apparently neonate poop is quite remarkable so it’s good it was immortalised by a 4 year old artist.

Well, it’s not poo in the traditional sense, it’s dead cells and shed lining from the intestines.

But it is blacker than the night sky and stickier than tar.

@cloudiah: Yeah, it’s a big relief! It was an alarming color.

@jenora feuer: Those wee babies are a delight. Their metabolic waste product, not so much.

Ally S
10 years ago

poo in the traditional sense

What a phrase.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

a greasy potato on the floor of shame’s kitchen

Why does Paul Elam think he can write?

booburry
10 years ago

Have any of you ever listened to The Majority Report? Its a liberal news opinion type show …I watch it on youtube but I think it airs on the radio. Its hosted by Sam Seder mostly but he has fill ins (like in this video). I saw recently they started covering the conference which pleased me because all the other lib leaning shows I watch or listen to didn’t cover it at all. Anyway, now someone from AVFM challenged this kid on the show to a debate and I thought maybe someone here would be interested. There are also other videos on their channel just taking about the conference…and one decent one where he tries to explain why feminists and MRAs are not to sides of the same coin.

I apologize if this is too off topic!

Falconer
10 years ago

@Ally S:

What a phrase.

Thank you!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

Re: baby poo, I had to make a very embarrassing request at daycare last summer to keep an eye out for a plastic John Lennon wig in the twins’ poo. (They had been playing with some K’Nex Yellow Submarine figurines, when suddenly I noticed Lennon was bald, and the wig was nowhere, man.)

After a week of horrible diaper excavations and awkward conversations with increasingly stone-faced daycare providers, the Lennon wig eventually turned up behind the bookcase.

Nitram
10 years ago

Kiki

“I love the bit about her being demoted to a Doubletree in ‘some far-flung hell-hole’.

(Cheesy Bond movie Russian accent) “Perhaps you will be a little more – shall we say, accommodating? – in new job at Doubletree Hotel in… SIBERIA!””

I so lol’d at this! I thought the same thing! We do not live in a world where employees that screw up get transfered to a hellhole. Like the end of 9-5 with Dolly Parton? Further evidence that these guys are not in reality.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

@booburry

Matt Binder’s response!

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

DOH! I just repeated what you posted. I thought it was the original video.

Anyway, I look forward to it but if it goes the way the David vs. Paul “debate” went, it could be a train wreck. At least they’ll be on Matt’s turf.