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AVFM's Paul Elam posts attack on the Doubletree Fort Shelby Hotel, suggests that the alleged threats to the hotel were phony

The fur and accusations are flying!
The fur and accusations are flying!

A Voice for Men’s grandly titled First International Conference on Men’s Issues wound down a week ago. But the drama continues.

Today, in a post on AVFM, maximum leader Paul Elam set forth a series of accusations against the Doubletree Fort Shelby Hotel (where the conference was originally going to be held); against an unnamed security contracting company in Houston; and even against some hypothetical “privileged little college girls” who might have had the conference booted from the Doubletree by simply making a couple of irate phone calls, because, at least in Elam’s imagination, “privileged little college girls” have that power.

But the bulk of Elam’s complaints lie with the Doubletree, as the typically understated title of his post makes clear:

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While acknowledging that “ there are still some questions that remain unanswered” (a bit of an understatement, that), Elam spells out what he thinks – or what he wants us to think that he thinks – happened. He presents what he calls “ the two most likely scenarios based on what evidence we have.”

In the first scenario, the Doubletree got actual threats and handled them very, very badly:

One is that the Hilton got serious and “escalating” death threats against their employees, guests, ICMI speakers and attendees, prompting them to go into emergency mode and invoke the security clause of our contract with them. Their demands forced us to raise tens of thousands of additional dollars to literally blanket the event with Detroit Police, just to make sure no one wound up dead.

I believe by “literally” Mr. Elam actually means “figuratively,” but let’s continue:

That would be the same police that they had not even bothered to call at that point. It is the same police that did not even know about any supposed threats when we called them to inquire; the same police which Doubletree used to attempt to shake us down, but neglected to even call till after they engaged in an attempt to force us to spend our way out of having our conference.

The second scenario is the one involving “college girls.”

The other possible scenario is that what Doubletree Downtown Hilton got was a couple of irate phone calls from privileged little college girls who don’t want men and women to talk without their permission, and, with the help of a sympathetic general manager in the middle of labor problems with the hotel’s union, decided to use those decidedly nonthreatening contacts to breach their contract with us and keep protesters away from their hotel.

Either possibility leaves Doubletree Downtown Hilton Detroit looking scummy, and for damned good reasons.

Elam also insinuates that the Doubletree sabotaged his good-faith efforts to hire Detroit police to provide security for the conference. For some unknown reason this involved “a contract company that happened to be located in the Houston area.” Elam writes:

We finally did locate the company we had to do business with, and a very nice lady there was preparing a quote for us, when lo and behold, in the middle of that process, she informed us that her boss had instructed her not to do business with us. Yes, we have that on a recorded phone call, which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles on our dealings with the Doubletree Downtown Hilton in Detroit, Michigan.

So, as it turns out, while in the middle of meeting the security demands of Hilton, someone stepped in to sabotage that, making it literally impossible for us to comply, giving Hilton the excuse to pull the plug.

Gee, wonder who was behind that?

Elam has decided to break an agreement he had with the Doubletree and to go ahead and post what he says are two letters he received from them, and a letter from his lawyer to the Doubletree. One of these letters is the original letter that AVFM posted about the alleged threats. Only now the name of the Doubletree letter-writer has been un-redacted.

Happily for Elam and his fans, the Doubletree staffer who wrote the letter is a woman. AVFM does prefer its villains to be female.

In the comments, longtime AVFM fan AndyBob writes sneeringly of this new woman to hate (I’ve redacted her name):

[Name redacted] may have even enjoyed her role in undermining the patriarchy and taking it to the cleaners. I’ve never encountered a feminist who doesn’t fantasize about playing a role in accomplishing this goal. Thanks to Paul Elam’s steely resolve, it is very likely that we are going to find out if [name redacted]  is one of them.

I suspect that [name redacted] had better start packing for her sideways promotion to a Doubletree branch located in some far-flung hell-hole. Bon Voyage, [name redacted], it was an experience doing business with you.

Dr Elam, please keep doing what you’re doing in exactly the same way you’ve always done it – the survival of the MHRM depends on it.

Note: Dr. Elam is not a doctor.

I checked to see if anyone in the comments was calling [name redacted] a “whore,” but much to my surprise the only reference to whores came in a comment from Dean Esmay, directed at MSNBC’s Adam Serwer (not a woman).

Yes, we’ll be doing a profile piece on ideological whore Adam Serwer, whose behavior at the conference was so unprofessional, rage-filled, and contemptuous of all the women and men present that even other journalists who were there remarked upon it. The contemptible liar and whore Adam Serwer was an embarrassment even to his fellow reporters. One of the questions we expect him not to answer in our followup emails to him and his corporate managerses will be how much money he was paid to spit venom at the conference attendees while pretending to act like a reporter, and whether being a paid whore instead of a real journalist is something he enjoys. Look for more on him soon. He and two other whores who pretended to be journalists will also be receiving special coverage.

I think we can expect a lot more drama to come.

A couple of points:

First, if Elam’s account of AVFM’s dealings with the Doubletree is accurate, this means that his previous claim that AVFM moved the conference to the VFW simply because it had larger facilities was bullshit. But we already knew that, given all those empty chairs we saw in so many of the photos of AVFM’s conference. The letter from AVFM’s lawyer alleges that the Doubletree misrepresented the seating capacity of its event space, but it’s clearly a secondary concern.

Second, and a bit more important: It’s clear from the letter sent by AVFM’s lawyer that Elam didn’t believe the hotel had gotten credible threats. Indeed, the letter states that:

Mr. Elam and AVfM believe that the Hotel has simply decided that it does not want to host the Event and manufactured a reason not to.

That’s not what they were saying publicly at the time.

So evidently, AVFM’s dramatic posturing about threats from feminists was little more than an act. Nonetheless, AVFMers tried to pin the blame for the alleged threats their lawyer described as “manufactured security issues” on a real Detroit schoolteacher.

AVFM also seems to have reported threats to the Detroit Police, at least two. But we have no idea how credible they were. Were I a cynic I might find myself wondering if they reported these threats to the police just so that the police would finally be able to tell journalists that there had been threats, thus buttressing AVFM’s persecution narrative.

As for the threats AVFMers claim were made against the VFW, well, we should note that one of the St. Clair Shores officers working security for the event told AnimalNewYork that no specific threats had been made.

Among the questions that remain unanswered: what happened to all that money AVFM raised for security they didn’t need? Did they somehow manage to spend it all hiring a few St. Claire Shores cops? Or did they end up with a surplus? If the latter, why did AVFM need to launch a second fundraiser only a few days after the conference’s end? How much money does Elam need, anyway?

Why are [name redacted’s] signatures on the two documents AVFM has posted completely different from one another?

Also, is Esmay retiring “hatemongering bigot” as his epithet of choice in favor of “whore?” I thought that calling people whores was Janet Bloomfield’s job?

Questions, questions, so many questions.

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damselindetech
10 years ago

You’re going to look like a real ass when all these sinister “questions” turn out to have perfectly reasonable answers.

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw%5D

damselindetech
10 years ago

*sigh* Well, I’ve got the block quotes down. I guess I should be thankful for that much.

sockfiddler
10 years ago

I tried to be an ideological whore once, but all the institutions I ended up visiting insisted that I should give THEM money.

I know I’m new to this gig, but I’m pretty sure that’s the wrong way round.

The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
10 years ago

I find this hard to believe, “40% of rapists are female.”

From: http://poisonedwell.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/40-of-rapists-are-women/

In which country?!?!

khymchanur
khymchanur
10 years ago

We finally did locate the company we had to do business with,

Wait, there was only one company they could use? Did hotels ever make a policy that where all extra security has to be provided by a particular company?

The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
10 years ago

“It makes JudgyBitch’s melodramatic performance in here look even more ludicrous.”

Maybe Elam and her were in cahoots on the scam. Maybe he promised to give her a cut of all the money raised from his false claims. Ha! Isn’t he always going on about “false rape claims”? Its becoming clearer now why he thinks that the majority of rapes are false claims. He’s projecting.

“(Did you see that?)”

No, where is it?

It makes JudgyBitch’s melodramatic performance in here look even more ludicrous. (Did you see that?)

“Not a coincidence at all. They go after women they think they can indtimidate, especially young women they think need to be “taken down a peg or two.” They think like abusers.”

I highly doubt “young college women” or “little college girls” as Elam described, even knew anything about it and why would they care if a bunch of tired old geezers (and their wives like J. Bloomfield) got together and kvetched?

These guys really live in a self-important and delusional bubble-world if they think college women give two flying frogs about their asses.

damselindetech
10 years ago

I find this hard to believe, “40% of rapists are female.”

From: http://poisonedwell.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/40-of-rapists-are-women/

In which country?!?!

I read it and the numbers aren’t well substantiated. There is definitively a lot more specific research that needs to be done.

I have no issue with someone bringing up female perpetrators if the intention is to work on how do we start creating messaging and programming to support survivors of female perpetrators and talk about women’s responsibilities to respect the consent of their partners. If it’s being brought up to dismiss ALL sexual violence, then I will wish the person into the cornfield.

The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule
10 years ago

Yeah, I clicked on an article over there entitled “Less Than 20 Living Women Have Been Raped” and then I saw that Mammoth and him had a back and forth – last year.

I’m late to the game!

Alex
10 years ago

I just want to say I’m rather fond of the running gag:

Woody: waves pom poms for AVfM.

Mammotheer: Shut up, Woody.

It amuses me.

Also, @Sir Bodworth, that was great! I’m a huge fan of puns, and that made me giggle like an idiot.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

@The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule

Here is where JudgyBitch began trolling us.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

I love those little emoticons with pigtails and pompoms that cheer. That’s what I see every time Woody types anything ever.

Also, I pooped today.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Hooray for poop. Poop is more interesting than Woody. Buy seriously, knowing your IBS symptoms from what you posted, I am happy you pooped. 🙂

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

I too am happy I pooped.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Also more interesting than Woody, if less interesting than a lot of things: I didn’t wake up till 10.30 and then slept another two hours in the middle of the day. Stupid periods!

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Oh, and Maddie wants everyone to know she got first go at the fresh kitty litter.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Hooray for cat poop too (no, not really, that stuff *stinks*).

Anonymouslazycat
Anonymouslazycat
10 years ago

I volunteer at an animal shelter, and the cats there always want to use a box right after it’s been cleaned. Or, sometimes, *while* it’s being cleaned. I shoo them away to a different box whenever that happens.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Anonymouslazycat is a true cat herder! 🙂

schwadevivre
schwadevivre
10 years ago

I wonder when, like any reputable conference should, Mr Elam will publish the accounts? I’m not holding my breath.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Which reminds me of one of my favourite ads, and there is a higher quality video up on YouTube now:

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Hooray for cat poop too (no, not really, that stuff *stinks*).

Truth. Especially Fribbie’s.

Anonymouslazycat – ours do that! “I neeeed to go NOW, hurry up hurry up” – when they could have gone before.

pallygirl, I love, love that ad. Always makes me laugh.

kiki
kiki
10 years ago

I love the bit about her being demoted to a Doubletree in ‘some far-flung hell-hole’.

(Cheesy Bond movie Russian accent) “Perhaps you will be a little more – shall we say, accommodating? – in new job at Doubletree Hotel in… SIBERIA!”

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Now I have Dr Evil in my head. And a vision of the MRAs giggling in a juvenile fashion whenever someone mentions “Number Two”.

Ledasmom
Ledasmom
10 years ago

I volunteer at an animal shelter, and the cats there always want to use a box right after it’s been cleaned. Or, sometimes, *while* it’s being cleaned. I shoo them away to a different box whenever that happens.

We have five kittens at work currently; I cleaned their box (technically it was not completely used. See, there were still a few dry granules of litter, scattered across the huge mountain of wet litter -) and they all tried to get in there at the same time, little shits that they are.
Imagine calling the Doubletree in Furthest North Siberia: “That’s our peak-season rate. It’s the same as our off-peak rate. Actually, it’s all off-peak.”
Why on earth does “blockquote” get noted as misspelled except when it’s between pointy things without a backslash? I am not aware that there is a word that’s spelled pointy thing-blockquote-pointy thing.