A Voice for Men’s grandly titled First International Conference on Men’s Issues wound down a week ago. But the drama continues.
Today, in a post on AVFM, maximum leader Paul Elam set forth a series of accusations against the Doubletree Fort Shelby Hotel (where the conference was originally going to be held); against an unnamed security contracting company in Houston; and even against some hypothetical “privileged little college girls” who might have had the conference booted from the Doubletree by simply making a couple of irate phone calls, because, at least in Elam’s imagination, “privileged little college girls” have that power.
But the bulk of Elam’s complaints lie with the Doubletree, as the typically understated title of his post makes clear:
While acknowledging that “ there are still some questions that remain unanswered” (a bit of an understatement, that), Elam spells out what he thinks – or what he wants us to think that he thinks – happened. He presents what he calls “ the two most likely scenarios based on what evidence we have.”
In the first scenario, the Doubletree got actual threats and handled them very, very badly:
One is that the Hilton got serious and “escalating” death threats against their employees, guests, ICMI speakers and attendees, prompting them to go into emergency mode and invoke the security clause of our contract with them. Their demands forced us to raise tens of thousands of additional dollars to literally blanket the event with Detroit Police, just to make sure no one wound up dead.
I believe by “literally” Mr. Elam actually means “figuratively,” but let’s continue:
That would be the same police that they had not even bothered to call at that point. It is the same police that did not even know about any supposed threats when we called them to inquire; the same police which Doubletree used to attempt to shake us down, but neglected to even call till after they engaged in an attempt to force us to spend our way out of having our conference.
The second scenario is the one involving “college girls.”
The other possible scenario is that what Doubletree Downtown Hilton got was a couple of irate phone calls from privileged little college girls who don’t want men and women to talk without their permission, and, with the help of a sympathetic general manager in the middle of labor problems with the hotel’s union, decided to use those decidedly nonthreatening contacts to breach their contract with us and keep protesters away from their hotel.
Either possibility leaves Doubletree Downtown Hilton Detroit looking scummy, and for damned good reasons.
Elam also insinuates that the Doubletree sabotaged his good-faith efforts to hire Detroit police to provide security for the conference. For some unknown reason this involved “a contract company that happened to be located in the Houston area.” Elam writes:
We finally did locate the company we had to do business with, and a very nice lady there was preparing a quote for us, when lo and behold, in the middle of that process, she informed us that her boss had instructed her not to do business with us. Yes, we have that on a recorded phone call, which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles on our dealings with the Doubletree Downtown Hilton in Detroit, Michigan.
So, as it turns out, while in the middle of meeting the security demands of Hilton, someone stepped in to sabotage that, making it literally impossible for us to comply, giving Hilton the excuse to pull the plug.
Gee, wonder who was behind that?
Elam has decided to break an agreement he had with the Doubletree and to go ahead and post what he says are two letters he received from them, and a letter from his lawyer to the Doubletree. One of these letters is the original letter that AVFM posted about the alleged threats. Only now the name of the Doubletree letter-writer has been un-redacted.
Happily for Elam and his fans, the Doubletree staffer who wrote the letter is a woman. AVFM does prefer its villains to be female.
In the comments, longtime AVFM fan AndyBob writes sneeringly of this new woman to hate (I’ve redacted her name):
[Name redacted] may have even enjoyed her role in undermining the patriarchy and taking it to the cleaners. I’ve never encountered a feminist who doesn’t fantasize about playing a role in accomplishing this goal. Thanks to Paul Elam’s steely resolve, it is very likely that we are going to find out if [name redacted] is one of them.
I suspect that [name redacted] had better start packing for her sideways promotion to a Doubletree branch located in some far-flung hell-hole. Bon Voyage, [name redacted], it was an experience doing business with you.
Dr Elam, please keep doing what you’re doing in exactly the same way you’ve always done it – the survival of the MHRM depends on it.
Note: Dr. Elam is not a doctor.
I checked to see if anyone in the comments was calling [name redacted] a “whore,” but much to my surprise the only reference to whores came in a comment from Dean Esmay, directed at MSNBC’s Adam Serwer (not a woman).
Yes, we’ll be doing a profile piece on ideological whore Adam Serwer, whose behavior at the conference was so unprofessional, rage-filled, and contemptuous of all the women and men present that even other journalists who were there remarked upon it. The contemptible liar and whore Adam Serwer was an embarrassment even to his fellow reporters. One of the questions we expect him not to answer in our followup emails to him and his corporate managerses will be how much money he was paid to spit venom at the conference attendees while pretending to act like a reporter, and whether being a paid whore instead of a real journalist is something he enjoys. Look for more on him soon. He and two other whores who pretended to be journalists will also be receiving special coverage.
I think we can expect a lot more drama to come.
A couple of points:
First, if Elam’s account of AVFM’s dealings with the Doubletree is accurate, this means that his previous claim that AVFM moved the conference to the VFW simply because it had larger facilities was bullshit. But we already knew that, given all those empty chairs we saw in so many of the photos of AVFM’s conference. The letter from AVFM’s lawyer alleges that the Doubletree misrepresented the seating capacity of its event space, but it’s clearly a secondary concern.
Second, and a bit more important: It’s clear from the letter sent by AVFM’s lawyer that Elam didn’t believe the hotel had gotten credible threats. Indeed, the letter states that:
Mr. Elam and AVfM believe that the Hotel has simply decided that it does not want to host the Event and manufactured a reason not to.
That’s not what they were saying publicly at the time.
So evidently, AVFM’s dramatic posturing about threats from feminists was little more than an act. Nonetheless, AVFMers tried to pin the blame for the alleged threats their lawyer described as “manufactured security issues” on a real Detroit schoolteacher.
AVFM also seems to have reported threats to the Detroit Police, at least two. But we have no idea how credible they were. Were I a cynic I might find myself wondering if they reported these threats to the police just so that the police would finally be able to tell journalists that there had been threats, thus buttressing AVFM’s persecution narrative.
As for the threats AVFMers claim were made against the VFW, well, we should note that one of the St. Clair Shores officers working security for the event told AnimalNewYork that no specific threats had been made.
Among the questions that remain unanswered: what happened to all that money AVFM raised for security they didn’t need? Did they somehow manage to spend it all hiring a few St. Claire Shores cops? Or did they end up with a surplus? If the latter, why did AVFM need to launch a second fundraiser only a few days after the conference’s end? How much money does Elam need, anyway?
Why are [name redacted’s] signatures on the two documents AVFM has posted completely different from one another?
Also, is Esmay retiring “hatemongering bigot” as his epithet of choice in favor of “whore?” I thought that calling people whores was Janet Bloomfield’s job?
Questions, questions, so many questions.
An interesting blurb from the lawyer’s letter:
“While AVFM has located posts from individuals on social media that contemplate picketing the Event, none of those posts contain anything approaching a credible threat of violence.” (p 2)
So AVFM admits that the planned protest was not “anything approaching a credible threat of violence?” That’s pretty interesting, because their whole fundraising campaign relied on the idea of that threat of violence, as do other posts by Elam citing it as the reason for the move/the need for more money/the end of civilization/whatever.
If there was no “credible threat of violence,” why did AVFM doxx a participant in the protest? If we go by Janet Bloomfield’s qualification for doxxing (viewable at the last ten minutes of the ICMI day two coverage), even by the groups own standards, this was unfair implementation of doxxing.
So there is now a legal document stating that AVFM personally judged the social media protest planning as falling short of a “threat of violence.”
I hope the woman who was so viciously doxxed will use this.
“The Doubletree could also easily have told them they were no longer interested in holding the conference for any number of completely-legal reasons, including the initial bogus letter.”
What initial letter?
It wouldn’t surprise me if Elam devised, planned and orchestrated this all from the very beginning. And I mean the time he conceive of the event in the first place, in order so he could have an excuse to “raise funds” and pocket the money.
Maybe his whole “mens rights” thing is just posturing and a front for running financial scams.
As has already been made clear, there’s always something he’s asking money for and yet no “product” as such has been produced.
Where’s it all going?
“I hope the woman who was so viciously doxxed will use this.”
The school teacher? Who is she? Does she have a blog? We need to encourage her to sue. All that money Elam raised needs to go to somewhere and it shouldn’t be his pocket. Of course if the MHRM was sued, Elam would just use that as yet another excuse for yet another fund raiser.
Ah, yes, I’m familiar with the suicide of Earl Silverman. I thought this was a repeat and someone else had taken their lives.Bad enough we lost one already trying to help men, but relieved we have not lost yet another.
Most shelters are indeed partly funded by local governments, but rely extremely heavily on private fundraising because governments do not properly value the safety of their residents. It is a constant battle for funding to keep the doors open. So much for this supposedly lucrative DV empire. *spits*
I think that quote from page two of the lawyer’s letter pretty well debunks AVFM’s only half-way believable link of the “threats of violence” coming specifically from feminists. They acknowledge that the protest was not a threat of violence, and that was the major feminist action surrounding the conference. Any other link to feminism would be some rogue feminist solo-warrior or something, and it would be just as easy to assume it was a rogue MRA who was making the supposed threats, or a rogue cat, or…I don’t know, anyone.
That line admits that their “the feminists are trying to kill us!” bit is completely made up. AVFM admittedly judged the social media organization of protests by feminist to be non-threatening.
Way to shoot yourself in the foot, Paul!
They can’t get along with anyone, can they? That’s some human rights group they have there.
The beauty of all that ineptness and BS is that they will eventually implode under all the manipulation and lies.
@ Viscaria
They’re angriest at the women who they want to fuck, but can’t, hence the weird fixation on doxxing college girls.
I can’t be the only one who thinks that he did the ‘threat’ or had someone he knew. I mean, aside from the convention itself everything else that has happened throws up every red flag ever for being a big, freakin’ scam.
I’m now also picturing how one would get a literal blanket of police….
A literal blanket of police kind of makes me think to the zombie hordes in the World War Z movie when they mob the wall in Israel.
Elam: Look! SQUIRREL!!!
You’re not alone.
@WatermelonSugar
It makes JudgyBitch’s melodramatic performance in here look even more ludicrous. (Did you see that?)
Maybe a literal blanket of police would look something like this?
http://www.crazydoglady.com/images/0-bears.jpg
I failed at posting an image. Le sigh.
I’m just guessing here, but surely places venues have some kind of clause about being able to refuse to host an event based on the content. I mean, nobody wants to end up hosting that serial killer convention from The Sandman.
@Auntie–
The one where she was all “WOE IS THAT GIRL I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS SHE MIGHT BE IN TROUBLE OMG CAN I HAVE HER SS# AND THE NAME OF HER PETS PLZ?”
…yeah, I saw that one. I was still in long-time-lurk mode then, but geeze. That’s also why her “Yeah, we doxx people” statement at the conference made me so mad.
And now we see the AVFM agrees that the protest posed no threat of violence, so maybe doxxing is just a hobby for JB? I much prefer knitting, personally.
@WatermelonSugar
Yep, that’s the one.
damselindetech – you didn’t fail at image posting; images don’t post here. It’s in case trolls want to post horrible things.
Hmm, a blanket of police … one could knit it.
You’re going to look like a real ass when all these sinister “questions” turn out to have perfectly reasonable answers.
Shut up Woody.
I have a theory: Woody posts here because his desperate brown-nosing is so boring that even kiss-my-ego-now Elam got fed up with it.
Hey, it’s Woody! The Woodster! Woodmeister! Berty Woodster! Harrel Woodyson! Woody Woodpecker! Woody Yalikefrieswiththat! Woodford and Son! The Wood Dawg! Little Woodyan Boy! I Don’t Have a Woodyan Heart! Woodya Lookatthat! Ifatreefallsinthe Woody! Hard Woody Floors!
Woody, buddy, bro — just so you know, what you just said was completely inane. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger old Woodyrowwilsonsforteenpointplan! Friends don’t friends talk drivel. You’d do the same for me if I was defending a known charlatan with nothing more than mindless optimism!
You take care now, bro! When you see Paul, tell him I said ‘huh’.
Oh, Woody!
What do you think Mr. Elam is spending all those donators’ hard earned money that was given to him to cover security costs on?
David, you wrote:
I said that on the Sunday after the protest. AVFM members WERE there already and they are the ones that made some ridiculous reports to the cops to get a couple file numbers.
Oh and we should collab on something else. Angry Harry has a new idea for the lads and of course, we need to counter it. I’ll be posting on it in a couple days. It’s not urgent.
Fake lady troll Erin bragged about taking part in the doxxing of an awful Return of Kings writer, so there could be anti-MRA 4Chan types doing stupid shit. That doesn’t explain why Paul is blaming “privileged little college girls”, but that is probably stemming more from the general mistrust MRAs have of young women who won’t sleep with them.
Here’s Paul’s fundraiser bather, with amusing claims of being shy about asking for money and trying to suggest that people not directly tied to AVfM are calling their ramshackle conference “historical”.
Literally anyone who disagrees with them= Feminist
LOLOLOLOL