A Voice for Men’s grandly titled First International Conference on Men’s Issues wound down a week ago. But the drama continues.
Today, in a post on AVFM, maximum leader Paul Elam set forth a series of accusations against the Doubletree Fort Shelby Hotel (where the conference was originally going to be held); against an unnamed security contracting company in Houston; and even against some hypothetical “privileged little college girls” who might have had the conference booted from the Doubletree by simply making a couple of irate phone calls, because, at least in Elam’s imagination, “privileged little college girls” have that power.
But the bulk of Elam’s complaints lie with the Doubletree, as the typically understated title of his post makes clear:
While acknowledging that “ there are still some questions that remain unanswered” (a bit of an understatement, that), Elam spells out what he thinks – or what he wants us to think that he thinks – happened. He presents what he calls “ the two most likely scenarios based on what evidence we have.”
In the first scenario, the Doubletree got actual threats and handled them very, very badly:
One is that the Hilton got serious and “escalating” death threats against their employees, guests, ICMI speakers and attendees, prompting them to go into emergency mode and invoke the security clause of our contract with them. Their demands forced us to raise tens of thousands of additional dollars to literally blanket the event with Detroit Police, just to make sure no one wound up dead.
I believe by “literally” Mr. Elam actually means “figuratively,” but let’s continue:
That would be the same police that they had not even bothered to call at that point. It is the same police that did not even know about any supposed threats when we called them to inquire; the same police which Doubletree used to attempt to shake us down, but neglected to even call till after they engaged in an attempt to force us to spend our way out of having our conference.
The second scenario is the one involving “college girls.”
The other possible scenario is that what Doubletree Downtown Hilton got was a couple of irate phone calls from privileged little college girls who don’t want men and women to talk without their permission, and, with the help of a sympathetic general manager in the middle of labor problems with the hotel’s union, decided to use those decidedly nonthreatening contacts to breach their contract with us and keep protesters away from their hotel.
Either possibility leaves Doubletree Downtown Hilton Detroit looking scummy, and for damned good reasons.
Elam also insinuates that the Doubletree sabotaged his good-faith efforts to hire Detroit police to provide security for the conference. For some unknown reason this involved “a contract company that happened to be located in the Houston area.” Elam writes:
We finally did locate the company we had to do business with, and a very nice lady there was preparing a quote for us, when lo and behold, in the middle of that process, she informed us that her boss had instructed her not to do business with us. Yes, we have that on a recorded phone call, which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles on our dealings with the Doubletree Downtown Hilton in Detroit, Michigan.
So, as it turns out, while in the middle of meeting the security demands of Hilton, someone stepped in to sabotage that, making it literally impossible for us to comply, giving Hilton the excuse to pull the plug.
Gee, wonder who was behind that?
Elam has decided to break an agreement he had with the Doubletree and to go ahead and post what he says are two letters he received from them, and a letter from his lawyer to the Doubletree. One of these letters is the original letter that AVFM posted about the alleged threats. Only now the name of the Doubletree letter-writer has been un-redacted.
Happily for Elam and his fans, the Doubletree staffer who wrote the letter is a woman. AVFM does prefer its villains to be female.
In the comments, longtime AVFM fan AndyBob writes sneeringly of this new woman to hate (I’ve redacted her name):
[Name redacted] may have even enjoyed her role in undermining the patriarchy and taking it to the cleaners. I’ve never encountered a feminist who doesn’t fantasize about playing a role in accomplishing this goal. Thanks to Paul Elam’s steely resolve, it is very likely that we are going to find out if [name redacted] is one of them.
I suspect that [name redacted] had better start packing for her sideways promotion to a Doubletree branch located in some far-flung hell-hole. Bon Voyage, [name redacted], it was an experience doing business with you.
Dr Elam, please keep doing what you’re doing in exactly the same way you’ve always done it – the survival of the MHRM depends on it.
Note: Dr. Elam is not a doctor.
I checked to see if anyone in the comments was calling [name redacted] a “whore,” but much to my surprise the only reference to whores came in a comment from Dean Esmay, directed at MSNBC’s Adam Serwer (not a woman).
Yes, we’ll be doing a profile piece on ideological whore Adam Serwer, whose behavior at the conference was so unprofessional, rage-filled, and contemptuous of all the women and men present that even other journalists who were there remarked upon it. The contemptible liar and whore Adam Serwer was an embarrassment even to his fellow reporters. One of the questions we expect him not to answer in our followup emails to him and his corporate managerses will be how much money he was paid to spit venom at the conference attendees while pretending to act like a reporter, and whether being a paid whore instead of a real journalist is something he enjoys. Look for more on him soon. He and two other whores who pretended to be journalists will also be receiving special coverage.
I think we can expect a lot more drama to come.
A couple of points:
First, if Elam’s account of AVFM’s dealings with the Doubletree is accurate, this means that his previous claim that AVFM moved the conference to the VFW simply because it had larger facilities was bullshit. But we already knew that, given all those empty chairs we saw in so many of the photos of AVFM’s conference. The letter from AVFM’s lawyer alleges that the Doubletree misrepresented the seating capacity of its event space, but it’s clearly a secondary concern.
Second, and a bit more important: It’s clear from the letter sent by AVFM’s lawyer that Elam didn’t believe the hotel had gotten credible threats. Indeed, the letter states that:
Mr. Elam and AVfM believe that the Hotel has simply decided that it does not want to host the Event and manufactured a reason not to.
That’s not what they were saying publicly at the time.
So evidently, AVFM’s dramatic posturing about threats from feminists was little more than an act. Nonetheless, AVFMers tried to pin the blame for the alleged threats their lawyer described as “manufactured security issues” on a real Detroit schoolteacher.
AVFM also seems to have reported threats to the Detroit Police, at least two. But we have no idea how credible they were. Were I a cynic I might find myself wondering if they reported these threats to the police just so that the police would finally be able to tell journalists that there had been threats, thus buttressing AVFM’s persecution narrative.
As for the threats AVFMers claim were made against the VFW, well, we should note that one of the St. Clair Shores officers working security for the event told AnimalNewYork that no specific threats had been made.
Among the questions that remain unanswered: what happened to all that money AVFM raised for security they didn’t need? Did they somehow manage to spend it all hiring a few St. Claire Shores cops? Or did they end up with a surplus? If the latter, why did AVFM need to launch a second fundraiser only a few days after the conference’s end? How much money does Elam need, anyway?
Why are [name redacted’s] signatures on the two documents AVFM has posted completely different from one another?
Also, is Esmay retiring “hatemongering bigot” as his epithet of choice in favor of “whore?” I thought that calling people whores was Janet Bloomfield’s job?
Questions, questions, so many questions.
Sorry – I’m interrupting the discussion, then everyone can get back on topic. Does anyone know who the MRAsshole calling themself Tim Murphy is? Is he Victor Zen/Sage Gerard?
Typical. Doesn’t want to talk about actual issues or even about the actual conference, only about how he was treated. I am reminded of the many trolls who show up and make one actual comment and then spend the rest of their time whining about the responses they got and how they weren’t nice enough.
Wow. Women really do run the world, apparently. The embattled forces of Organized Masculinity, done in by a few “privileged little college girls”. Oh, the misandry!
/s
It’s pretty nervy of them to go after a for-profit corporation with lots and lots of money and lawyers. I mean, I don’t know how Doubletree’s franchising works, and whether corporate would hang one of their own locations out to dry or not, but seriously.
The *best* case the MRM could get out of this is to make this one branch of the Doubletree look bad, while simultaneously cementing their own previous stories as false. Like, if they get exactly what they want, everybody walks away looking bad.
I don’t understand what they hope to accomplish.
I wonder what the R-Value of Detroit Police is. We’ve been thinking of doing a little insulating, but maybe the cost of transporting them to Worcester would be too much?
@Faintpraise: We should make sure to have an archived copy of Elam giving police report numbers. A lot of this should be kept on permanent record since it’s beginning to unravel.
Actually, it all needs to be kept on an archive – and sent to the venue for their NEXT conference, sans any editorial comment. If they make themselves toxic for businesses dealing with them, then all you need is to expose their own words.
But the opportunities for fundraising! They’ll need lots of cash for the upcoming legal battles. Not to mention the martyrdom they can claim if the bad press causes every location they consider for the 2nd international conference to be mysteriously booked for the very dates they require.
Oops, ninja’d by Phoenician on the last part. ::tips hat::
They didn’t have an “agreement”, they had a contract. When the contract was broken any such agreement was also broken.
You know this, you are just a shitty person and a terrible hack.
My very strong suspicion is that the conference attracted so few room bookings that it would trigger penalty payments against AVFM. The “security threats” and failure to obtain extra police then becomes a reason to back out of the contract without (too much) penalty.
I was a little college girl once. I’m lamenting all the conferences I missed canceling. If only I’d known I had that privilege. . . .but too late now; I’m old.
Something in the letter sent by the Doubletree to AVFM to require more security:
“The threats have escalated to include death threats, physical violence against our staff and other guests as well as damage to the properties. The callers have indicated that they will be stationed within the hotel as guests, which raises our level of concerns.”
The wording makes me thing that the hotel was implying the threats were coming from MRAs. And who else residing in the hotel would threaten the employees (some of them represented by the labor activists demonstrating against them at the time?
Anyhow, this ties up with what was posted at the Socialist Worker:
“If this group were allowed to meet, hotel workers would be subjected to a hostile working environment.
The women of Detroit are not disposable. The workers of the DoubleTree are not disposable. The money offered by a conference of roughly 200 bigots isn’t enough to compromise the safety of Detroiters.”
http://socialistworker.org/2014/06/12/bigots-not-welcome-in-detroit
I think these asshats might have tried their usual harassment tactics on the wrong people.
The Doubletree didn’t break their contract. They invoked a clause of it that Elam didn’t like.
@throwaway
You’re a chump if you believe that the only contracting agency JUST HAPPENED to be located in (Elam’s city of) Houston.
I found it very strange at the time that there was no announcement that AVFM had submitted the proof they’d hired security and bought increased liability insurance. Elam was very secretive, claiming he couldn’t talk about it. His minions tried to claim that the VFW was booked from the start in case something went wrong at the DoubleTree. Rrrrright.
@marinerachel
I haven’t heard of him.
@schwadevivre
Exactly. The lies were compounded by more lies. Now that he’s had a week to concoct a new tale, this is the result.
@Kootiepatra
Oh but Paris Hilton is a ditz so that throws the entire chain into question!!!
@Isabelle
I’m not catching that implication but that’s what I thought had happened all along. The bit about having callers stationed inside guest rooms was so ridiculous I couldn’t help but conclude that only idjit MRAs could dream it up. I mean, if terrorism was the actual goal, why on earth would the would-be terrorists give away their plans??
Wow. That’s a twist I did not see coming. So we have to conclude that AVFM were quaking in their boots at the conference, hiding behind the Detroit police in fear of the big, bad college girls? The storyceas already not making any sense, but now it’s gone beyond absurd.
Isabelle: That was my reaction to the letter from Doubletree. Along with the warning that Elam is expected to keep his conference under control, it sounds to me like the threats were from MRAs. Quite possibly MRAs who were calling up to book rooms – does anyone put it past them to start ranting about how the hotel had better treat them with the proper manly respect OR ELSE?
I agree with the one poster: all of this was initially to make up the fact that they didn’t sell their contracted room block. I’ve always suspected they concocted the death threat/need security letter, trusting that their readership would believe it and raise funds to cover the deficit. They would have needed security anyway, but probably hadn’t raised funds for that, either.
Then when AVfM didn’t follow through on their contract and were in danger of penalty, Elam stomped over to the VFW hall.
“AVFMers tried to pin the blame for the alleged threats their lawyer described as “manufactured security issues” on a real Detroit schoolteacher.”
Oh heeeeeelllllllllllllll naaaaawwwww!!!
If I were her, I’d sue their asses big time for defamation. She could even say that it caused psychological damage to her male students, thus framing the MHRM as inherently anti-male.
Speaking of which. Didn’t a commenter and writer on AVFM recently commit suicide. He was trying to open a safe house for abused boys and men but the MHRM never donated a single penny to his cause, despite claiming they are “doing something” or men and boys.
Now that he is dead, they are taking up donations for his center.
What scammers these peeps are!
Note: I’ve been on staff for conventions that had 500 to 4000 attendees. He’s been BSing from the get go. I have little doubt he LOST money on this with his hamhandedness and inability to contract like an adult.
I did see over at Yo Is This Racist? a call to contact Doubletree and try to get the conference cancelled. Essentially to call DoubleTree to ask them whether a group full of bigots with a history of violent behavior is really a great group to host for a conference, especially as at that time the Elliot Rodger killings had just occurred and his anti-woman youtube rants were available – I don’t know if it is possible someone called and “hey, that AVFM conference you’re hosting, do you really think that is a good idea as they violently hate women and those recent murders and everything?” was interpreted as a threat?
Offs, that’s horrifying. Chartreuse, do you have any links with info on that?
The Doubletree could also easily have told them they were no longer interested in holding the conference for any number of completely-legal reasons, including the initial bogus letter.
That would be Earl Silverman
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/28/earl-silverman-who-ran-mens-safe-house-dies-in-apparent-suicide/
The thing is from what I understand, most shelters are funded by municipalities and private funding. Its a lot of grassroot local efforts that keeps the doors opened.
More much ado about nothing by the basement dwelling Misogynist Rights Activists. What a bunch of wankers. The truth is Paul Elam makes up a lot of shit in order to get attention. He does nothing but fleece his followers. Well, good on him if they are stupid enough to give him money hand over fist for doing what he does which is: absolutely nothing except stirring up a pot full of shit.