A Voice for Men’s grandly titled First International Conference on Men’s Issues wound down a week ago. But the drama continues.
Today, in a post on AVFM, maximum leader Paul Elam set forth a series of accusations against the Doubletree Fort Shelby Hotel (where the conference was originally going to be held); against an unnamed security contracting company in Houston; and even against some hypothetical “privileged little college girls” who might have had the conference booted from the Doubletree by simply making a couple of irate phone calls, because, at least in Elam’s imagination, “privileged little college girls” have that power.
But the bulk of Elam’s complaints lie with the Doubletree, as the typically understated title of his post makes clear:
While acknowledging that “ there are still some questions that remain unanswered” (a bit of an understatement, that), Elam spells out what he thinks – or what he wants us to think that he thinks – happened. He presents what he calls “ the two most likely scenarios based on what evidence we have.”
In the first scenario, the Doubletree got actual threats and handled them very, very badly:
One is that the Hilton got serious and “escalating” death threats against their employees, guests, ICMI speakers and attendees, prompting them to go into emergency mode and invoke the security clause of our contract with them. Their demands forced us to raise tens of thousands of additional dollars to literally blanket the event with Detroit Police, just to make sure no one wound up dead.
I believe by “literally” Mr. Elam actually means “figuratively,” but let’s continue:
That would be the same police that they had not even bothered to call at that point. It is the same police that did not even know about any supposed threats when we called them to inquire; the same police which Doubletree used to attempt to shake us down, but neglected to even call till after they engaged in an attempt to force us to spend our way out of having our conference.
The second scenario is the one involving “college girls.”
The other possible scenario is that what Doubletree Downtown Hilton got was a couple of irate phone calls from privileged little college girls who don’t want men and women to talk without their permission, and, with the help of a sympathetic general manager in the middle of labor problems with the hotel’s union, decided to use those decidedly nonthreatening contacts to breach their contract with us and keep protesters away from their hotel.
Either possibility leaves Doubletree Downtown Hilton Detroit looking scummy, and for damned good reasons.
Elam also insinuates that the Doubletree sabotaged his good-faith efforts to hire Detroit police to provide security for the conference. For some unknown reason this involved “a contract company that happened to be located in the Houston area.” Elam writes:
We finally did locate the company we had to do business with, and a very nice lady there was preparing a quote for us, when lo and behold, in the middle of that process, she informed us that her boss had instructed her not to do business with us. Yes, we have that on a recorded phone call, which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles on our dealings with the Doubletree Downtown Hilton in Detroit, Michigan.
So, as it turns out, while in the middle of meeting the security demands of Hilton, someone stepped in to sabotage that, making it literally impossible for us to comply, giving Hilton the excuse to pull the plug.
Gee, wonder who was behind that?
Elam has decided to break an agreement he had with the Doubletree and to go ahead and post what he says are two letters he received from them, and a letter from his lawyer to the Doubletree. One of these letters is the original letter that AVFM posted about the alleged threats. Only now the name of the Doubletree letter-writer has been un-redacted.
Happily for Elam and his fans, the Doubletree staffer who wrote the letter is a woman. AVFM does prefer its villains to be female.
In the comments, longtime AVFM fan AndyBob writes sneeringly of this new woman to hate (I’ve redacted her name):
[Name redacted] may have even enjoyed her role in undermining the patriarchy and taking it to the cleaners. I’ve never encountered a feminist who doesn’t fantasize about playing a role in accomplishing this goal. Thanks to Paul Elam’s steely resolve, it is very likely that we are going to find out if [name redacted] is one of them.
I suspect that [name redacted] had better start packing for her sideways promotion to a Doubletree branch located in some far-flung hell-hole. Bon Voyage, [name redacted], it was an experience doing business with you.
Dr Elam, please keep doing what you’re doing in exactly the same way you’ve always done it – the survival of the MHRM depends on it.
Note: Dr. Elam is not a doctor.
I checked to see if anyone in the comments was calling [name redacted] a “whore,” but much to my surprise the only reference to whores came in a comment from Dean Esmay, directed at MSNBC’s Adam Serwer (not a woman).
Yes, we’ll be doing a profile piece on ideological whore Adam Serwer, whose behavior at the conference was so unprofessional, rage-filled, and contemptuous of all the women and men present that even other journalists who were there remarked upon it. The contemptible liar and whore Adam Serwer was an embarrassment even to his fellow reporters. One of the questions we expect him not to answer in our followup emails to him and his corporate managerses will be how much money he was paid to spit venom at the conference attendees while pretending to act like a reporter, and whether being a paid whore instead of a real journalist is something he enjoys. Look for more on him soon. He and two other whores who pretended to be journalists will also be receiving special coverage.
I think we can expect a lot more drama to come.
A couple of points:
First, if Elam’s account of AVFM’s dealings with the Doubletree is accurate, this means that his previous claim that AVFM moved the conference to the VFW simply because it had larger facilities was bullshit. But we already knew that, given all those empty chairs we saw in so many of the photos of AVFM’s conference. The letter from AVFM’s lawyer alleges that the Doubletree misrepresented the seating capacity of its event space, but it’s clearly a secondary concern.
Second, and a bit more important: It’s clear from the letter sent by AVFM’s lawyer that Elam didn’t believe the hotel had gotten credible threats. Indeed, the letter states that:
Mr. Elam and AVfM believe that the Hotel has simply decided that it does not want to host the Event and manufactured a reason not to.
That’s not what they were saying publicly at the time.
So evidently, AVFM’s dramatic posturing about threats from feminists was little more than an act. Nonetheless, AVFMers tried to pin the blame for the alleged threats their lawyer described as “manufactured security issues” on a real Detroit schoolteacher.
AVFM also seems to have reported threats to the Detroit Police, at least two. But we have no idea how credible they were. Were I a cynic I might find myself wondering if they reported these threats to the police just so that the police would finally be able to tell journalists that there had been threats, thus buttressing AVFM’s persecution narrative.
As for the threats AVFMers claim were made against the VFW, well, we should note that one of the St. Clair Shores officers working security for the event told AnimalNewYork that no specific threats had been made.
Among the questions that remain unanswered: what happened to all that money AVFM raised for security they didn’t need? Did they somehow manage to spend it all hiring a few St. Claire Shores cops? Or did they end up with a surplus? If the latter, why did AVFM need to launch a second fundraiser only a few days after the conference’s end? How much money does Elam need, anyway?
Why are [name redacted’s] signatures on the two documents AVFM has posted completely different from one another?
Also, is Esmay retiring “hatemongering bigot” as his epithet of choice in favor of “whore?” I thought that calling people whores was Janet Bloomfield’s job?
Questions, questions, so many questions.
If they start calling men whores, they can claim it’s a non-gendered insult. Though, wasn’t he the one the claimed that being an asshole was gendered?
So their basically going to attack every journalist that doesn’t give them complete praise? And they want to be taken seriously? Adam’s report seemed pretty balanced to me.they’re getting mad at reporters repeating the stuff that was said at the conference. Hopefully there will be some kind of action taken if they try to slander the reporters.
Honestly you don’t even need to listen to the substance of what AVFM are saying. If they don’t even have integrity for stuff like ‘we’re moving our conference because we want more space’, how likely is it that their arguments are just as devoid of integrity?
I am not a lawyer. This is seriously setting off “fraud” warning bells at this point though.
The lawyer’s letter dated June 5th says they don’t believe there were threats. I don’t know when the the security firm told them they wouldn’t do business (didn’t the Doubletree ask for police officers, not private security? was AVfM just trying to save a few more bucks??).
But what were the dates of AVfM’s security fundraiser and what were the specific claims made about it, on either the fundraiser pages or on any of AVfM’s news coverage of these events? Even the readers at AVfM have rights. They do not deserve to be defrauded of their money. It seems almost certain that AVfM was knowingly misleading at some point during this.
What is the correct authority in the USA to contact with concerns?
I find myself increasingly disturbed at how middle-aged Elam, and his followers, focus so much of their vitriol and doxxing attempts on young women just beginning their adult lives. I doubt it’s a coincidence that their favourite scapegoats are young people who, generally speaking, have very little money and very little political power.
I don’t mean to imply that Elam has any intention of doxxing the “privileged little college girls” that he mentions here — how could he, since they’re entirely a product of his own imagination — I’m just reminded of the many other occasions that female Uni/college students have been targeted by the AVfM crowd.
“which will be the subject of another (of many) future articles ”
WHHYYYYYY?!?! No more, please no more. Find a new topic Elam. Please!
Faint Praise — also not a lawyer, but I worked for one and am fairly sure that fraud of this sort is a civil matter, which would mean only the people he defrauded have any legal standing to do anything about it. Idk if AVfM being a non-profit would change that though (are they? Or was that CAFE?)
Less legalese version — only those conned can sue the con man.
lol…its kind of hilarious that Elam talks about college feminists when of all the things that could have made the Doubletree reconsider, the involvement of labor rights activists is likely what tipped the scale.
“UNITE HERE Local 24 representatives passed out signs to “Boycott Doubletree” and denounced the hotel for hosting the conference of bigots. The union is waging a struggle for union recognition, decent wages and dignity for hotel industry workers, many of whom are women and people of color.”
http://www.workers.org/articles/2014/06/10/protest-exposes-anti-woman-group/
Not a coincidence at all. They go after women they think they can indtimidate, especially young women they think need to be “taken down a peg or two.” They think like abusers.
Another good article in the same vein:
“Speakers pointed out that the DoubletTree’s policy of non-discriminatory hosting might seem like a solid business plan, but they should put these policies into practice and refuse to host hate groups that preach discrimination. If this group were allowed to meet, hotel workers would be subjected to a hostile working environment.
The women of Detroit are not disposable. The workers of the DoubleTree are not disposable. The money offered by a conference of roughly 200 bigots isn’t enough to compromise the safety of Detroiters.”
http://socialistworker.org/2014/06/12/bigots-not-welcome-in-detroit
Viscaria,
I agree. It is profoundly creepy how obsessed middle aged misogynistic men are with young women. Either they want to groom them for a relationship or they are trash talking about them.
It’s CAFE who recently gained non-profit status in Canada. I’ve written to my MP and MPP (Member of Parliament, and Member of Provincial Parliament) about how their past statements and actions are highly questionable under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and urging that their charitable status be revoked. They talked their way into the World Pride parade this year with a false claim to be with the amazing Sherbourne Health Centre, who focus on healthcare among the LGBTQ community and the homeless. With their policies of inclusivity and zero tolerance for discrimination of any kind, I have a feeling that the Sherbourne will be taking legal action against them in the near future. At least I really hope so.
God, why can’t Elam just admit he wanted more money so lied to his loyal flock about threats? At this point I have no doubt he lied about all of it. After all, it wouldn’t be the first time he lied about where funds were going.
Either way, can’t the man take responsibility for anything? Oh, I’m sure it was somehow the fault of “little college girls” that the conference was moved. Elam would NEVER attempt to target and blame women he sees as vulnerable. Oh wait, yes he would.
Honestly, if it all came out that Elam had lied about all of it to make a little extra cash to line his pockets I’m almost 99% sure none of his fans who contributed to BOTH fundraisers would try to take legal action against him. They’d find some way to spin the fact that he scammed them as noble and good. It constantly amazes me, no matter what he does (even to them), they are desperate to justify it.
That’s odd. The misters were flaunting two police report numbers. Also, reporter Steve Neavling claimed to have copies of the reports but never did write about it.
These guys crack me up sometimes.
One lone voice of reason in the comments:
@Winter Walker
Good for you!
Paranoid,,rage filled, untruthful, bullying, greedy, misogynist. Why Mr Elam, I can’t say a nice word about you
What a mess. I’ve been surprised throughout this thing that the idea of hiring security for an event was shocking or that these guys considered it out of place. I’ve attended sci-fi cons and SCA events held on private property, and to my limited knowledge, they frequently have security clauses in their contracts. It is often in the best interests of the organization holding the event (and the property owner’s best interests, for sure) that paid security people are on site. It doesn’t take death threats, credible or otherwise, for this to be true.
I was wondering if some of his readers had started asking questions about the low attendance to the conference and what happened to all the money for security. Is this Elam’s attempt at “hey guys look over here”?
However looking at the comments he gets Elam could tell them anything and they would still support him.
Elam: Hey suckers,er I mean soldiers against the matriarchy, I want some money for stuff and things.
Fans:We’re onto it. We all understand how much writing horrendous stuff on the internet about women costs.
We should make sure to have an archived copy of Elam giving police report numbers. A lot of this should be kept on permanent record since it’s beginning to unravel.
El oh el. I’m sure releasing this letter today had nothing to do with the fact that AVfM is in the process of a “10 Day” fundraiser that started on the 28th of June and as of last night was 10 k short of its goal. Gotta get the troops riled up to dig deep! They’e raised about 2 k since the letter went up. What a bunch of saps.Elam certainly has a lot of gall in accusing women of seeing men as little more than ATMs.
“[Name redacted] may have even enjoyed her role in undermining the patriarchy and taking it to the cleaners. I’ve never encountered a feminist who doesn’t fantasize about playing a role in accomplishing this goal. Thanks to Paul Elam’s steely resolve, it is very likely that we are going to find out if [name redacted] is one of them.”
Love it when they accidentally speak the truth like it’s some kind of big gotcha. Yup, feminism is about dismantling the patriarchy. Not a secret. Yup, the MRM/AVfM is part of the patriarchy and upholding it is their main goal, thanks for admitting it. Lol, you got us AndyBob. However will we go on now that our nefarious scheme has been revealed?!?
I think it’s more that they live off of this stuff. A conference is somewhere where you have to propose ideas, make action plans, educate… none of which are the MRM’s forte. Mudslinging, though? They’re great at that! Generating false controversy? Blaming women for everything that goes wrong? A “men’s rights” conference is probably a lot more useful to the MRM in generating opportunities to do these than it is useful in and of itself.
@ Viscaria
Yeah,you’re right.Why use a conference to actually get some things done,(not only is this not their forte as you said but they haven’t any intention of doing anything constructive) when they can just use it to continue their usual hating.
My assumption is that AVFM reported threats, thus the case numbers.
I have to wonder what happened to the supposed continuing education credits offered by some therapists association for attending the conference – anybody hear if that was legit? I was shocked, to say the least.