At A Voice for Men’s conference yesterday, antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey was given “a special award for her tireless work with ALL the victims of domestic violence.” Due to the amazing public relations work of AVFM’s spokeswoman for the conference, I don’t know what the award was called, so let’s just assume it was the World’s Greatest Erin Pizzey Award.
Whatever the award was called, the notion that Pizzey works, tirelessly or otherwise, on behalf of “ALL the victims of domestic violence” is demonstrably false. Indeed, she has argued vociferously against extending DV protection to all victims.
In an op-ed she wrote for The Daily Mail in 2011, Pizzey declared herself “horrified” that the British government would consider extending domestic violence protection to those subjected to “emotional bullying and ‘coercive control’” as well as actual physical abuse.
Her “argument” may be triggering for abuse survivors, so I’m putting all of her quotes below the jump.
Pizzey wrote:
In other words, if you stop your wife using the phone, you could be bracketed with a man who has knocked his wife’s teeth out in a rage.
In the future, couples who row, smashing precious belongings in a fit of anger perhaps, could seek to have their other half charged under domestic violence laws. Thus, too, wives who, for whatever reason, destroy their husband’s fine wine collection, or cut the sleeve off his suits in an act of revenge for some betrayal or slight, may find themselves charged with this most serious of crimes.
Domineering, bullying husbands who shout at their wives but never lift a finger to hurt them would find themselves in court.
Let me tell you: this is not domestic violence. It is an absurd idea to define such acts in that way, and worse, it serves to trivialise genuine cases of domestic abuse.
The new definition, which the government did indeed put in place in 2013, extended domestic violence and abuse to include
Any incident or pattern of incidents of controlling, coercive or threatening behaviour, violence or abuse between those aged 16 or over who are or have been intimate partners or family members regardless of gender or sexuality.
The government spelled out clearly what they meant by “controlling” and “coercive” behavior.
Controlling behaviour is: a range of acts designed to make a person subordinate and/or dependent by isolating them from sources of support, exploiting their resources and capacities for personal gain, depriving them of the means needed for independence, resistance and escape and regulating their everyday behaviour.
Coercive behaviour is: an act or a pattern of acts of assault, threats, humiliation and intimidation or other abuse that is used to harm, punish, or frighten their victim.”*
*This definition includes so called ‘honour’ based violence, female genital mutilation (FGM) and forced marriage, and is clear that victims are not confined to one gender or ethnic group.
There is no question, at least not to anyone who is serious about ending domestic violence and abuse, that “controlling, coercive or threatening behaviour” is abuse.
Why shouldn’t “domineering, bullying husbands who shout at their wives” in an attempt to control and coerce them be prosecuted for abuse? Why shouldn’t wives who do the same be prosecuted?
Pizzey not only argued against prosecuting those who bully their partners into submission through emotional, psychological, sexual or financial abuse. She also argued that most victims of domestic violence aren’t really legitimate victims either:
To me, the definition of domestic violence is quite clear: if you are not in fear of your life, you are not suffering it.
That’s right, the woman AVFM just honored as an advocate for “ALL victims of domestic violence” only considers actual physical violence to be domestic violence if the victim is literally afraid that they will be killed.
She continues:
In all other cases, where the aggression takes only an emotional form, or a few coffee cups have been chucked around, women in modern Britain thankfully have the option of finding a lawyer and choosing to separate from their husbands if they wish to do so.
The obvious point is that there is almost always clear evidence in domestic violence cases — bruises, cuts, internal organ damage or scars. Unless you have seen real, shocking abuse as I have, it is difficult to imagine some of the awful violence that people can inflict on each other in the home. And that’s why I’m convinced that bringing other, lesser, wrongs under this same legal umbrella does a great disservice to the women who really suffer.
How does protecting all victims of abuse do a disservice to those suffering the worst abuse? The police arrest people who assault as well as people who murder; this is hardly a “great disservice” to victims of murder.
Pizzey warns that the expanded definition “will turn millions of us into criminals.” She then makes a startling confession:
[A]fter all, I’ve been known in my time to lob the odd glass of wine in the heat of the moment. Indeed, there is something frightfully satisfying about chucking wine at somebody.
Yep. The woman who is A Voice for Men’s guru on domestic violence likes to chuck wine glasses at people. And apparently thinks this is a perfectly fine way to handle domestic disputes.
At this rate, we’ll all end up under arrest, and that is not a situation that’s going to help the police tackle the cases of true physical violence which must be stamped out.
Needless to say, the new definition, in place since April of last year, has not led to mass arrests of everyone in the U.K. If the new definition has put some wine-glass chuckers in jail, I can’t say I think this is a great injustice.
Pizzey declares that
People behave badly in relationships because we have human frailties. This is not an area in which the State should meddle; leave it to relationship counsellors and divorce lawyers.
Why shouldn’t the state “meddle” in cases of domestic abuse? The law doesn’t end at your door.
Pizzey winds up her op-ed by accusing those working against domestic violence – presumably she excludes herself – of being in it for money and power.
Over the past ten years, domestic violence has become a huge feminist industry. …
This is girls-only empire building, and it is highly lucrative at that. Men are not allowed to be employed at these organisations. Boys over the age of 12 are not allowed into safe houses where their mothers are staying, which I think is scandalous. …
Who benefits from this industry? Refuge has an annual income of more than £10 million from both public and private donations. Cherie Booth is a patron. The heads of these organisations are on very generous salaries.
And they are on a feminist mission to demonise men — even those who never have and never will hit a woman.
It’s appalling that this woman has gotten any kind of award.
I… are you seriously arguing that it’s difficult to recognise abusers/abusive behaviour as opposed to the victims of said abuse?
Okay, has everyone filled up their glasses due to the blog links? We should all be rolling drunk by this stage thanks to ramendik.
Thanks to the name of this latest troll, the flying spaghetti monster is not pleased.
Abuse is much too serious an issue for whatever game it is that you’re attempting to play in this thread. Also, “my person”? I’m fairly sure nobody has referenced your body or physical appearance during this conversation, so unless you’re a dog or cat posting on behalf of your human companion the whole “my person” thing is rather baffling.
And that it is difficult to say whether or not restraining orders have been violated, when it has always been my understanding that when you have issued a restraining order the person you issued it to cannot contact you except under conditions that you have given?
Is this a stupid devil’s advocate type posting from troll? The law has already got definitions in place with respect to abuse, as do DV support processes, so I can’t see what the argument is.
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I think he’s trying to get us to conclude that it is just *too hard* to define, recognize and punish abuse under the law, so either we give up, or he figures out how to slip through the loopholes. IDK ramendik is sketchy as fuck.
The law already recognises and punishes abuse… I can’t see where the hell the supposed argument is.
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The thing is with these trolls though is that I always think *I’m* missing something. Like this is a problem of my comprehension rather than yes, they really are that sketchy. So I get really confused as to whether or not their arguments are meant to be disingenuous or I’m just reading them wrong. Gaslighting FTW!
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Why can’t they just stick to animal-shaped noodles?
I can’t help, I’ve been sucked into a vortex of Parry Grip animal videos.
Adding emotional abuse to law is a fairly recent thing, and far from universal (not all states in the US – even traditionally progressive Massachusets does not have it, for example). As it is a new thing, “how it’s going to work” is a valid question.
The kind of order I was referring to was the Irish “safety order”, when the person does not have to move out. The US system is something I’m still struggling with so I don’t really understand – despite some googling – whether such orders exist there.
If they do not, then, along with what was already referencedm things seem to boil down to a simple rule – a spouse is getting emotionally harmed by the marriage as certified by a medical professional, let’s move the other spouse out.
I guess this approach is really more important for women. With typical child care arrangements, an emotionally abused man can simply move out (into a hostel or cheap motel if necessary) and does not need an order for that, while an emotionally abused women can’t leave her children or afford proper accommodation with them, so needs to force an abuser out of the home? (Of course things get reversed in the rare but existing families where the man is the primary carer).
I’m not objecting to how this works. But this system would only cover pretty serious cases, where the abused person recognizes a need for physical separation. The Irish safety order system is apparently designed to cover less severe cases, where certain limitations can be imposed without actually separating the couple. Applying that system to cases of emotional abuse appears tricky to me, but, on the other hand, if it really ends up helping people use recording equipment, I would applaud it. (Some mild abusers might snap out of it after listening to some replays!)
If your “safety orders” really allow abusers to occupy the same space as the victims, no wonder you’re so confused as to how to prevent abuse.
Regardless, it’s good to know it is definitely you and not my reading of you.
(Tries to regain lost trolling ground by temporarily pretending to acknowledge the way gender can impact domestic violence cases. Fails to convince audience of either sincerity or intelligence.)
Meanwhile, I’ve found a perfect pasta just for him.
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LOL wut?
Assault has been in the criminal law books for years and is a form of emotional abuse.
Emotional harm can be identified by a certified counsellor or psychologist, neither of whom are medical professionals by any definition (including in health acts).
Why don’t you stop typing and go away. You clearly have no understanding of abusive relationships because (as only one for example) by the stage one party realises they are being emotionally abused, the abuse has typically been long standing and has escalated to serious levels of threat.
And not all legislation relating to domestic violence is under criminal law, some of it comes under tort, see for example http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/svaw/domestic/link/civillaw.htm and http://www.ciyoudixonlaw.com/family-law/divorce/domestic-torts-can-you-sue/
Your understanding of both law and domestic violence are tenuous at best.
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Why didn’t they put those cookies out at the conference? Would have gotten more people in.
They are “mine” only in the sense that I am an Irish citizen by naturalization and explicitly signed up to obey Irish law. I did not invent them I do admit I generally like the Irish system, though.
The actual law defining them: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1996/en/act/pub/0001/sec0002.html#sec2
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Where the court, on application to it, is of the opinion that there are reasonable grounds for believing that the safety or welfare of the applicant or any dependent person so requires, it may, subject to section 7 , by order (in this Act referred to as a “safety order”) direct that the respondent to the application—
(a) shall not use or threaten to use violence against, molest or put in fear the applicant or that dependent person, and
(b) if he or she is residing at a place other than the place where the applicant or that dependent person resides, shall not watch or beset the place where the applicant or that dependent person resides,
and the court may make such order subject to such exceptions and conditions as it may specify.
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There is no requirement here not to reside at “a place other than the place…” if one was already residing there. An order that has someone move out is called a “barring order”, described by the next section of this law at http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1996/en/act/pub/0001/sec0003.html#sec3 .
There is a provision that “The court shall not make a safety order on an application for a barring order unless there is also an application for a safety order before the court concerning the same matter.” So a judge can’t just slap a safety order on as a compromise if the applicant wants to move the alleged abuser out. In that case the judge has to consider the situation and come to one decision or the other.
I could not find corroboration that emotional abuse is included (except the mentioning on the CI site), but I’ll find out, this stuff can be researched in person. I have no immediate connections re the US system, though. If you are saying that a US style restraining order always means moving the abuser out, then at least there is some clarity in place.
I agree it gives necessary leverage to the party that, while emotionally abused, is unable to move out on hir own because of children.
They couldn’t put the cookies out because it would lead to penis envy.