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Antifeminist DV guru Erin Pizzey: "If you are not in fear of your life, you are not suffering [from Domestic Violence]."

AVFM lifetime achievement award winner Erin Pizzey
AVFM lifetime achievement award winner Erin Pizzey

At A Voice for Men’s conference yesterday, antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey was given “a special award for her tireless work with ALL the victims of domestic violence.” Due to the amazing public relations work of AVFM’s spokeswoman for the conference, I don’t know what the award was called, so let’s just assume it was the World’s Greatest Erin Pizzey Award.

Whatever the award was called, the notion that Pizzey works, tirelessly or otherwise, on behalf of “ALL the victims of domestic violence” is demonstrably false. Indeed, she has argued vociferously against extending DV protection to all victims.

In an op-ed she wrote for The Daily Mail in 2011, Pizzey declared herself “horrified” that the British government would consider extending domestic violence protection to those subjected to “emotional bullying and ‘coercive control’” as well as actual physical abuse.

Her “argument” may be triggering for abuse survivors, so I’m putting all of her quotes below the jump.

Pizzey wrote:

In other words, if you stop your wife using the phone, you could be bracketed with a man who has knocked his wife’s teeth out in a rage.

In the future, couples who row, smashing precious belongings in a fit of anger perhaps, could seek to have their other half charged under domestic violence laws. Thus, too, wives who, for whatever reason, destroy their husband’s fine wine collection, or cut the sleeve off his suits in an act of revenge for some betrayal or slight, may find themselves charged with this most serious of crimes.

Domineering, bullying husbands who shout at their wives but never lift a finger to hurt them would find themselves in court.

Let me tell you: this is not domestic violence. It is an absurd idea to define such acts in that way, and worse, it serves to trivialise genuine cases of domestic abuse.

The new definition, which the government did indeed put in place in 2013, extended domestic violence and abuse to include

Any incident or pattern of incidents of controlling, coercive or threatening behaviour,  violence or abuse between those aged 16 or over who are or have been intimate partners or family members regardless of gender or sexuality.

The government spelled out clearly what they meant by “controlling” and “coercive” behavior. 

Controlling behaviour is: a range of acts designed to make a person subordinate and/or dependent by isolating them from sources of support, exploiting their resources and capacities for personal gain, depriving them of the means needed for independence, resistance and escape and regulating their everyday behaviour.

Coercive behaviour is: an act or a pattern of acts of assault, threats, humiliation and intimidation or other abuse that is used to harm, punish, or frighten their victim.”*

*This definition includes so called ‘honour’ based violence, female genital mutilation (FGM) and forced marriage, and is clear that victims are not confined to one gender or ethnic group.

There is no question, at least not to anyone who is serious about ending domestic violence and abuse, that “controlling, coercive or threatening behaviour” is abuse.

Why shouldn’t “domineering, bullying husbands who shout at their wives” in an attempt to control and coerce them be prosecuted for abuse? Why shouldn’t wives who do the same be prosecuted?

Pizzey not only argued against prosecuting those who bully their partners into submission through emotional, psychological, sexual or financial abuse. She also argued that most victims of domestic violence aren’t really legitimate victims either:

To me, the definition of domestic violence is quite clear: if you are not in fear of your life, you are not suffering it.

That’s right, the woman AVFM just honored as an advocate for “ALL victims of domestic violence” only considers actual physical violence to be domestic violence if the victim is literally afraid that they will be killed.

She continues:

In all other cases, where the aggression takes only an emotional form, or a few coffee cups have been chucked around, women in modern Britain thankfully have the option of finding a lawyer and choosing to separate from their husbands if they wish to do so.

The obvious point is that there is almost always clear evidence in domestic violence cases — bruises, cuts, internal organ damage or scars. Unless you have seen real, shocking abuse as I have, it is difficult to imagine some of the awful violence that people can inflict on each other in the home. And that’s why I’m convinced that bringing other, lesser, wrongs under this same legal umbrella does a great disservice to the women who really suffer.

How does protecting all victims of abuse do a disservice to those suffering the worst abuse? The police arrest people who assault as well as people who murder; this is hardly a “great disservice” to victims of murder.

Pizzey warns that the expanded definition “will turn millions of us into criminals.” She then makes a startling confession:

[A]fter all, I’ve been known in my time to lob the odd glass of wine in the heat of the moment. Indeed, there is something frightfully satisfying about chucking wine at somebody.

Yep. The woman who is A Voice for Men’s guru on domestic violence likes to chuck wine glasses at people. And apparently thinks this is a perfectly fine way to handle domestic disputes.

At this rate, we’ll all end up under arrest, and that is not a situation that’s going to help the police tackle the cases of true physical violence which must be stamped out.

Needless to say, the new definition, in place since April of last year, has not led to mass arrests of everyone in the U.K. If the new definition has put some wine-glass chuckers in jail, I can’t say I think this is a great injustice.

Pizzey declares that

People behave badly in relationships because we have human frailties. This is not an area in which the State should meddle; leave it to relationship counsellors and divorce lawyers.

Why shouldn’t the state “meddle” in cases of domestic abuse? The law doesn’t end at your door.

Pizzey winds up her op-ed by accusing those working against domestic violence – presumably she excludes herself – of being in it for money and power.

Over the past ten years, domestic violence has become a huge feminist industry. …

This is girls-only empire building, and it is highly lucrative at that. Men are not allowed to be employed at these organisations. Boys over the age of 12 are not allowed into safe houses where their mothers are staying, which I think is scandalous. …

Who benefits from this industry? Refuge has an annual income of more than £10 million from both public and private donations. Cherie Booth is a patron. The heads of these organisations are on very generous salaries.

And they are on a feminist mission to demonise men — even those who never have and never will hit a woman.

It’s appalling that this woman has gotten any kind of award.

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Gunter
Gunter
10 years ago

Don’t you know yet? EVERYTHING BELONGS TO THE KITTEHS! Beds, backs, and especially laptop keyboards, which Tinycat just used to send me to another page. But I can never stay mad at her; she is just the fluffiest little cutie! Yours are absolutely precious. :3

I always get annoyed with people who say dogs have more emotion/empathy than cats. I love doggies, of course, but Garagely is seriously damaged by what happened to her; she ended up rooming in my sister’s garage (hence her silly name) before I took her home with me after an intensive search to contact her owners. She gets terrified of being alone, and always needs reassurance and love. It’s sad, but also very sweet. But she is rather enormous…so there is the very real danger of being smothered by her love. 😀

kittehserf
10 years ago

I know, I know, we are Bad Parents Servants. 🙁

and especially laptop keyboards, which Tinycat just used to send me to another page

Ah, yes …

I so agree about people spouting that cats-aren’t-loving nonsense. Ours all have been, even Magnus the Monster. He loved him some cuddles, but obliging meant getting away from him really fast when he’d decided he’d had enough.

If you think Garagely is a silly name, how about Offie – short for Offlicense! No, I’ve no idea why he was named that, he was a lovely chap I looked after while flat-sitting years ago. He was one scary-looking feller – yes, that is a fang you can see on his jaw – but he was a sweetie.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Best stupid cat name ever – Stir-Fry, because as a kitten she tried to climb into a wok that contained a stir-fry in process.

kittehserf
10 years ago

LOL!

Gunter
Gunter
10 years ago

Wow, he is really distinctive looking! Very handsome. I think he knows it, too! Garagely’s berserk button is petting near her haunches. I need to get her checked at a vet; I think she might have developed arthritis. :

Garagely
Tinycat
McNugget

Hopefully I HTMLed correctly.

Gunter
Gunter
10 years ago

@cassandrakitty – Very nice! Hopefully she escaped unscathed. Apparently woks are one of the few things not owned/controlled by kittehs.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

That’s a classic “why must you follow me around with this odd blinky device, human?” look in the first picture.

Gunter
Gunter
10 years ago

She always has that face! She’s a bit of a weirdo. A lovable squishy one.

Well, it’s been fun, but I think I need to hit the hay. I hope to talk to you guys again soon!

kittehserf
10 years ago

Gunter, your kitties are sooooooooooooooooooo prettyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Niters! I should head to bed too, it’s nearly midnight.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

“What kind of restraining order could he apply for and on what basis would the restraining order be granted?”

Well the basis part is obvious — emotional abuse, beyond that idk, IANAL.

Kitty talk — only things here that don’t below to the cat? The stovetop, by her own choice — she’s a smart one, it has a light for when it’s hot and she learned the first time what it means, my father still hasn’t learned that light on = no touch! And the fish tanks, that one has taken some training, but letting her watch Puff has given the other fish a break and he’s not afraid of her, so it works (more like follows her ears the way he does live food…). Also, my plants, but she’s strangely never bothered them, despite them being in primo window spots, guess my other window is better since it can come with petting?

creepycupcake
creepycupcake
10 years ago

@ Ally s

I have always known that AVFM were contradictory.

Ally S
10 years ago

And that contradictory character entails that they aren’t sincere.

ramendik
10 years ago

>“What kind of restraining order could he apply for and on what basis would the restraining order be granted?”

>Well the basis part is obvious — emotional abuse, beyond that idk, IANAL.

At this point emotional abuse is only alleged by one side. There is no proof. What kind of restraining order can be reasonably made and how can it be enforced?

Again, I do agree emotional abuse is a serious problem (though I do NOT agree with the view that it is as overwhelmingly men-on-women as physical abuse), What I don’t understad is how authorities could deal with it realistically.

pecunium
10 years ago

How do you get the restraining order:

General methods

In Oregon

What is meant by “abuse”? If in the last 180 days, the person you wish to restrain has: physically injured you; or tried to physically injure you; or made you afraid that he or she was about to physically injure you or made you have sexual relations against your wishes by using force or threats of force. (Note that any time period in which the person who abused you was in jail or lived more than 100 miles from your home does not count as part of the 180-day period. This means you may still be able to get a restraining order even if it has been more than 180 days since you were abused.)

In California

Domestic violence is also called “abuse”. “Abuse” means to hurt, throw things, pull hair, follow, harass, sexually assault, murder, break into the victim’s home or work, destroy or steal the victim’s property, intimidate or to threaten to do any of these things. Abuse can be spoken, written, emotional or physical.

Calif. also allows for a “Civil Harassment Restraining Order:, which is fundamentally the same, except that one need not be in an intimate/familial relationship.

I am sure you could have done that, all by yourself.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I mean, it’s just too hard, right? So let’s not even try.

(Be less obvious, dude.)

scott1139
scott1139
10 years ago

So, ramendik is most likely posting in bad faith? Sorry if I’m asking the obvious–I’m not always good at detecting less-than-honest intentions.

Ally S
10 years ago

Yeah, I don’t think they’re posting in good faith.

scott1139
scott1139
10 years ago

Oh, okay. Thanks, Ally S.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Agreed. I answered at first because I thought maybe it was an honest, but clueless, question. The second question was into GOTCHA land, hence my “IANAL” and lack of googling.

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
10 years ago

I feel like I can construct a plausible theory on why most prominent MRM members get involved. I don’t understand Pizzey at all. I’ve read some articles about her that just confused me further. She has done real, practical work to help DV victims. But she seems to hate DV victims, or has an extremely narrow view of what constitutes a proper one. She doesn’t make sense to me.

scott1139
scott1139
10 years ago

Oops, I completely missed the acronym. XD I just looked it up, sorry. >_<

ramendik
10 years ago

To clarify, I am not in the United States, and have never been there. (Am in Ireland, originally from Russia).

Googling, for me, comes up with a lot of contradictory answers, probably because of divergent state legislation; notably, http://gmdvp.org/how-to-file-a-restraining-order/ explicitly says that emotional abuse is not covered by the restraining order process (in Massachusets). It also appears that emotional abuse is not included in the list of grounds for an Eergency Protection Order in Canada http://www.nsfamilylaw.ca/family-violence/general-information-domestic-violence/faqs#582

Thanks for the links. I now understand that a report from a medical professional is considered proof of emotional abuse. What I still could not find was coherent examples of what a restraining order might look like in this case, or any case studies.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Appears emotional abuse is covered by Irish law — http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/problems_in_marriages_and_other_relationships/barring_safety_and_protection_orders.html — but all I’ve got is google, just like you. That site has phone numbers and such, they might have more practical info.

Scott — “IANAL” you mean? XD No worries if so!

contrapangloss
10 years ago

A restraining order for emotional abuse looks the same as a restraining order for all other sorts of abuse.

Why is hat so hard to grasp?

Also, They are important. Emotional abuse can lead to physical abuse, or attempts at self-harm. Sometimes both. I’ve been to one of those calls. Don’t try to tell me that emotional abuse isn’t a thing, or that it’s too impractical to try and protect people from it.

Emotional abuse is abuse.

I’d rather people get help to escape emotional or physical abuse before I can get dispatched to clean up the aftermath. Restraining orders are good things, shelters are good things, carelines are good things; ambulances are good things, too, but no one should be abused so much that an ambulance becomes necessary.

No one should be abused, physically or emotionally, at all.

Don’t make it harder for them to get help.

ramendik
10 years ago
Reply to  contrapangloss

I *do* agree that emotional abuse is abuse and that it is a real issue. (I do, however, believe that the gender ratio in emotional abuse is much closer to even than in physical abuse; see for example http://www.theupperdeck.com/dr-claudia-cornell-on-the-emotional-abuse-of-men-by-women/ . But any proper law has to be gender-neutral anyway, covering all directions and also same-gender couples).

What I don’t exactly understand is how a restraining order is supposed to work in cases of emotional abuse. Unless of course one goes all the way creating an order for a spouse to leave the home.

The Irish situation is rather curious – the Citizens Information site does say something about emotional abuse but the cited law does not say anything. In general terms it desceibes two forms – a “safety order” barring violence or threats of violence, and a “barring order” that also makes the abuser leave the home.

A barring order is clear enough, but, if one gets a safety order and emotional abuse (belittling, constant criticism) is considered violence for the purpose of the law, we get back to the question of proof. Just how does the abused party prove that the abuser has violated the order? One can no longer rely on the medical professional as one’s emotional state might have gone further down for a ot of reasons, not necessarily continuation of the emotional abuse. Should the abused party then use recording equipment in all communication?

(Actually, I think it’s a good idea about recording equipment. What I don’t know is ehwther it’s used in real cases).

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