If anyone feels compelled to discuss the AVFM conference, do it here.
I’ll post links to any articles and blog posts and interesting tweets and pretty much anything of note I see about it; if you run across any, feel free to post them in the comments and I can add them to the post.
Here’s the live audio stream for the conference, which is off the air. And the video stream, which isn’t working at the moment. Apparently they’ve packed up for the day. (Friday, that is.)
There was no protest, as the organizers of the earlier protest called for a boycott
The official twitter hashtag is #icmi14. For some wonderful Janet Bloomfield PR professionalism, see @JudgyBitch1 and @icmi14.
Highlights so far:
A Detroit MetroTimes reporter says he was literally molested at the conference:
An older man came up to me and immediately complimented my hairy arms (a first). He then started telling me all this crazy shit about how he was from California and he makes movies and he wants to take me to Malibu. Regardless of sexual orientation, it was pretty weird. People started filling up the seats around us and I didn’t want to make a scene, so I just politely accepted the compliment and tried to deflect. The dude kept petting my arms.
It was at this point that I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day. A part of me wondered if the feminists had planted this guy to hit on rape-apologizing MRAs to teach them a lesson about “rape culture.” If that is the case: well-played. Unfortunately I think I was just dealing with a garden-variety creep.
HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISM! On Twitter, several others said they’d also had, er, encounters with this guy.
Here’s Janet Bloomfield’s response:
Paul Elam saddened to turn away a clearly troubled man in search of human contact because of accusations of "molestation" from MSM #icim14
— AVfM Conference 2014 (@icmi14) June 27, 2014
Sworebytheprecious, despite donating the cost of a ticket to charity, has not been let into the conference, despite assurances from Dean Esmay that she would be. Here’s her twitter feed, and her explanation of what happened on Reddit.
i put on my nice heels, a dress, and did my hair and makeup. the lyft was called and i arrived promptly at 3. my breath tight, i introduced myself to the police and to security. inside was a small table, two chairs, a man and a woman. i noticed a small vaporizer on the desk. we used the same tank.
i introduced myself by first name and last name, not knowing if Esmay had put my name down. last i heard i was not allowed on the premises even with a ticket and a video declaring me welcome. no matter who i was reporting for, but it doesn’t hurt to ask. if anything else i wanted to make myself available to the MRA. im still here.
a very large, gruff man appeared and quickly asked me to leave. his bass carried. he looked like Esmay. i asked why i should leave, was cut off, and he repeated himself in a louder voice still. i thanked everyone for their time and exited the building. i took one single photo as proof i was there, and quietly left. the cops followed me out and seemed curiously bemused by my presence. i wondered who they expected.
Janet Bloomfield had this to say about Swore’s treatment:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482599155986997249
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608296222662657
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608815758528514
Follow the links to Twitter to see even more from JB along those lines.
I will post more as I find it.
UPDATE 1:
AnimalNewYork.com has a report with a number of quotes from last night’s press conference. The reporter also quotes a St. Clair Shores police officer saying that no specific threats have been made against the conference.
By the time yesterday’s planned 3pm “press conference” got going 25 minutes late, there were only about 30 people in the audience, most (but not all) white middle-aged men. A handful of them were reporters. The rest were true believers in a “War on Men.” There was a disco ball in the center of the hall, draped with white paper streamers.
“Point the camera that way and that way only,” said one of the three security guards armed with superfluous walkie talkies, reprimanding someone taking video footage of the attendees, which was prohibited. The organizers introduced the speakers at great lengths, taking pride in their various appearances on Fox News. A Voice For Men founder and conference organizer Paul Elam stated that the cop cars parked outside were there because of more death threats. ”I’m getting tired of the death threats,” shouted a staff member.
Outside, I spoke to St. Clair Shores Officer David Burmeister about the alleged death threats. He said that no specific threats have been made at all. The cops were contracted to be there by A Voice For Men. It appeared that they weren’t there to protect them from specific and imminent danger, but to give the illusion of it.
Hmm.
Holy shit, Anne.
The safest place for Busband’s mum most certainly was not. He was a cop; he beat her often, in front of the kids; he pulled his gun on her; he suffered no consequences in court. He told his cop buddies that yeah, he beat her up, but she was ‘crazy’. He wasn’t fired, he just couldn’t advance in rank (in name… they still raised his pay). Years later, Busband got pulled over for a traffic violation and the cop recognized his name and said ‘Oh you’re John’s son! Your mum was a crazy bitch!’ and Busband just had to keep his mouth shut.
Incidentally, he had nothing to do with either of his sons after the divorce, and only kept in contact with Busband’s school to make sure he was attending… bc if Busband wasn’t attending, he could stop paying child support (which they had to take him to court several times to get in the first place)
Considering one of the most likely threats to a woman is her intimate partner, no, Stupid, it really isn’t.
damselindetech: Those are excellent tweets.
I’m just using the #icmi14 #wecareaboutmen hashtags. If they’re used by MRAs to spread positive messages, I am 100% ok with that.
As a feminist activist who actually does stuff IRL to try to improve peoples’ lives, a waste of resources like this conference pisses me right the fuck off. You’ve got the fucking opportunity, attention, platform and the money, people. Fucking do something useful! *rage gurgle*
Thanks Tracy for the conference link!
I was watching WTF talk about the performance of girls and boys…
Apparently, if boys do better than girl it’s because they’re superior.
But if girls outperform boy, it’s because the system is biased in favor of girls.
Hm.
* performance at school, that is.
damselindetech, I left a copy of your comment and idea over at Pharyngula’s Lounge & Thunderdome, I hope that is okay. I thought some of the folks over there might want to jump in as well. I just looked in on Twitter and saw your tweets, I think it is a great idea.
damselindetech — that is a wonderful idea! I love it!
it gets more and more obvious that most MRAs havent even bothered to read ANYTHING outside of their reality bubble on the topic of feminism (or basic human decency)
which isn’t surprising when its “intellectual” leaders admit they dont read books.
Hi Argenti! I acquired a new 20 gallon fish tank this last weekend and thought of you! It came with fish (students were moving out of town and couldn’t drive the tank up to their new school). It has ghost tetras and a bala shark. I’m worried it is too small of a tank for the bala, what do you think? (And great to see you commenting around!)
damselindetech – AMR moderator speaking. Do you mind if I post this idea in AMR? You’ll get full credit. 🙂
@yazikus – That’s great! Let’s get something constructive and positive going. If they won’t use their platform for good, we can go on and do it for them. As Paulllelem likes to put it, their consent is not required. *scrubs self down with 40-grit sandpaper for typing that*
@Alice Sanguinaria – do it to it! Let’s blow up the tag with positivity!
I’m gonna go read a thesaurus. I’m feeling repetitive repetitive.
After WTF’s talk at the press conference, I am eagerly looking forward to the MRA advocating for paid parental leave in the US. We’ll see if that happens. I honestly hope it does, bc that would be a huge success and have a positive impact! Try it, MRM!
@damselindetech that’s an awesome idea. I only use Twitter for business, otherwise I’d take part… anything we can do on Facebook?
Listening to the interminable press conference, it appears that WF’s story about John Lennon is about how one of WF’s male support groups gave him the courage to stay home his second child, and that his “second wife” was very supportive.
It is still mind-blowing, because it’s possibly the longest, most shameless name drop in the history of spoken language. WF pretty much says that JL told him that WF’s efforts changed his life. I can’t even.
I didn’t mention the false modesty. He is beyond smarmy. You could oil furniture with him.
damselindetech – Done. Let’s do this thing!
So three security guards, plus a cop cruiser out the front…
How much of the $30k raised for “security” went towards that, d’you reckon?
And more importantly, how much was left over?
I don’t twitter, but I definitely think posting sites that actually help guys is a great idea. I don’t care if they know feminists are posting it. It’s just too sad that men and boys in need might turn to MRM to look for help and then not find anything at all but people being called “manginas” and “whores” or men being told to feel sorry for other men who glom on them with no respect for their personal boundaries or men telling them that people raped while drunk just have “buyers remorse”.
Trigger Warning: Rape apology by a rapist
Alot of the things these MRAs tell women, like that rape is just a healthy expression of male sexuality etc. are the same things male victims are told. One male victim of child molestation I know was told by his rapist, “I wouldn’t have to do this to you if I had a girlfriend”. These guys hate women, but they are hurting victims of every gender. I don’t think they are confused about this. I think it is a feature, not a bug. There are rape advocates, not defenders of male victims.
“Alot of the things these MRAs tell women, like that rape is just a healthy expression of male sexuality etc. are the same things male victims are told.”
You’ve never heard an MRA make such a statement. Buy do keep on lying.
Brain bleach time!
Whether you like dogs or cats, this should strike your fancy. Also, notice the protective coloration going on in that house.
Someone on twitter posted a link to an article on his blog about how “the lliot Rodger affair has exposed just how far people will go and how far and fast lies will spread in order to attack the MHRA”
He has something to say about satire:
Really, dude?
Or maybe that ,right there, is satire and I’m “without humour”?