If anyone feels compelled to discuss the AVFM conference, do it here.
I’ll post links to any articles and blog posts and interesting tweets and pretty much anything of note I see about it; if you run across any, feel free to post them in the comments and I can add them to the post.
Here’s the live audio stream for the conference, which is off the air. And the video stream, which isn’t working at the moment. Apparently they’ve packed up for the day. (Friday, that is.)
There was no protest, as the organizers of the earlier protest called for a boycott
The official twitter hashtag is #icmi14. For some wonderful Janet Bloomfield PR professionalism, see @JudgyBitch1 and @icmi14.
Highlights so far:
A Detroit MetroTimes reporter says he was literally molested at the conference:
An older man came up to me and immediately complimented my hairy arms (a first). He then started telling me all this crazy shit about how he was from California and he makes movies and he wants to take me to Malibu. Regardless of sexual orientation, it was pretty weird. People started filling up the seats around us and I didn’t want to make a scene, so I just politely accepted the compliment and tried to deflect. The dude kept petting my arms.
It was at this point that I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day. A part of me wondered if the feminists had planted this guy to hit on rape-apologizing MRAs to teach them a lesson about “rape culture.” If that is the case: well-played. Unfortunately I think I was just dealing with a garden-variety creep.
HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISM! On Twitter, several others said they’d also had, er, encounters with this guy.
Here’s Janet Bloomfield’s response:
Paul Elam saddened to turn away a clearly troubled man in search of human contact because of accusations of "molestation" from MSM #icim14
— AVfM Conference 2014 (@icmi14) June 27, 2014
Sworebytheprecious, despite donating the cost of a ticket to charity, has not been let into the conference, despite assurances from Dean Esmay that she would be. Here’s her twitter feed, and her explanation of what happened on Reddit.
i put on my nice heels, a dress, and did my hair and makeup. the lyft was called and i arrived promptly at 3. my breath tight, i introduced myself to the police and to security. inside was a small table, two chairs, a man and a woman. i noticed a small vaporizer on the desk. we used the same tank.
i introduced myself by first name and last name, not knowing if Esmay had put my name down. last i heard i was not allowed on the premises even with a ticket and a video declaring me welcome. no matter who i was reporting for, but it doesn’t hurt to ask. if anything else i wanted to make myself available to the MRA. im still here.
a very large, gruff man appeared and quickly asked me to leave. his bass carried. he looked like Esmay. i asked why i should leave, was cut off, and he repeated himself in a louder voice still. i thanked everyone for their time and exited the building. i took one single photo as proof i was there, and quietly left. the cops followed me out and seemed curiously bemused by my presence. i wondered who they expected.
Janet Bloomfield had this to say about Swore’s treatment:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482599155986997249
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608296222662657
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608815758528514
Follow the links to Twitter to see even more from JB along those lines.
I will post more as I find it.
UPDATE 1:
AnimalNewYork.com has a report with a number of quotes from last night’s press conference. The reporter also quotes a St. Clair Shores police officer saying that no specific threats have been made against the conference.
By the time yesterday’s planned 3pm “press conference” got going 25 minutes late, there were only about 30 people in the audience, most (but not all) white middle-aged men. A handful of them were reporters. The rest were true believers in a “War on Men.” There was a disco ball in the center of the hall, draped with white paper streamers.
“Point the camera that way and that way only,” said one of the three security guards armed with superfluous walkie talkies, reprimanding someone taking video footage of the attendees, which was prohibited. The organizers introduced the speakers at great lengths, taking pride in their various appearances on Fox News. A Voice For Men founder and conference organizer Paul Elam stated that the cop cars parked outside were there because of more death threats. ”I’m getting tired of the death threats,” shouted a staff member.
Outside, I spoke to St. Clair Shores Officer David Burmeister about the alleged death threats. He said that no specific threats have been made at all. The cops were contracted to be there by A Voice For Men. It appeared that they weren’t there to protect them from specific and imminent danger, but to give the illusion of it.
Hmm.
@brooked
Yeah, I was wondering where that one came from…but never found an external source, so I guess it’s just from her head.
She seemed to be using her personal account to pick fights, then using the official account to make the names/tweets more public. Now it looks like she is confused as to which account she is logged in to, because the official accoun is trolling and the personal account is posting more official stuff…
Oh goodness, I lost myself in that tangled mess. Fiancé and I are kicked back with some cake and the X-Files, watching it unfold.
I feel like there needs to be a poop fairy. I might crochet one, just for fun.
Has anyone thought that the ‘creeper’ just naturally assumed since this was mostly a man’s group who has a notorious reputation for hating women that he thought it was attended by gay men?
well, at least the attendees had plenty of room to spread their legs and air out their dangly bits. very thoughtful of the organizers to provide such an open-seating arrangement.
😉
As someone who lives in suburban Detroit, I feel the need to point out that SCS is more of an inner ring suburb than an outer ring suburb 🙂
Hope you enjoyed the waterfront at least!
Tigerbos: or maybe he just assumed that all the Rules they espouse about ignoring other people’s boundaries and personal space applied to interactions with other men as well as with women.
I’m getting really sick of hearing “false flag!” the moment someone attached to a viewpoint does something that makes the movement look bad in the press.
Elam said the creepy guy touched the back of his hair and then said, snappily referring to the Detroit metro article, ‘I didn’t consider him a MOLESTER!’ He was just a man that needed some attention.
Way to go Elam: It’s ok if men don’t keep their hands to themselves.
That sucks that Dark Horse couldn’t get in. I knew they would pull some bs because they were sad facing that no feminist protest occurred.
Elam is asking for more money from conference goers. his grubbing knows no bounds
What the fuck is his excuse for that now?
Is this supposed to make us feel… something? Like ‘oh noes we thought we were mocking but really we’re helping, oh noes’
Seriously JB, you’re being weird. And ineffective. Try tweeting helpful resources for the men attending the conference. Or updates. Or anything that would give the impression you’re doing this to actually help men. Or… at least google ‘how to do PR’ or something. Like, TRY.
So JudgyB decided to argue against feminist claiming that the MRM is sexist using, as evidence, Matt Forney comparing women to children. She does this by comparing women to children.
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482684992368033792
Yes, I feel the love pouring off her.
@gorillaella
Do you have more information about that?
I’ll start hunting around but any info you have on hand would be appreciated.
About @icmi14: Official event accounts do not represent individual people. So you’re never supposed to use them to share your individual thoughts and opinions. I’m an amateur and even I know this.
AVFM has posted full video of the press conference. It’s over 2.5 hours.
wordsp1nner – seriously, she does not know how to argue. You don’t argue the idea that you’re not sexist by calling women “children”. That’s not how it works.
Doesn’t hate women.
Compares women to children.
JB can’t internet.
@katz but they’re all about the freeze peach! No official Twitter account PC tweets for them! They keep it real!
What a self-aggrandising mess that press-conference is.
So about Mr. Grabby:
Was his behavior clearly over the line, and therefor the work of a plant, or the harmless actions of a lonely old man, who should be allowed to do it to everybody he pleases, and if it upsets you, you have no empathy? The MRAs don’t know, but he certainly wasn’t a MRA and a harasser–that’s unpossible.
@judgybitch
Ok, sure will! You keep up that awesome PR, good buddy.
Highfive!
So would JB then suggest that women shouldn’t raise children, seeing as they are but mere children themselves?
If Mr. Grabbyhands wasn’t molesting anyone, just being friendly, why’d Elam boot him? That’s pretty mean. He’s just lonely!
Can you imagine how JB is raising her kids to behave?
::shudders::
Although the whole “all publicity is good publicity” stance does seem a bit weird when you won’t let people that might disagree with you into the conference. Wouldn’t they just be generating sweet sweet pageviews with whatever they publish?
Would it help JB if we left some examples of helpful tweets?
“If you or someone you know are feeling down or possibly suicidal, there is help available: #800273TALK #suicide #menshealth ##icmi14”
“If a man or boy in your life discloses they’ve been sexually assaulted, believe them. #icmi14 #malesurvivors #wecareaboutmen”
“Men, your mental and physical health are important. Make annual visits to your GP, and get help when you’re hurting #icmi14 #wecareaboutmen”
You know what? I’m just gonna hop on Twitter and add these myself. Let’s see if we can get something productive and positive going.
That is actually a pretty cool idea, what hashtag would you use so that people know these pro-men tweets are coming from feminists?