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AVFM Conference Open Thread: One journalist says he was molested; another was called "whore" by AVFM PR rep

The capacity crowd at the conference; from Metrotimes.
The capacity crowd at the press conference at the AVFM conference; from Metrotimes.

If anyone feels compelled to discuss the AVFM conference, do it here.

I’ll post links to any articles and blog posts and interesting tweets and pretty much anything of note I see about it; if you run across any, feel free to post them in the comments and I can add them to the post.

Here’s the live audio stream for the conference, which is off the air. And the video stream, which isn’t working at the moment. Apparently they’ve packed up for the day. (Friday, that is.)

There was no protest, as the organizers of the earlier protest called for a boycott

The official twitter hashtag is #icmi14. For some wonderful Janet Bloomfield PR professionalism, see @JudgyBitch1 and @icmi14.

Highlights so far:

A Detroit MetroTimes reporter says he was literally molested at the conference:

An older man came up to me and immediately complimented my hairy arms (a first). He then started telling me all this crazy shit about how he was from California and he makes movies and he wants to take me to Malibu. Regardless of sexual orientation, it was pretty weird. People started filling up the seats around us and I didn’t want to make a scene, so I just politely accepted the compliment and tried to deflect. The dude kept petting my arms.

It was at this point that I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day. A part of me wondered if the feminists had planted this guy to hit on rape-apologizing MRAs to teach them a lesson about “rape culture.” If that is the case: well-played. Unfortunately I think I was just dealing with a garden-variety creep.

HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISM! On Twitter, several others said they’d also had, er, encounters with this guy.

Here’s Janet Bloomfield’s response:

Sworebytheprecious, despite donating the cost of a ticket to charity, has not been let into the conference, despite assurances from Dean Esmay that she would be. Here’s her twitter feed, and her explanation of what happened on Reddit.

i put on my nice heels, a dress, and did my hair and makeup. the lyft was called and i arrived promptly at 3. my breath tight, i introduced myself to the police and to security. inside was a small table, two chairs, a man and a woman. i noticed a small vaporizer on the desk. we used the same tank.

i introduced myself by first name and last name, not knowing if Esmay had put my name down. last i heard i was not allowed on the premises even with a ticket and a video declaring me welcome. no matter who i was reporting for, but it doesn’t hurt to ask. if anything else i wanted to make myself available to the MRA. im still here.

a very large, gruff man appeared and quickly asked me to leave. his bass carried. he looked like Esmay. i asked why i should leave, was cut off, and he repeated himself in a louder voice still. i thanked everyone for their time and exited the building. i took one single photo as proof i was there, and quietly left. the cops followed me out and seemed curiously bemused by my presence. i wondered who they expected.

Janet Bloomfield had this to say about Swore’s treatment:

https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482599155986997249

https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608296222662657

https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608815758528514

Follow the links to Twitter to see even more from JB along those lines.

I will post more as I find it.

UPDATE 1:

AnimalNewYork.com has a report with a number of quotes from last night’s press conference. The reporter also quotes a St. Clair Shores police officer saying that no specific threats have been made against the conference.

By the time yesterday’s planned 3pm “press conference” got going 25 minutes late, there were only about 30 people in the audience, most (but not all) white middle-aged men. A handful of them were reporters. The rest were true believers in a “War on Men.” There was a disco ball in the center of the hall, draped with white paper streamers.

“Point the camera that way and that way only,” said one of the three security guards armed with superfluous walkie talkies, reprimanding someone taking video footage of the attendees, which was prohibited. The organizers introduced the speakers at great lengths, taking pride in their various appearances on Fox News. A Voice For Men founder and conference organizer Paul Elam stated that the cop cars parked outside were there because of more death threats. ”I’m getting tired of the death threats,” shouted a staff member.

Outside, I spoke to St. Clair Shores Officer David Burmeister about the alleged death threats. He said that no specific threats have been made at all. The cops were contracted to be there by A Voice For Men. It appeared that they weren’t there to protect them from specific and imminent danger, but to give the illusion of it.

Hmm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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sparky
sparky
7 years ago

Well, so much for that whole “No trash talking women” thing.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
7 years ago

I honestly expect that the VFW will have more people at bingo night than at this shitshow

FrieVonFrieburger
FrieVonFrieburger
7 years ago

Didn’t take them long to give that up, did it? :/

WatermelonSugar
WatermelonSugar
7 years ago

I followed on twitter. Amazing PR wizard JudgyBitch seemed to spend most conference time picking fights and retweeting opponents on the official handle and her personal one. That doesn’t seem like the most effective use of time, but whatever, I guess.

She did tweet some conference stuff. I don’t know how to link stuff here, but this one stood out to me:
“Barbara Kay: LGBT community is a branch office of feminism #icim14”

#probsshouldnottweetthatwhenyouretryingtogetLGBTsupport

damselindetech
7 years ago

That’s some good human rights activism right thur.

mask
mask
7 years ago

Ive only listen for 23 minutes…and gosh the group is really nuts. Glad to see that they are been picked apart by this awsome community and others.

katz
7 years ago

A PR person who calls people whores on publicly viewable media. Human rights movement!

Toolbox
Toolbox
7 years ago

Erin Pizzey: As the feminists organized themselves, and they are extremely highly-organized, they moved into every… they feminized the judiciary, they feminized all the service agencies, schools, universities, and now we see 40 years of wreckage above us.

That honestly sounds like the narration to a Sci-Fi horror movie.

yutolia
yutolia
7 years ago

Maybe the MRAs tricked the feMRAs into doing the trash talking so that they could claim that all women are the ones who are misogynists and not them? Who knows…

damselindetech
7 years ago

I’ve said this many times before, but I think it begs repeating – have seriously none of the people involved in M(H)RM taken any marketing or PR courses? I’m sure they can find some to be taken online for a relatively low cost.

The first course I’d recommend: “So you want to be taken seriously as a human rights organization? Maybe you should use your official accounts to call people cunts and whores… 101.”

The second course, “So you’ve been using your official accounts to call people cunts and whores and your followers have called you out on it. How to react, and not double-down with the insults and slurs… 102”

The third course, “Seriously, we’ve spent over 100 hours telling you ways to get your messaging across and none of our advice included calling people cunts and whores. Why the fuck are you wasting your money and our time if you are just going to keep calling people cunts and whores and don’t see a single problem with it?… 103”

ZombieBear
ZombieBear
7 years ago

Is it just me or do the MRM have the worst PR ever. OF ALL TIME. I have seen modern Nazi’s with better PR then these guys have. Is not the point of hiring someone to take care of your twitter to prove the group is not bullshit? This is almost anti-PR.

katz
7 years ago

I followed on twitter. Amazing PR wizard JudgyBitch seemed to spend most conference time picking fights and retweeting opponents on the official handle and her personal one. That doesn’t seem like the most effective use of time, but whatever, I guess.

Telling, isn’t it? Normally a PR person would spend their time explaining what the movement was about, what they’re doing, and why you should care, and when a big event is happening, there should be no shortage of material for her. But that never even occurs to her; she honestly thinks that attacking people she doesn’t like is What PR People Do.

Toolbox
Toolbox
7 years ago

[blockquote]In 69 percent of media portrayals of men are negative. They are seen as rapists, perverts, weirdos and just mean. If you want men to do the responsible thing, you need to make it a more appealing proposition.[/blockquote]

Helen Smith needs to watch more movies.

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
7 years ago

Is it appropriate to have the name of the (alleged) creeper shown in this site’s comments? I understand someone else tweeted this information, but it seems to me his name should be blurred if his picture is linked here.

damselindetech
7 years ago

@Toolbox – if you take into account that the media overwhelmingly covers men as good guys, bad guys, bystanders, background noise, etc, then maybe she’s right but for the wrong reasons. 😛

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

I don’t know how I feel about the alleged creeper being outed here.

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

Thank you, David. I felt very uneasy about that.

sadiesummer
7 years ago

Really men are seen as negative in the media that often? Men are almost always the hero/lead role on tv, movies, comics, etc. -_-

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Here are some photos of Dr. Tara Palmatier’s slideshow by Adam Serwer:

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/482561932235243520
https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/482560691790827521

Some people literally can’t communicate without expressing maximal contempt for women, it seems. There was also this roster of Honey Badger quotes:

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/482617659972792320

sadiesummer
7 years ago

didn’t they no woman bashing allowed at the conference LOL

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Paul Elam saddened to turn away a clearly troubled man in search of human contact because of accusations of “molestation” from MSM #icim14

Funny how they can’t even talk about a man violating other men’s personal space at their own conference without casting him as a victim and using scare quotes to cast doubt. But they’re all about counteracting “victim mentality”.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

JB tweeted 2hrs ago:

Love matters. Love is what makes a great parent. Not gender. Love. Feminists don’t think men can love. #icim14

What the actual fuck?
Is she that misinformed or just that dishonest?

Feminism is literally a movement that says that no gender is inherently more nurturing than another. It is patriarchy that says women are meant to be nurturers rather than men.

How can she even think making these claims makes her and her “movement” look anything but comically dishonest and willfully stupid?

That hastag is hilarious. Y’all have got to check it out.

Meanwhile, can’t you just feel the love in JB’s tweets?

Toolbox
Toolbox
7 years ago

I sure am glad there’s no offensive comments about women being made…

And again with the ‘negative’ husband portrayals. It’s funny because American Dad is in the background just now, and the wife is the dumb one there.

damselindetech
7 years ago

WE CARE ABOUT MEN!!!! Now let’s talk about how horrible women are for taking pictures of themselves, using an example of an underaged girl and then accuse people of creep-shaming for calling us out on the example.

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

If there’s no evidence this guy did anything wrong, why’d they turf him and, if there is, why are we supposed to feel sorry for him? Either way, lame.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Moral panic created by #rapeculture aided by main stream media who ignore buyer’s remorse from women who engaged in drunk sex. #icim14

Pricless. Keep talking MRAssholes. Don’t ever change, unless you go away. Going away works for me.

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
7 years ago

From what I’ve gathered, the “ur so rapey lol” pic is a private selfie of Miley Cyrus when she was thirteen or so. The only reason AVfM has this picture to use is that someone else illegally disseminated it.

That’s a layer of gross, covered with hate, topped off with unethical, and then another sprinkling of gross on it.

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

Why is JudgyB speaking on behalf of feminists?

The whole goddamn point of feminism is gender equality. That would mean women are capable of writing software and men are capable of nurturing.

Seriously, did she just pull that out of her ass? Feminists don’t think men can love whaaaaaa?

I am and have been loved by many a good man, JB. You don’t speak for me or feminists in general. The fact you’re awful as are your colleagues needn’t imply I think men are awful in general.

Toolbox
Toolbox
7 years ago

It looks like the results I’d get if I asked a 13-year-old to make me a slide-show on why girls suck.

Robert
Robert
7 years ago

JB’s delightful tweets somehow remind me of Edina Monsoon’s line, “I PR things, darling!”

I think Patsy would be a better choice for PRing things than JB.

WatermelonSugar
WatermelonSugar
7 years ago

I feel kind of like a jerk for even calling this out because I have dyslexia and it’s totally a mistake I would make once or twice, but I am also not the PR guru of a hate speech factory and JB makes the mistake with frequency:

It is #icmi14, not #icim14. If you’re trying to brand and trend your hate, at least get the hashtag right.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
7 years ago

On the bright side, AVFM is going to get their asses kicked in the press. It was thoughtful of them to invite so many journalists.

tealily
tealily
7 years ago

Wow. That’s a hell of a turnout they have.

strivingally
7 years ago

Also, the disgusting hypocrisy of not allowing recording of the attendees when AVfM thinks doxxing is a legit tactic makes me mad. So posting bounties on the personal information of people who criticise you (not even try to shut you down, just use their right to free speech unflatteringly in your direction!) so your followers can “fuck their shit up” is all hunky-dory, but seeing the faces of the men dedicated to this so-called human rights movement is unconscionable? I don’t even.

@auntiealias:
Feminist conspiracy! All a plot to make the conference look bad! But seriously, I think the boycott did AVfM a favour … it would’ve been embarrassing had the protesters outnumbered the attendees. 😀

brooked
brooked
7 years ago

JudgeyB is always gonna JudgeyB, but she really outdid herself with her epic PR work. Her Tweeter feed is hilarious and hair-raising, I’m guessing she listens to a lot of right wing talk radio and doesn’t realize that most people aren’t invested in that sort of brainless ideological verbal combat.

judgybitch
7 years ago

Yay! Please keep this thread running for as long as possible. Your work is very important to us and we appreciate your support.

Lol!

girlscientist
girlscientist
7 years ago

Has JB been drinking? She seems*much* worse than usual, as if she’s let go of even the pretense of acting like an adult. Most teenagers have more poise and self-control than that.

tinyorc
7 years ago

As someone who maintains a Twitter account as part of my job at a large human rights-based organization, I just… wow. Just wow. This

I mean, there are a small number organizations that use inflammatory tactics to their advantage, even though most people find it reprehensible (PETA springs to mind). But the key here is consistency. What’s funny about AVfM is that half the time they are trying to maintain their so human rights, such official, very professionalism, wow facade, and then they’ve got their PR manager calling a journalist a whore for trying to attend their conference and it’s just like WAT R U DOIN PLZ LEARN HOW TO INTERNET.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
7 years ago

I suppose I, and everyone here, already knew this, but the circus of stupid around this conference just drove it home.

MRAs’ stupid actions seem irrational in that the means they choose don’t match their stated ends. JB’s “PR” is a great example. Being hateful fucks doesn’t help men. Even if you want to attack feminism, calling people whores just makes it easier for people to dismiss you.

But, really, the hate itself is their end goal. They hate women, they enjoy hating women. Hate is fun. The whole confused ideological edifice they’ve constructed is only to justify their hatred; so they can see themselves as the victims rather than the victimizers. They’re fighting the good fight against false accusers rather than kicking people that have survived traumatic experiences.

It’s not that their hate is an ineffective way to achieve their goal of helping men, it’s that their bullshit talk about helping men is effective in allowing them to wallow in their hate.

KathleenB
KathleenB
7 years ago

So, judgybitch, do you think that calling women who disagree with you or with the overall AVFM message sexist slurs is the way to bring good publicity for said message? Especially since conference attendees were told in advance not to trash talk women?

KathleenB
KathleenB
7 years ago

And jsyk, JB, I’m neither a slut nor a whore, but an honorably married woman (13 years in May!). So you’re gonna have to get a bit more creative if you feel the need to cast slurs in my direction.

magnesium
magnesium
7 years ago

With regards to the Metro Times article,

It was at this point that I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day. A part of me wondered if the feminists had planted this guy to hit on rape-apologizing MRAs to teach them a lesson about “rape culture.” If that is the case: well-played. Unfortunately I think I was just dealing with a garden-variety creep.

Um, no. Teaching people a lesson by sexually harassing them would not be a particularly feminist thing to do.

Farrell then told an anecdote where he met a man who was depressed by the fact that he couldn’t take time off from his job to be with his son — he was afraid to ask his wife if that was a possibility. It was only after talking to this man for an hour that Farrell realized he was talking to John Lennon.

Interesting. All the more interesting considering John Lennon is known to have been physically abusive towards both of his wives (and he admitted it). I’m sure, though, that he was definitely afraid to ask them for time off from his music career that they were secretly in charge of.

JB has to be the worst PR person in the history of PR people. She can’t string together two sentences without screaming “whore” and “cunt” as if she’s in a constant state of foul mouthed toddler tantrum. What a sad life she and this Lauren woman have. Having to trade their dignity in exchange for head pats from the men who are only using them must be so draining.

strivingally
7 years ago

So JB, what was the attendance? 30? 40?

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
7 years ago

It guess I shouldn’t be surprised that Fidelbogen commented, “The creepy dude at the conference was eventually booted out of there. The consensus is, that he was planted in order to provoke an incident.” Everything is a freaking conspiracy with these guys.

WatermelonSugar
WatermelonSugar
7 years ago

JB continues the “whore” tirade (her whore score is three!) on twitter and accidentally linked to the wrong David Futrelle. I hope the poor guy doesn’t have to deal with any MRA trolling.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
7 years ago

Ouch. Poor guy.

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

Those chairs look decidedly hard, actually.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

Those chairs look decidedly hard, actually.

More feminist conspiracy!

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