Sometimes I hunt the misogyny, sometimes it wanders up right up to me and says hello.
Today’s post is an example of the latter. Below, a slightly edited comment that someone left for me this morning. It’s a response to a post of mine about a dreadful post on Return of Kings in which a fellow calling himself Billy Chubbs argued, with absolutely no evidence, that a recent high school shooter was driven to murder because of his “probable sexual frustration,” Chubbs went on to argue that young women are “selfish” because they don’t have sex with guys they’re not attracted to.
Anyway, my new commenter – posting under the name “whogoesthere?” – thinks that I and the other commenters here were being too hard on Chubbs’ “very good argument.” And so he deposited this giant rant, which in many ways is even scarier than Chubbs’ original.
He’s a tad verbose, so I’ve trimmed out some stuff that isn’t relevant to his general, er, thesis. And I’ve also taken the liberty of adding a few paragraph breaks and bolding a few of the best (i.e. worst) bits.
When men don’t get the women they want they turn to violence.
Not a good start here, because this just isn’t true. In this case, the phrase “not all men” is, for once, appropriate. Most men don’t get violent when they’re turned down.
This is established all over the animal kingdom and offers a good example about how it applies to humans, that snotty girls who keep their sexual treasures to all but a few males cause the remaining males to snap. …
Animals do all sorts of things that humans don’t do, and we can’t always learn from their behavior or assume that it relates to our own lives.
Or maybe the Evo Psych crew is just looking at the wrong animals. When banana slugs can’t find a partner to have sex with, they simply fertilize themselves. There’s a lesson here, I think, for the angry incels of the world: you can’t always get what you want, and when you can’t, sex with yourself is better than murder.
High school is a massively sexually charged winner take all environment. … Today’s high school is basically an ongoing audition for a porno video and the guys and girls who don’t make the cut can only sit at home and masturbate.
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It’s demeaning and hits a major blow to a person’s sexual identity to not be invited to frolic with the beautiful people.
Somehow most people, regardless of gender, manage to survive even if they’re not frolicking with Charlize Theron and/or Channing Tatum.
I’m sorry but almost no men go on wild shooting rampages if they have a beautiful female in their keep.
In their keep?! Also, no. Charles Manson was surrounded by beautiful young women. Yet he orchestrated multiple grisly murders.
The only guys that do so are bank robbers and thieves, generally guys at a later stage of life more fixated on money.
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Human beings naturally assess the amount of sex going around them and judge themselves in relationship to the amount and type of sex others are getting.
You know, you can’t actually tell how much and what kind of sex someone is having just by looking at them. Yes, there will always be people in the world having more sex with you. And some of these people are having sex with people you would probably like to have sex with. There are also people who are smarter than you, funnier than you, who can play chess or kickbox better than you, who have hundreds or thousands of times more money than you do.
That’s life. Life isn’t fair.
This makes sense because from a reproductive standpoint sex is coveted, and sex with beautiful thin, young women are the most coveted. Being the first to spoil these young women sexually is viewed reproductively as a guarantee of parentage, thus this is why males instinctively covet and burn with passion for these females.
Ah, yes, it was only a matter of time until the creepy pedo-justifying Evo Psych assfacts made their appearance. Not all men “burn with passion” in their pants for virginal high school girls.
This is why we have “morality” which is in its essence is a promise not to flaunt or indulge in sex moreso than the lowest man or woman in your tribe. This is what is meant when people say “morality went out the window.” They mean someone with more sexual prowess is openly indulging in sex and broadcasting it to stimulate the jealousy of the underclasses.
I’m pretty sure that’s not what people mean when they say “morality went out the window.”
This teen killed people cause he thought that beautiful girls were out of reach. The high school environment merely rubbed it in his face. Yes drugs to treat ADD might’ve eroded many of the impulse control functions in the teen, but the rage against the high school was still the gasoline.
[citation needed]
He might’ve had a picture or two taken with a girl next to him, but oftentimes those high school girls lie and simply eat up the male’s offerings without granting sexual access, but grant it to a random stud.
How dare young women choose who to have sex with, and who not to!
I’m not saying the girl he killed deserved it, it’s only that when you are in that frame of mind you cannot tell who is having more sex than others and you simply fill in the gaps with rage.
Wait, so if she had turned him down he would have been justified in killing her?
The beautiful girl simply represented everything that the teen couldn’t get. The steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.
Yeah, I think you’re confusing high school with porn again. His rampage lasted roughly a minute and a half. He shot her because she was there.
All the other theories posted on this site seem comical, self-righteous and weirdly off-point. It’s like you’re assessing the situation as an asexual senior citizen or righteous prude.
Not a lot of “prudes” here. Just people who find the “women need to have sex with ‘nice guys’ or these ‘nice gys’ will kill you all” to be a somewhat problematic argument.
Generally men want sex with young thin beauties who validate their existence.
Some men do. But most men, among those who are sexually attracted to women, aren’t as neurotically fixated on this small slice of the female demographic – women in their teens and early twenties who are somehow both virginal and sexually “wild” – as manosphere men seem to be. And most people don’t base their entire self-worth on whether or not they’re having sex with beautiful people.
Some men prefer women older than them. Some like women who are fat. Plenty of men don’t fixate on a particular physical type and are attracted to all sorts of different women. Believe it or not, whogoesthere, there are lots of men who are more interested in what’s in a woman’s head than they are in whether or not she matches up with some particular checklist of physical attributes.
If society removes all of the social pathways to attaining such a beauty, such as making prostitution illegal, increasing shame for men who seek sex, rewarding females and males called manginas who identify and mock the sex seekers and so on… this will lead to depression in men and all of the behaviors surrounding it, including shootings. Sounds pretty much like a logical line of reasoning to me.
And that’s the problem. It’s not actually a logical line of reasoning at all. It’s more like a sort of blackmail.
Men don’t kill women because they can’t have “the steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.” Sometimes men kill women because they feel entitled to have sex with these “valuable young girls” and become bitter and enraged when they can’t find a “valuable young girl” who agrees with them on this particular point.
It’s not the lack of “sexual access” that’s the problem. It’s the notion that your desire for “sexual access” means more than the right of that person to say “no.” It’s the notion that society has done you wrong because you can’t (at least at the moment) get laid. It’s the idea that your desire to have sex with a particular kind of woman somehow trumps the right of other people to live.
I mean, what the fucking fuck.
Oh, by the way, there’s no evidence that the shooter in question – Karl Halverson Pierson – was motivated by sexual frustration. His intended target was the school librarian, who is also the school’s debate coach. Pierson was obsessed with debate, and had some sort of grudge against the coach.
@cassandrakitty – It seems more to me like a kind of alpha-male thing. “I’m the better man, all the girls should like ME. I mean, I’m clearly not the better man, but I think he did something bad! So that makes me better! Girls, like ME best! I order you!” It reminds me of the other day when we were having a nice discussion of the freakish beauty of young Stalin, and he kept insisting “He was ugly! Short! Bad arm!” Can’t have any lady-type person admiring another male-type person, y’know.
Of course, he could also be a sock. I’m a newbie, so I’ll have to bow to your wisdom on that one 🙂
We’ve had multiple dudebros go after pecunium in particular before, is the thing. (And me – like I said, we seem to be irresistible rage targets for a certain kind of angry young man.) So this could be one of them returning yet again, or could be just the irresistible rage target thing kicking in.
Bit odd why they fixate on you two. Do you radiate some sort of… anti dudebro waves?
I’m kind of offended that Pecunium’s multiple partners are apparently obvious lies, while mine go unremarked. Why don’t I get a turn?
My best guess is that he thinks I’m a girl, so obviously I don’t count. Or because I’m queer. And we already know that bi and pan people are just so open-minded about what hotness is.
Also he assumes that women can get laid at the drop of a hat/underpants, so a woman claiming to have multiple sexual partners is not a threat to his belief system, whereas a man who’s not a raging misogynist and misanthrope claiming the same thing is.
I haven’t been around enough to be able to distinguish socks from new trolls, but I still can’t shake the feeling that he is disingenuous, besides the noted inconsistencies in his comments.
I’m also really hoping he just goes the fuck away. I think we are at just one flounce but he already blew that.
@duckbunny
We already know that women don’t count because they can have sex whenever they want and bi & pan people are so open their parts just fall onto or into anything available. /s
Or what cassandrakitty said.
but it’s kind of important to me that I’m not a girl 🙁
@Leah
“It was poverty. He was born poor, he was grew up poor, he was poor after his family emigrated here, and he was poor when he graduated high school. Not “dad-won’t-pay-for-college” poor. “Worked-odd-weekend-jobs-in-junior-high-to-help-Mom-make-rent” poor.” After he finished high school, his best option was the Army. The economy sucked in his hometown, and he didn’t have enough money to move.”
Same story than my late husband. The only thing I can add is that soldiers are civil servants, not mercenaries. What they do is in the end is decided by the public political will. We all share in the collective responsibility. Individually, a soldier is no more to blame than any civilian for any war, and much less than those who benefit from it and mislead the public on the real motivations.
@ duckbunny
I guess you’ll have to explain that to undfreeland, then, so he can respond to your comments with the ragespittle that they deserve.
(But he probably won’t, because like I said before, they always get especially pissy at pecunium, and this may not be this one’s first time at the rodeo.)
Flying Mouse, between sympathetic bacteria and you fainting from Mr FM’s uniformed splendour, I’m dying laughing here! XD
I was going to comment about the trollish fixation on cassandrakitty and pecunium, but everyone already said it better.
I’m sorry, I really wasn’t trying to minimize that aspect of your comment at all.
He has misgendered people throughout his comments based on his own assumptions and lack of an interest in finding out how people identify or want to be addressed.
@Flying Mouse *standing ovation* Beautifully said.
Yeah, he’s been pinging as a sock for a while. I fear I will never get direct attention from a chewtoy *swoons in the manner of an overwrought Victorian*
Wasn’t he assuming that Fibi was a woman at some point too? Not quite sure why, maybe it’s that rage against the misandrist schools that teach girls to have better verbal skills than boys or something.
@ Isabelle – Thanks 🙂 That was a much more succinct way of saying it.
::rushes in with fainting couch and smelling salts for duckbunny::
I’m crushed, crushed! that he hasn’t assumed I’m a dude because of my gravatar.
*pushes fainting couch under duckbunny, reaches for smelling salts*
Dang it kittehs! Ninja’d by the hive mind…
Yeah, FM.
You have been tearing it up this thread!
*doffs hat*
Fainting couch and smelling salts, we are well attuned to the hive mind today! ::high five::
Am I halucinating or did the troll just list all his sexual partners? Yep, that happened. Wow, no one cares dude. You’re as scintillating as a buzzing fluorescent light.
All this talk about hobbies reminds me of the list I made many years ago of all the stuff Mr K used to do in his kinging days – choreography, dance, composition, playing music, singing, painting, carpentry, metalwork, jewellery-making, horsemanship, sports, cartography, cooking – and being king was a lousy in-the-office-at-all-hours or leading armies job in those days (he enjoyed the armies bit much more than the office work). That’s on top of chronic and more than once life-threatening ill health.
Undieboy would disappear in a cloud of whining if he had that many demands on his time. Having interests on top of that – inconceivable!
Wow, that notch count was all kinds of skeevy.
I’ve had one partner. That’s what I wanted.
Huh… the WHY DO YOU LIKE PECUNIUM! HE’S EVIL! LOOK AT ME, GREAT FEMINIST ALLY does look really familiar.
Erin? Is that you?
(Yeah, defaulting to the recent troll, but the But why are you giving him a pass and not meeeee!! whine is really Erin-y.
Also, “chicks” coming out of the woodwork as soon as he got called out.
Although, he hasn’t quite started the ‘bleeping bleeps’ yet. So, it might not be Erin, best feminist evar, of the short fuse.