Sometimes I hunt the misogyny, sometimes it wanders up right up to me and says hello.
Today’s post is an example of the latter. Below, a slightly edited comment that someone left for me this morning. It’s a response to a post of mine about a dreadful post on Return of Kings in which a fellow calling himself Billy Chubbs argued, with absolutely no evidence, that a recent high school shooter was driven to murder because of his “probable sexual frustration,” Chubbs went on to argue that young women are “selfish” because they don’t have sex with guys they’re not attracted to.
Anyway, my new commenter – posting under the name “whogoesthere?” – thinks that I and the other commenters here were being too hard on Chubbs’ “very good argument.” And so he deposited this giant rant, which in many ways is even scarier than Chubbs’ original.
He’s a tad verbose, so I’ve trimmed out some stuff that isn’t relevant to his general, er, thesis. And I’ve also taken the liberty of adding a few paragraph breaks and bolding a few of the best (i.e. worst) bits.
When men don’t get the women they want they turn to violence.
Not a good start here, because this just isn’t true. In this case, the phrase “not all men” is, for once, appropriate. Most men don’t get violent when they’re turned down.
This is established all over the animal kingdom and offers a good example about how it applies to humans, that snotty girls who keep their sexual treasures to all but a few males cause the remaining males to snap. …
Animals do all sorts of things that humans don’t do, and we can’t always learn from their behavior or assume that it relates to our own lives.
Or maybe the Evo Psych crew is just looking at the wrong animals. When banana slugs can’t find a partner to have sex with, they simply fertilize themselves. There’s a lesson here, I think, for the angry incels of the world: you can’t always get what you want, and when you can’t, sex with yourself is better than murder.
High school is a massively sexually charged winner take all environment. … Today’s high school is basically an ongoing audition for a porno video and the guys and girls who don’t make the cut can only sit at home and masturbate.
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It’s demeaning and hits a major blow to a person’s sexual identity to not be invited to frolic with the beautiful people.
Somehow most people, regardless of gender, manage to survive even if they’re not frolicking with Charlize Theron and/or Channing Tatum.
I’m sorry but almost no men go on wild shooting rampages if they have a beautiful female in their keep.
In their keep?! Also, no. Charles Manson was surrounded by beautiful young women. Yet he orchestrated multiple grisly murders.
The only guys that do so are bank robbers and thieves, generally guys at a later stage of life more fixated on money.
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Human beings naturally assess the amount of sex going around them and judge themselves in relationship to the amount and type of sex others are getting.
You know, you can’t actually tell how much and what kind of sex someone is having just by looking at them. Yes, there will always be people in the world having more sex with you. And some of these people are having sex with people you would probably like to have sex with. There are also people who are smarter than you, funnier than you, who can play chess or kickbox better than you, who have hundreds or thousands of times more money than you do.
That’s life. Life isn’t fair.
This makes sense because from a reproductive standpoint sex is coveted, and sex with beautiful thin, young women are the most coveted. Being the first to spoil these young women sexually is viewed reproductively as a guarantee of parentage, thus this is why males instinctively covet and burn with passion for these females.
Ah, yes, it was only a matter of time until the creepy pedo-justifying Evo Psych assfacts made their appearance. Not all men “burn with passion” in their pants for virginal high school girls.
This is why we have “morality” which is in its essence is a promise not to flaunt or indulge in sex moreso than the lowest man or woman in your tribe. This is what is meant when people say “morality went out the window.” They mean someone with more sexual prowess is openly indulging in sex and broadcasting it to stimulate the jealousy of the underclasses.
I’m pretty sure that’s not what people mean when they say “morality went out the window.”
This teen killed people cause he thought that beautiful girls were out of reach. The high school environment merely rubbed it in his face. Yes drugs to treat ADD might’ve eroded many of the impulse control functions in the teen, but the rage against the high school was still the gasoline.
[citation needed]
He might’ve had a picture or two taken with a girl next to him, but oftentimes those high school girls lie and simply eat up the male’s offerings without granting sexual access, but grant it to a random stud.
How dare young women choose who to have sex with, and who not to!
I’m not saying the girl he killed deserved it, it’s only that when you are in that frame of mind you cannot tell who is having more sex than others and you simply fill in the gaps with rage.
Wait, so if she had turned him down he would have been justified in killing her?
The beautiful girl simply represented everything that the teen couldn’t get. The steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.
Yeah, I think you’re confusing high school with porn again. His rampage lasted roughly a minute and a half. He shot her because she was there.
All the other theories posted on this site seem comical, self-righteous and weirdly off-point. It’s like you’re assessing the situation as an asexual senior citizen or righteous prude.
Not a lot of “prudes” here. Just people who find the “women need to have sex with ‘nice guys’ or these ‘nice gys’ will kill you all” to be a somewhat problematic argument.
Generally men want sex with young thin beauties who validate their existence.
Some men do. But most men, among those who are sexually attracted to women, aren’t as neurotically fixated on this small slice of the female demographic – women in their teens and early twenties who are somehow both virginal and sexually “wild” – as manosphere men seem to be. And most people don’t base their entire self-worth on whether or not they’re having sex with beautiful people.
Some men prefer women older than them. Some like women who are fat. Plenty of men don’t fixate on a particular physical type and are attracted to all sorts of different women. Believe it or not, whogoesthere, there are lots of men who are more interested in what’s in a woman’s head than they are in whether or not she matches up with some particular checklist of physical attributes.
If society removes all of the social pathways to attaining such a beauty, such as making prostitution illegal, increasing shame for men who seek sex, rewarding females and males called manginas who identify and mock the sex seekers and so on… this will lead to depression in men and all of the behaviors surrounding it, including shootings. Sounds pretty much like a logical line of reasoning to me.
And that’s the problem. It’s not actually a logical line of reasoning at all. It’s more like a sort of blackmail.
Men don’t kill women because they can’t have “the steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.” Sometimes men kill women because they feel entitled to have sex with these “valuable young girls” and become bitter and enraged when they can’t find a “valuable young girl” who agrees with them on this particular point.
It’s not the lack of “sexual access” that’s the problem. It’s the notion that your desire for “sexual access” means more than the right of that person to say “no.” It’s the notion that society has done you wrong because you can’t (at least at the moment) get laid. It’s the idea that your desire to have sex with a particular kind of woman somehow trumps the right of other people to live.
I mean, what the fucking fuck.
Oh, by the way, there’s no evidence that the shooter in question – Karl Halverson Pierson – was motivated by sexual frustration. His intended target was the school librarian, who is also the school’s debate coach. Pierson was obsessed with debate, and had some sort of grudge against the coach.
CassandraKitty: Her youtube channel is already quite the freakshow, just imagine when rich, 40-year old Unfreeland joins the fray and they start to make homevidoes about their perfect “love” life. Holy crap. Better hope they don’t get any children.
katz: OT: Does anyone know any funny idioms for “Why are you acting so irritable?” Like “panties in a twist” but preferably something ungendered.
What’s got up your nose?
Who pissed in your Wheaties?
Who put the wild hare up your ass?
“Who rattled your cage” is my favorite.
katz: Now THAT is the hive mind at work! This is exactly the sort of thing I’m looking for. (Although I don’t think Russians eat a lot of breakfast cereal…”Who pissed on your pancakes” doesn’t work quite as well…)
Kasha (a sort of buckwheat groat/porridge) is a breakfast staple.
I’ll go digging through my collection of russian aphorisms tomorrow and see if I can find some for you (and I need to send you Mme Pecunium’s sisters work email).
I suppose, “who shat in your peanut butter?”, could work.
katz, I don’t know that experiment – it sounds interesting.
But underpantsonhishead doesn’t even bother to work out that there are plenty of women who also eschew bright and shiny new things.
Need furniture. Ever heard of ‘shabby chic’? I’ve even seen some apparently fashionable versions of those lotsa bricks, several floorboards sets of shelves we used to have in the 70s when we needed display or book storage spaces – that would also dismantle and move easily to a new flat or house. Equally, the 70s obsession with batik and similar rugs and throws to cover up the tatty upholstery on the couch you filched from the kerbside. There are “rich peasant” versions of these styles, but there’s no harm in the real, penny-pinching thing.
Want clothes, accessories, curtains, household stuff. Go to op shops and recycle places. I’ll admit that op shopping is very time consuming – if you want to buy most of your stuff there you have to go quite often because you can never be sure whether or when the stuff you want will be available. One of my daughters wears only designer clothes and she buys only second hand. Costs only $30 or so for a dress but it also costs repeated – and repeated and repeated – visits when there’s nothing at all she wants to buy that also fits her.
There are also lots of women who like neat, no fuss – maybe even minimalist – surroundings.
Not only does und not know how to talk to women, he doesn’t even know how to imagine a woman who has the kinds of preferences and attitudes that he might like to share living space with.
What’re the odds he’d resent a woman being in the same space anyway, unless she was adoring/fellating him full-time? He’d fail even if he found someone with the same attitudes he has. She’d be expecting him to worship her, not spend her money, etc, etc.
That could actually be quite a funny script. What a lot of fail.
In Finland we might say, “Don’t inhale a pea”.
Kittenserf, congrats on birthday. Did you say it’s officially on Saturday? Is it already Saturday in Australia, or is it still like Thursday in Alaska? Or was it half a year ago, because Southern hemisphere?
Every time I’ve heard und talking about feminism, he’s reminded me of this:
I am aware of all internet traditions
Just change out the word “internet” for “feminist”.
My question is, what’s und trying to distract us from? Anything interesting happening in the manosphere that we might be missing while batting the chew toy around? (other than the obvious, the AVfMisogynists conference that we’ll hear about soon enough)
It’s Friday evening here.
So kittehs can look forward to indulging herself with preferred cake-lollies-cat-toys tomorrow.
@pecunium, no contradiction in my definition of bliss. A month hardly meets the standard of a long period of time that I set, and her habit of “marking” me in ways I would have to make up excuses for during the Sadi-masochistic stuff she enjoyed hardly meet the standard of uncomplicated that I set.
@mildlymagnificient, it’s not that I can’t imagine such a women existing, just one that’s attractive enough for me to want to co-habitate with.
Attractive women tend to be conservative and have typically materialistic attitudes. The typical scripts that media and culture provide work out to well for them. They’ve no reason to question them.
I am, sure, however that they’re are plenty of unattractive women that share my ideas about materialism and thrift, but, well, they’re unattractive. :/
And how can you know that und, given all people are unknowable?
Snork. I’ve lived in LA, NY, and San Francisco. Each of these cities is lousy with hot babes of the liberal persuasion.*
Und really don’t seem to know very much about anything, most especially topics he has strong opinions on. Here’s some reading that may be useful: https://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~suh/metacognition.pdf
* und, this is in no way a suggestion that you should visit any of these cities, much less live in them.
I think I’m attracted to abusers. Must be daddy issues. There was the last guy I dated, who was very much resigned to a cycle of abuse he was in denial about. I’ve spent the last two nights watching documentaries about domestic terrorists and I find myself really attracted to the Unabomber.
Stefan Molyneux was right. 🙁
I’ve got an idea! Everyone put forward a short factoid that is more interesting then undfreeland’s crap.
I’ll start: Ray Bradbury and Ray Harryhausen were lifelong friends. Harryhausen’s film “The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms” as billed as being based on a Bradbury short story, but in fact the only similarities were the title and use of a sea monster as antagonist. The studio was already working on their film when Bradbury’s story was published, so they bought the rights in order to keep the title.
Attractive to you. Those two factors would turn me right off from the start.
Oh, sorry, I forgot that “attractive” is an entirely visual concept. Silly me.
Fun Fact: most birds can see UV light. Consider how much pleasure most of us derive from color, and imaginative how much more beautiful the world would look with a wider palette. Sunsets and rainbows would be even more gorgeous.
And it would be way easier to know when to put on sunscreen.
Actually, I have it from a good friend that that the lady in the videos really is just a very dedicated troll. I’d like to say it’s comforting to know that people really can’t be that dumb, but then we have undy here. Seriously, dude, with all the excuses you make to avoid things that might actually make you happy, I can only conclude that you enjoy being as miserable as you are.
Thanks, Arctic Ape! LOL about the hemisphere.Hmm, I could get a few birthdays this way.
It’s Saturday, which is tomorrow here (it’s 9.30pm Friday now). We’re ahead of the Americas and Europe date-wise.
Fun dog fact: In Roman times, mastiffs were trained and used in combat.
I’ve met hemmorhoids more interesting than a lot of our trolls.
It requires no makeup, skin creams, tanning appointments, teeth whitening, gym memberships, hair products, fashionable apparel, or spa services to attain the air-brushed, close-up ready perfection that is demanded of beautiful women in mainstream American culture. If you are gorgeous, it is a gift from the bounties. Therefore, attractive women hold up the conservative consumerist status quo that allows them to buy nothing and do nothing. Unattractive women are also unattractive by cruel chance of birth. There is no such thing as punching up your looks with some well-placed cosmetics, makeup merely sinks into the skin and has no affect if you’re not already stunning. Thus, they embrace frugal and sustainable lives. But who cares since they don’t look like a nineteen-year-old Jenna Jameson at all times.
In a completely unrelated vein, the fact that most of the attractive women in und’s area are conservative is *not* a feature of local demographics (assuming he’s somewhere in the Southern U.S., where the majority of people in general lean right politically and socially). All women everywhere are like the women und has personally met.
Whereas in Canada, it’s a gift from the Mounties.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist!)
Happy Birthday, kittehs! 😀